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Cool, I've never heard of these guys, sad they left gw but surprised they had their own website.

I know this is a weird question, but are those models they make, specifically the horses, compatible size wise with 40k? I want to make some orks on horses, don't care if they look stupid, but I have an idea.

Specifically these horses:https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_63&products_id=2756&osCsid=dt3lfbb0pj08qd5qc8cnl3qv23

£3 for a sprue of horses to try them out?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
£3 for a sprue of horses to try them out?

Indeed. £3 is worth the risk.

Though I do believe they're more LOTR scale, as shown in this plog on Warseer. Which, admittedly has the ACW ones, but I imagine they'd be the same scale.

The Perry Bros historicals are fairly realistic in their proportions.

Ok cool. Yeah they are cheap just wanted know know if anyone has them. I need to figure out what base sizes that guy has put them on, if they are 40mm then this might just work....

Very interested to see where this leads. The Perry brothers are true talent and as long as they aren't quitting GW to have more time to kick back (not that they don't deserve it) I think we can expect to see good stuff on the horizon.

This is purely wishful thinking - I wouldn't be surprised if they have a no-compete clause that will keep them out of sci-fantasy for a while- but I would love to see something fantasy related from Perry Miniatures in the future.

Grarg wrote:

I know this is a weird question, but are those models they make, specifically the horses, compatible size wise with 40k? I want to make some orks on horses, don't care if they look stupid, but I have an idea.

Specifically these horses:https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_63&products_id=2756&osCsid=dt3lfbb0pj08qd5qc8cnl3qv23

Most likely they would not be compatible. Perry Horses are smaller than GW horses and GW orks are much bigger than Perry humans.

Perry miniatures are what is known as True-scale 28mm. This means that they are 28mm from sole of foot to eyeline and that they are close to realistic proportions. Current GW minis are called heroic 28mm (but many are closer to 30mm) so their proportions are going to be much thicker than Perry.

Still, if you don't care if it looks stupid, (nothing stupid about big orks on little ponies….) it would give you horses to put orks on.

Sweet, thanks for the info. I never knew there was a difference between heroic and true scale. Yeah I had envisioned orks on donkeys, so ponies might be even more crazier.

Grarg wrote:
I want to make some orks on horses, don't care if they look stupid, but I have an idea.

You could also try the WGF horses. The plain ones have no tack but if you're going ork I'm guessing you want to do some DYI anyway.

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/horse-sprue-bundle
Or:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/webstore/individual-sprues-and-bases/s008-ancient-horses

The basic horses paint up pretty well, can't speak for the ancient ones but the samurai horses are not good. The basic horses with no tack are just fine.

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/Images/contest2012-mashup/winners/02/1st.jpg

Back to the thread more or less... I was a big proponent of the hand sculpt=better and more character right up until I received the Pulp Alley figures made by Statuesque. They're great, perfect amount of detail. The best digital-to-metal transition I've seen to date.

http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/p/8779930/pa001-phantom-ace-and-pulp-girl.html

Interesting development regarding the Perrys. Does anyone know if they (GW) have any hand/traditional sculptors left?

I imagine Jes Goodwin can still do hand sculpting, but I don't know how much he still does.

I'd say it's a huge loss that GW have lost the Perry bros, but I'm not really sure. The new guard of digital sculptors at GW have been doing some excellent work (as someone earlier in the thread said, most problems with new models were at the concept level, not the sculpting level) and with them, Jes Goodwin, and John Blanche still around doing conceptual work, there will continue to be good releases from GW. The Perry bros have only really been doing LotR/Hobbit stuff for the last decade and not much in the way of 40k or Fantasy, so their absence won't be seen by many folks in those lines.

Let's not forget the heaps and heaps of great work they've done, from the great Empire models from Fantasy to the legions of excellent IG models they've done. I'm proud of the Valhallan horde I have made up almost entirely of great old Perry sculpts. I can only hope this means either plastic sci fi troops from them (some plastic not-Valhallans would make my day) or they get to ramp up production on all their great historical ranges.

An interesting development, but as others have said, not one that bothers me. Now let's just hope that the Perrys can move beyond the 1980's-1990's style "percentage for postage" model and I'd be all over one of those WotR hosts.

But yes, more plastic ranges from them would be gold. WW2, Crusades...

Grarg wrote:
Sweet, thanks for the info. I never knew there was a difference between heroic and true scale. Yeah I had envisioned orks on donkeys, so ponies might be even more crazier.

Happy to help. The scale thing can get pretty convoluted, even more so when scale creep happens and you have figs being given a mm label that are actually even taller. Luckly there's alot of great folks here at Dakka who are willing to tell you how a given set of minis will compare in both height and girth.
All the best with your project. It sounds weird and wonderful.

The Perrys seemed to be sidelined into the LOTR miniatures only, so sadly parting ways with GW should not be a complete surprise.

GW are the best in the world we have ooops... had the best sculptors in the world

I can't wait to see what they come up with next.

Did they go for the golden handshake?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Perry Bros historicals are fairly realistic in their proportions.

All historical miniatures I know are true-scale. Not just Perry.

