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does kharne still deny on 2 up in 7th if so how does this work is it on all dice or just one can some one site some rules or faq lines for this please

Kharn's DTW attempts succeed on of 2+. Nothing about it changes how 7ed DTW works.

An faq isn't needed as it's quite clear. Kharn Denys on a 2+ if his unit is the target of the psychic power. If his unit is not the target of the power, it's the standard 6+

ok thank you

that's not entirely cut and dry.

there is an argument to say that kharn can dtw on all tests that don't target another friendly squad.
the rule book says to pick a squad for dtw, one could always claim that kharnes squad is chosen.

i don't think it's a valid argument, but the argument is there.
devils advocate.

 zachwho wrote:
that's not entirely cut and dry.

there is an argument to say that kharn can dtw on all tests that don't target another friendly squad.
the rule book says to pick a squad for dtw, one could always claim that kharnes squad is chosen.

i don't think it's a valid argument, but the argument is there.
devils advocate.

This applies to Kharne ""To make a Deny the Witch test, first select one of your units that was a target[u] of the enemy’s psychic power."" If he was the target of the spell its a 2+

This applies to others - ""If none of your units were the target of the enemy’s psychic power (the power in question might have been a blessing, a conjuration, or some other power that only affects the Psyker’s own troops) you can still attempt to Deny the Witch. To do so, follow the same process, but apply no modifiers to your dice rolls"" -- Kharne was not the target, therefore his modifiers cannot be used.

it can also be argued that a replacement value is not a modifier.

I'm not adding or subtracting from the natural dtw roll of 6.

kharn has a dtw of 2+, period, he's not modifying anything.

like i said, there's an argument to be made.

devils advocate.

Set modifiers are a modifier.

yeah well that's true, he's modifying the dtw roll by making it a 2+. like i said not really a valid argument!

 zachwho wrote:
yeah well that's true, he's modifying the dtw roll by making it a 2+. like i said not really a valid argument!

Ah no, you said there was an argument, you never stated it wasn't valid.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 zachwho wrote:
yeah well that's true, he's modifying the dtw roll by making it a 2+. like i said not really a valid argument!

Ah no, you said there was an argument, you never stated it wasn't valid.

Um, yes he did.

Well there is no argument because the rules are explicit.

danny1995 wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 zachwho wrote:
yeah well that's true, he's modifying the dtw roll by making it a 2+. like i said not really a valid argument!

Ah no, you said there was an argument, you never stated it wasn't valid.

Um, yes he did.

The DTW on 2+ not being a modifier was not stated as not being valid

 zachwho wrote:
there is an argument to say that kharn can dtw on all tests that don't target another friendly squad..

There really isn't.

No modifiers on DtW if it doesn't target a unit.

we've established that.

And to reinforce things... it doesn't matter if a set change is a modifier or not... since unless Karn (or his unit) is the target of the spell, HE is not denying the witch, therefor his ability can't be triggered. Same things with powers like the witch eater ability, which doesn't effect the DtW roll but has a result if the unit with that power successfully denied. (causing perils on the psyker that attempted to cast a power they denied). Still would not have an effect since no individual unit made the DtW check.