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2015/06/20 22:45:51
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
I bought an M3 Lee for converting into a Malcador.
it would have worked IMHO but i never got around to it.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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2015/06/22 18:54:56
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
sing your life wrote: It's not coming in august... DML first released their Morser kit back in about 2003, they're just casting up some new copies of the kit in august.
Yeah but that's being a bit pedantic no? It's been OOP for a while.
BrookM wrote: 1:35 is all too big damn it! We need more 1:48 kits.
Don't. ...Just don't. Every day I go into a model shop I look at the 1/35th scale section which covers an entire wall and has anything any everything. I then look at the single shelf of 1/48th scale kits, the majority of which are WWII German stuff.
If you want something in 1/48th, and it isn't German tanks, then well you're stuck. There's the odd diecast out there, but its difficult to find what you want. and the quality and scale varies There's wargaming miniatures too, though again those are mostly geared to WWII vehicles and typically are only the well known ones (you wouldn't see most of the stuff posted in this thread...). Don't talk to me about finding modern vehicles...
Partly that's due to 1/35th seemingly being the scale of choice for modelers (read: not wargamers). Even mention in a model shop that you're using that 1/48th kit you found for wargaming and the staff turn their noses up at you. What niche 1/48th kits you do find typically are limited run resin ones which cost as much as GW tanks (which considering you can pick up 1 /48th scale Sherman for £10 is saying something). =P
...Yes, the subject does rub me a bit in the wrong way.
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2015/06/30 20:08:01
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
BrookM wrote: 1:35 is all too big damn it! We need more 1:48 kits.
Don't. ...Just don't. Every day I go into a model shop I look at the 1/35th scale section which covers an entire wall and has anything any everything. I then look at the single shelf of 1/48th scale kits, the majority of which are WWII German stuff.
If you want something in 1/48th, and it isn't German tanks, then well you're stuck. There's the odd diecast out there, but its difficult to find what you want. and the quality and scale varies There's wargaming miniatures too, though again those are mostly geared to WWII vehicles and typically are only the well known ones (you wouldn't see most of the stuff posted in this thread...). Don't talk to me about finding modern vehicles...
Partly that's due to 1/35th seemingly being the scale of choice for modelers (read: not wargamers). Even mention in a model shop that you're using that 1/48th kit you found for wargaming and the staff turn their noses up at you. What niche 1/48th kits you do find typically are limited run resin ones which cost as much as GW tanks (which considering you can pick up 1 /48th scale Sherman for £10 is saying something). =P
...Yes, the subject does rub me a bit in the wrong way.
You're doing it wrong.
1/43 is where it's at. I frequently go to Rite-Aid and buy $4-$5 die cast cars (i have a pretty big collection). Empress Miniatures has vehicles in this scale (1/43 or 1/48.. whatever, it's for 28mm gaming). Airfix has some but there are mixed reviews and there are a TON of aircraft in the right scale.
Since this is about 40k, you could very easily get 1/48 choppers for Valkyries or whatever, M113s or Humvees for transports.. or Bradleys even. M1 Abrams or Challengers are available in this scale too.. There are a few companies offering "technicals" and again Empress has some wheeled vehicles that would work as a Taurox or similar.
The problem is, the more modern vehicles for combat don't follow the same combat philosophy as the WW2 tanks that so much of 40k tanks are based on, so finding suitable analogs is tricky. Visit Amazon and ebay and try searches for 1/43, 1/48, and 1/56 (I think that's the other 28mm scale). There is a lot out there.
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^^ I use the models for their original purposes actually seeing as I only play modern games. Aye when I day 1/48th that's the scale that the plastic kits come in, most die casts are either 1/43rd or 1/50th (though frankly they're made in whatever size will fit inside the packaging).
Heh, and don't talk to me about fething planes... Saying that though you're screwed if you want a drone in that scale oddly, but put that down to the wing span ...somehow.
2015/06/30 23:36:56
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Wyrmalla wrote: ^^ I use the models for their original purposes actually seeing as I only play modern games. Aye when I day 1/48th that's the scale that the plastic kits come in, most die casts are either 1/43rd or 1/50th (though frankly they're made in whatever size will fit inside the packaging).
Heh, and don't talk to me about fething planes... Saying that though you're screwed if you want a drone in that scale oddly, but put that down to the wing span ...somehow.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I think 1:35 is okay especially for space marines, the 1:48 scale hatches don't even allow a shoulder pad to go through.
Space Marines are pretty bulky so I would think it'd look a little better.. in some instances.
More and more I'm using less and less heroic scale, and even the ones I am using are nowhere near as exaggerated as GW models. Jehan to me it's like glasses.. once you switch over you're like "oh.. ohhhh.. how did I not see this" because your eyes have been trained to look at horrible proportions and clown shoes and believe that it's normal.
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cuda1179 wrote: I think that a 1/48 Osprey would look good as a Valkyrie, especially if you replace the rotors with jet engines or something.
A 1/48 Osprey is a really large model. Yes, it would absolutely work.. but it's big.. possibly on the waybig side.