That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

 sing your life wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Perry Bros historicals are fairly realistic in their proportions.

All historical miniatures I know are true-scale. Not just Perry.

There are lots that are heroically proportioned, though - even if they're not the larger height-scale that GW is currently using.

PapaSoul wrote:That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

That model is my favourite of this month's release. I think it has so much character in it.

Azazelx wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Perry Bros historicals are fairly realistic in their proportions.

All historical miniatures I know are true-scale. Not just Perry.

There are lots that are heroically proportioned, though - even if they're not the larger height-scale that GW is currently using.

Some companies like Warlord make their historicals with quasi-heroic proportions, but I do not think anyone makes fully heroic historicals.

From the smaller manufacturers who primarily do metal you'll get things like these ones from SHQ:




While this sort of things used to be up my alley, now I prefer humans that look like humans

Those are some freaky looking Russians.

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

That's like saying the new Ork Painboy is plastic, and therefore all plastics are hideous. Nagash was an awful sculpt; are all metals or hand sculpted models bad? No, no they aren't. Good work can be done in any medium, as can bad work.

 Brother SRM wrote:

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

That's like saying the new Ork Painboy is plastic, and therefore all plastics are hideous.

A lot of plastic miniatures are traditional sculpted instead of CAD. Though the new painboy is officially a great miniature so his point is still kind of invalid.

sing your life wrote:
All historical miniatures I know are true-scale. Not just Perry.

Azazelx wrote:
There are lots that are heroically proportioned, though - even if they're not the larger height-scale that GW is currently using.

While true "true-scale" is nearly impossible to achieve in 28mm (wrists and guns are just to fragile at scale), Historical miniatures run the gamut from what we refer to as true scale, to chunky "Heroics". Perry happens to be closer to true scale, and also has done a very good job of keeping the proportions their plastics and metals very close. There are differences, but within limits most folks would find acceptable.

sing your life wrote:
Some companies like Warlord make their historicals with quasi-heroic proportions, but I do not think anyone makes fully heroic historicals.

I'm not sure "fully heroic" really exists, as who'se to say what companies figures are the chunky'est. Taking GW as a measuring stick for "heroic" I've not seen any historicals as chunky as Catachans, but there are a few lines that are as thick as Cadians. I think that TAG miniatures are close. For the more popular periods, you can find miniatures in virtually every permutation from True-to-Heroic.

frozenwastes wrote:From the smaller manufacturers who primarily do metal you'll get things like these ones from SHQ:

Spoiler:

While this sort of things used to be up my alley, now I prefer humans that look like humans

Most metal companies (especially those with older lines) are going to be a bit chunkier in general simply to keep the figures sturdy enough for the tabletop. True scale looks nice, but it's worthwhile to consider just how sturdy your miniatures need to be, especially when you're dealing with rank upon rank of pole arms or bayoneted rifles.

Here's a few pictures showing the diversity of historical miniatures. Mostly, but not all, compared to Perry
Borrowed from Lead Adventure http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=10500.0





Victrix metal. 2x Capitan miniatures lead, 2x Perry minaitures plastic

 sing your life wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

That's like saying the new Ork Painboy is plastic, and therefore all plastics are hideous.

A lot of plastic miniatures are traditional sculpted instead of CAD. Though the new painboy is officially a great miniature so his point is still kind of invalid.

Nope, it's terrible. The lack of detail? The smoothness? The ridiculous gurn on his stupid face? Or perhaps how stupid the grot on his back looks?

I really like a couple of the new ork characters, but I just can't get behind the Painboy.

Azazelx wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

There are lots that are heroically proportioned, though - even if they're not the larger height-scale that GW is currently using.

Some companies like Warlord make their historicals with quasi-heroic proportions, but I do not think anyone makes fully heroic historicals.

While I thought of Warlord as well, there's also Black Tree Designs/Harlequin, Renegade Miniatures, and no doubt others that are just as heroic as any GW model. Even if they're not as tall.


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 Brother SRM wrote:

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

That's like saying the new Ork Painboy is plastic, and therefore all plastics are hideous. Nagash was an awful sculpt; are all metals or hand sculpted models bad? No, no they aren't. Good work can be done in any medium, as can bad work.

Ding!

I think it has character and orky charm. It's the first 40k plastic character miniature I really like, having hated the previous ones based solely on the price.

 Eilif wrote:

I'm not sure "fully heroic" really exists, as who'se to say what companies figures are the chunky'est. Taking GW as a measuring stick for "heroic" I've not seen any historicals as chunky as Catachans, but there are a few lines that are as thick as Cadians. I think that TAG miniatures are close. For the more popular periods, you can find miniatures in virtually every permutation from True-to-Heroic.

Catachans are cartoonish outliers though - even for GW's "heroic". The Catachan plastics doubly so.

The plastic Chatachan miniatures literally look like they've replaced all their food with steroids.

PapaSoul wrote:
That new Ork Painboy is a CaD model. And that thing is hideous

Every plastic GW model released in the last 10 years is a CAD model. Tech has nothing to do with the quality of the sculpt.