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So apparently, according to Frothers, the Perry's left their job at GW this week. No official details about wether the split was amicable or not are available.

Ooh, interesting.

Well, they do run their own really successful business anyway, perhaps the day job just became unnecessary or too time-consuming on top of all their other work?

If it means more releases for their own miniature lines, this is definitely a good thing!

I heard that their salary was around £90k, so you can see why they stayed as long as they did despite running a business alongside.

They did some amazing work when left to their own devices at GW, kits like the Mordheim militia were amazing and their work on the LotR line was just plain brilliant, without them it wouldn't have looked anywhere near as good.

Interesting. Anyone know what sculpts they worked on on the recent releases, I can't think of any they put their name to. I know they worked on most of the LOTR/Hobbit stuff, but none of that has been released in months.

^ They did the new black knights/ hexwraiths, thats all I can remember off-hand.

Oh, wow. That's not good news for GW. I doubt we'll hear much about why they left, but I hope they continue to produce their own ranges!

Edit: Any chance of a link to the Frothers thread?

This is not good news for LOTR fans.

I often wondered how they were able to have a day job at GW and their own miniatures business.

Take a look at this item from their online store, look at the price, and consider what you would get for the same cost from GW.

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=66_68&products_id=2841&osCsid=dt3lfbb0pj08qd5qc8cnl3qv23

 techsoldaten wrote:

Take a look at this item from their online store, look at the price, and consider what you would get for the same cost from GW.

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=66_68&products_id=2841&osCsid=dt3lfbb0pj08qd5qc8cnl3qv23

Close to 300 models... At least £1000

I thought they were freelancing for GW anyway rather than actually employed.

Well, that just means their Hundred Years War models will be coming out faster, I hope! I'm a huge fan of their plastics.

Can anyone tell me the sclupts they have done for GW aside from LotR/Hobbit stuff?

It could be that the LotR stuff is now done, seeing as a lot of the kits are made well in advance, so perhaps with that out of the way they decided to call it quits after many years and solely focus on their own company and the tank they own.

I'm with Brook. They've finished with the last batch of Hobbit minis and are walking away.

I imagine they were simply obsolete now that GW is doing all digital plastic sculpts.

Thirded on the idea that LOTR is done, and so they are too. Sorry to hear they're leaving, but I'll be very interested in the world they do for their own company

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I imagine they were simply obsolete now that GW is doing all digital plastic sculpts.

My thought too.

GW has moved away from their style and medium.

GW has to bid goodbye to two freakishly talented sculptors. Seriously, losing your master hand and relearning to sculpt with your off hand to that level? Nuts!

But the more napoleonics they can punch out in plastic the better, maybe a 95th Rifles box! I can dream can't I?

Anyone have an actual proper link to this? I routinely browse Frothers but can't seem to find the post in question. I also did a Google search and found a recent topic on TMP that cites Beasts of War as having provided the rumor but the user didn't post an actual link to the article.

I even searched Beasts of War and found a few recent comments on a new blog post that mention the Perry's leaving, but to read the article you need to be a monthly subscriber to BoW... I'm wondering if this is actually a legitimate rumor or if BoW are just attempting to lure in some more paying subscribers.

I saw it on Frother's FaceBook page this morning. Sorry, can't link, because I'm on my phone.

 motyak wrote:
GW has to bid goodbye to two freakishly talented sculptors. Seriously, losing your master hand and relearning to sculpt with your off hand to that level? Nuts!

But the more napoleonics they can punch out in plastic the better, maybe a 95th Rifles box! I can dream can't I?

They really don't need hand sculpted greens anymore.

Besides, they could CAD sculpts of similar quality.

This is not to imply the Perry's aren't amazing, it is just the admission that computer aided design now makes sculpting much easier. Traditional artists have been dealing with this for years. Photoshop makes design a snap for 2d purposes.

CAD sculpts can be good, but they've yet to produce something of the quality and character of Perry or Tre Manor sculpts in my opinion. I'm certainly still in the market for both.

GW's loss, but hopefully those two will keep producing their excellent stuff.

I think CAD is great for certain things, but the faces of the recent releases have really lost their 'soul' for me. I think it's a good way to churn out a lot of vehicles and some interesting units, especially armoured ones, but the 'flesh' doesn't seem to match up at all and looks like WoW computer images. I found this really noticeable in the shift from the old B Nelson SAG to the new digital one.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think CAD is great for certain things, but the faces of the recent releases have really lost their 'soul' for me. I think it's a good way to churn out a lot of vehicles and some interesting units, especially armoured ones, but the 'flesh' doesn't seem to match up at all and looks like WoW computer images. I found this really noticeable in the shift from the old B Nelson SAG to the new digital one.