The Mi-24 Hind is a good size, so are Blackhawks and Hueys. I bought this Jolly Green Giant super 53.. that thing is huge. It actually comes with a jeep and field artillery that fits inside it.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I think 1:35 is okay especially for space marines, the 1:48 scale hatches don't even allow a shoulder pad to go through.
Space Marines are pretty bulky so I would think it'd look a little better.. in some instances.
More and more I'm using less and less heroic scale, and even the ones I am using are nowhere near as exaggerated as GW models. Jehan to me it's like glasses.. once you switch over you're like "oh.. ohhhh.. how did I not see this" because your eyes have been trained to look at horrible proportions and clown shoes and believe that it's normal.
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cuda1179 wrote: I think that a 1/48 Osprey would look good as a Valkyrie, especially if you replace the rotors with jet engines or something.
A 1/48 Osprey is a really large model. Yes, it would absolutely work.. but it's big.. possibly on the waybig side.
The Mi-24 Hind is a good size, so are Blackhawks and Hueys. I bought this Jolly Green Giant super 53.. that thing is huge. It actually comes with a jeep and field artillery that fits inside it.
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BrookM wrote: 1:35 is all too big damn it! We need more 1:48 kits.
Don't. ...Just don't. Every day I go into a model shop I look at the 1/35th scale section which covers an entire wall and has anything any everything. I then look at the single shelf of 1/48th scale kits, the majority of which are WWII German stuff.
Haven't you heard? Germans are the Space Marines of the military modelling world.
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2015/07/01 08:55:59
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
sing your life wrote: It's not coming in august... DML first released their Morser kit back in about 2003, they're just casting up some new copies of the kit in august.
Yeah but that's being a bit pedantic no? It's been OOP for a while.
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
It's also looks lazy in my eyes, just slapping a heavy bolter or sticking a space marine into the cupola and calling it a Reichstag pattern Leman Russ or Bill-Hilly pattern ATV.
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2015/07/01 17:41:14
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
BrookM wrote: It's also looks lazy in my eyes, just slapping a heavy bolter or sticking a space marine into the cupola and calling it a Reichstag pattern Leman Russ or Bill-Hilly pattern ATV.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The whole idea of this thread is historical kits for 40k.. Which, for me, I extend that to all non-wargaming kits for any 28mm gaming. There are some GW guns that I do use for vehicles due to their size but largely I try to find things that are similar.. like a HMG for a heavy bolter or an anti-material rifle or maybe some light field artillery for an autocannon, etc.
BrookM wrote: $150 isn't a lot for a big kit like that.
Though I'm sure it won't live up to the standards of the serious modellers.
Coming from Dragon it certainly should live up to those standards. Their kits are highly detailed. I just can't imagine trying to find a space to display that monster. Hahahahaha
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BrookM wrote: It's also looks lazy in my eyes, just slapping a heavy bolter or sticking a space marine into the cupola and calling it a Reichstag pattern Leman Russ or Bill-Hilly pattern ATV.
Except it isn't lazy. Most 1/35 scale kits will have multiple times the parts than the GW tank kit they are being used to replace and take much longer to build, so it is a much bigger investment. I will add 40k parts in to some kits and all, but the primary reason I am using a sherman tank instead of a leman russ is because I specifically want it to look like a sherman tank and not a leman russ. So what you are calling lazy I am calling exactly what I want and the reason I am using a different kit to begin with.
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2015/07/01 19:05:22
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
Modern Vehicles don't fit in the 40K universe if you use WW1/2 vehicles then 1:35 work well in 40K Bolt action vs stormtrooper
I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
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I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
The Tadpole variant is a little long. I use three Regular variants of the mark IV tank as Land Raiders in my armies. Dreadnought Lascannons work great in the sponsons. If you want Hurricane bolter Sponsons the Hurricane bolters from the Storm Raven fit perfectly.
2015/07/02 01:58:56
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
Modern Vehicles don't fit in the 40K universe if you use WW1/2 vehicles then 1:35 work well in 40K Bolt action vs stormtrooper
I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
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Look.. that's your opinion.. cool. I have mine.. I wish people would stop trying to tell everyone else how wrong they are :/ I don't like that look and I don't think 1/43 or 1/48 look undersized. We have different opinions. Easy Peesy
EDIT: And those two models might look different but A) the GW model is on a taller base and B)in person that difference is like.. a mm if that.
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Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
Modern Vehicles don't fit in the 40K universe if you use WW1/2 vehicles then 1:35 work well in 40K Bolt action vs stormtrooper
I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
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Look.. that's your opinion.. cool. I have mine.. I wish people would stop trying to tell everyone else how wrong they are :/ I don't like that look and I don't think 1/43 or 1/48 look undersized. We have different opinions. Easy Peesy
EDIT: And those two models might look different but A) the GW model is on a taller base and B)in person that difference is like.. a mm if that.
Guess what sharing your opinions is what Forums are for, I wish people would not have different opinions than my own How about not taking every opinion that does not agree with you as a personal attack?
You could use Lego tanks if you want, but i would still voice my opinion on it.
So chill, it was just my thoughts on it.
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