Fits right in with a lot of what's been coming out of Lenton in the last few years I guess.

 Da Boss wrote:


Edit: Any chance of a link to the Frothers thread?

It's not on the main Frothers site yet - it's up on the FB page. I picked it up on the Oldhammer FB page - posted by a guy called Ben Clapperton - reporting the BoLS rumour.

 Da Boss wrote:
CAD sculpts can be good, but they've yet to produce something of the quality and character of Perry or Tre Manor sculpts in my opinion. I'm certainly still in the market for both.

GW's loss, but hopefully those two will keep producing their excellent stuff.

It is a question of taste.

I have never been one to buy into the handsculpt=character.

Too often people mistake flawed with character. If that is what they see I don't disagree. It is probably the same idea as those who adore Blanche and dislike Kopinski or Dainton.

This is great news! Hopefully we will see the Perry's pushing out miniatures at a faster rate from now on.

Also this brings them one step closer to my dream of them making their own fantasy miniatures (A man can dream...)

I don't think you're really correct there, but I don't think I'll convince you through argument.

For me, it's about miniscule changes in the set of a brow or the curl of a lip that CAD models don't seem to have, but that the very best hand sculpted minis can manage.
CAD probably produces GOOD miniatures for most purposes much more easily and with less of a requirement for serious talent than hand sculpting. And for certain things, it's excellent. But truly awesome sculpts for human faces and the like still require a very talented hand sculptor.

 Da Boss wrote:
I don't think you're really correct there, but I don't think I'll convince you through argument.

For me, it's about miniscule changes in the set of a brow or the curl of a lip that CAD models don't seem to have, but that the very best hand sculpted minis can manage.
CAD probably produces GOOD miniatures for most purposes much more easily and with less of a requirement for serious talent than hand sculpting. And for certain things, it's excellent. But truly awesome sculpts for human faces and the like still require a very talented hand sculptor.

Neither of us are right or wrong, it is purely opinion.

There is nothing that can't be done in CAD that can be done by hand. I think where things sometimes break down is the fact that in many cases CAD designers are a little more technical rather than artistic, though that is somewhat insulting to the profession. They are able to produce technically clean and lovely models, but they aren't necessarily bringing decades of sculpting talents to the table.

Personally, I find the current GW line to be far superior to previous iterations. Much of that might be from actual production improvements though, mores than the move to computer aided sculpting.

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Anyone have an actual proper link to this? I routinely browse Frothers but can't seem to find the post in question. I also did a Google search and found a recent topic on TMP that cites Beasts of War as having provided the rumor but the user didn't post an actual link to the article.

I even searched Beasts of War and found a few recent comments on a new blog post that mention the Perry's leaving, but to read the article you need to be a monthly subscriber to BoW... I'm wondering if this is actually a legitimate rumor or if BoW are just attempting to lure in some more paying subscribers.

Its not a rumour, it was mentioned during the Beasts of War backstage content today that he spoke directly to the Perrys about a Waterloo project, and they can now help him as they had left GW the day before.

Its not clickbait, it was just part of a discussion about an ongoing project.

Beasts of War covered it briefly on XLBS today Warren contacted them to talk about some Napoleonic stuff and they confirmed to him that they had left GW 2 days before. They were at GW for 36 years and I guess with the Hobbit finishing up it was time to focus on their own company. It will be interesting to see if they did any of the new Bretonnian stuff. Some of my favourite GW minis have been done by the Perrys it was their Bretonnians stuff that got me interested in WHFB.

In the last year, that's Juan Diaz and now the Perrys---3 of their top sculptors. I wonder if that's an industry switch to 3d plastic kits or just sculptors moving to greener pastures.

 techsoldaten wrote:
This is not good news for LOTR fans.

I often wondered how they were able to have a day job at GW and their own miniatures business.

Take a look at this item from their online store, look at the price, and consider what you would get for the same cost from GW.

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=66_68&products_id=2841&osCsid=dt3lfbb0pj08qd5qc8cnl3qv23

That isnt the one GW should worry about.

Its the war of the roses hosts, either Lancastrian or Yorkshire, 240 infantry, a dozen cavalry plus command and some artillery for £130, they are better empire troops than GWs and at a shockingly smaller price.