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Calm down mate. It may not meet your exacting standards, but there's no reason to start raging for no reason and turn this into a shamefully negative thread...

Is that the kettle boiling, or is it just getting yelled at by a pot?

Pretty much just that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones or Skulls Techpriests. You started both the uncalled for snark and (amusingly) the bitching before people unhappy with that other campaign have even said a word.

Now if you'll stop making this thread such a shamefully negative pit of argument, I'd like to see how the campaign is progressing. It's almost like a GW thread here, the way you're carrying on.

Where did I start bitching? I'd made 4 posts in this thread prior to this one, and not a single one of them is a complaint about this KS. I like this KS. I think this KS is great. It's part three of my fav series of KS's to date.

And the Raging Heroes thread is shamefully negative, and no matter how much you try to use those two words to needle me, it will always be true. You're a bunch of whiny entitled children in that damned thread, and have been since almost the first page of it. And you hate, HATE, that someone called you on it.

And YOU Azazelx, more than any other poster in any other Kickstarter thread, are the most consistent complainer of them all, always having something new to complain about (even when it is legitimate). Your mere presence in KS threads makes me want to skip over them, as you're always complaining about communication or some other imagined (or real) problem with the latest KS, and yet you continue to back them and act utterly astonished when things don't go perfectly. You know what the definition of insanity is?

There's a reason I stay out of the Raging Heroes thread as much as possible, or the Tablescapes, or whatever. You're a really big part of that of that reason.

So pot kettle. Glass houses. whatever.

I never played this series before. Would season 3 be a good jumping on point or should I start at season 1? Or maybe it doesn't matter?

Also, do these play well in a single player setting?

 Malkaven wrote:
I never played this series before. Would season 3 be a good jumping on point or should I start at season 1? Or maybe it doesn't matter?

Also, do these play well in a single player setting?

By the end of this Kickstarter Zombicide will have:

3 Starter Boxes
2 Expansions

... and this KS includes that third Starter Box (Rue Morgue). So you can jump in right there, as each of the starter boxes, whist having a slightly different theme, has the same rules base (ie. all the games work together without any required conversion work) and includes a full rule book. So here is a perfectly fine jumping in point.

As far as single player goes, sure. It would work because the zombies are all driven by defined AI rules (for lack of a better term). They always move towards a Survivor that they can see, and failing that the largest amount of noise via the shortest route possible. They don't roll dice, they just cause damage, meaning a person playing the game by themselves can control all their Survivors normally and then all they have to do during the Zombie turn is move the models in accordance with the Zombie rules.

I'd like some input on that too - is it worth jumping in on Season 3 if you are a zombicide virgin?
While I am a bit of a figure snob, Wehrkind and other people have attested to this being pretty decent despite the material. More than anything it seems people are really enjoying the game itself. While I don't particularly game as much as I'd like for various reasons, I would not say no to a game that is fun for everyone involved = not Monopoly.

Thoughts?

 basement.dweller wrote:
I'd like some input on that too - is it worth jumping in on Season 3 if you are a zombicide virgin?
While I am a bit of a figure snob, Wehrkind and other people have attested to this being pretty decent despite the material. More than anything it seems people are really enjoying the game itself. While I don't particularly game as much as I'd like for various reasons, I would not say no to a game that is fun for everyone involved = not Monopoly.

Thoughts?

Honestly, I'd say unequivocally yes.

I think Rue Morgue will be a great jumping off point if you're new to the series for a couple reasons:

1. Plenty of survivors in the box, right off the bat. I personally don't think the Zombivors add that[ much to the game, beyond adding some different playable characters.

2. The team rules will be new for all of us, and with Season 3 you can simply learn them right away. I think they're going to add a lot of fun elements to the game.

3. This KS will probably, like all the previous ones, be full of cool extras and plenty of bang for your buck.

4. Zombicide is really fun and easy to teach. My wife, who doesn't care for zombies at all, really likes it.

In regards to the figures themselves... well that sorta depends on your point of view. I look at them as pure board game pieces, not miniatures to be held up to the same standards as a table top war game. I mean, sure, people paint them and we've seen a lot of great examples of painted Zombicide collections, but I wouldn't consider it as necessary as painting a 40K army.

As far as the material they're made of... well they're not the PVC disasters of other Kickstarters, that much I can tell you. They're decent detail and have bright colours that make them easy to distinguish.

And further to what cincydooley said, the 12 Survivors in the base Rue Morgue box is actually quite good. For a long time, before the second half of Season 1 hit, we only had the original 6 + 3 promo survivors, and with 5 people playing that left little variation. 12 survivors off the bat (13 with Audrey), is a really good start (plus it appears the first two promo-survivors already have their minis completed, so that could mean a lot of survivors to start with, offering tons of variation).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Where did I start bitching? I'd made 4 posts in this thread prior to this one, and not a single one of them is a complaint about this KS. I like this KS. I think this KS is great. It's part three of my fav series of KS's to date.

And the Raging Heroes thread is shamefully negative, and no matter how much you try to use those two words to needle me, it will always be true. You're a bunch of whiny entitled children in that damned thread, and have been since almost the first page of it. And you hate, HATE, that someone called you on it.

No, I don't hate it. Bloody hell, you flatter yourself. What a delusional degree of self-importance. I don't really give a feth what you think, quite frankly. "Shamefully Negative" is really just another joke to play with, like the various animated GIFs. Especially since it comes from you, given your history in pretty much every non-FW GW thread. Every time you post either of those words, it's like the "delicious" lips GIF appearing onscreen.

And YOU Azazelx, more than any other poster in any other Kickstarter thread, are the most consistent complainer of them all, always having something new to complain about (even when it is legitimate). Your mere presence in KS threads makes me want to skip over them, as you're always complaining about communication or some other imagined (or real) problem with the latest KS, and yet you continue to back them and act utterly astonished when things don't go perfectly. You know what the definition of insanity is?
There's a reason I stay out of the Raging Heroes thread as much as possible, or the Tablescapes, or whatever. You're a really big part of that of that reason.

That's awesome. I'm really flattered that you care so much about what I post. Actually, no. I don't. Because I don't much give a feth about that, either.
I do find your comments especially amusing and headscratchy since I rarely even post in the RH thread anymore - and haven't for the last couple of months, and have really only posted there semi-recently to respond to trolling from people like yourself. Like 3(?) weeks ago now most recently?

In fact, my opinion of you has mostly gone from a WTF is wrong with this guy? person when I came back to Dakka a few years ago, to considering you to be someone who mostly posts intelligent things, but goes stupid in GW threads, to almost exclusively a rather confused and laughable white knight/black knight, depending on if the thread is GW's or some other company's (including FW). So no, I don't hate it. I don't hate you, either. At this point you're simply another self-important poster on the internet who is essentially little more than a living joke. I'm aware that you're far more than that in real life, to your friends and family, etc. But I'm none of those things, and we'll never meet, so those things don't matter, so you're just the joke part. And in the end, who gives a gak? (Actually, it's a bit of a shame that you've lost the plot so badly recently, since you were legitimately very helpful when I was asking about 40k RPG books awhile back, and I did/do appreciate that.)

Now, if you really, truly can't stand me or my participation in KS (or other) threads, I can highly recommend that little button in the lower righthand side of all of my posts. Press it, and you won't ever have to worry about seeing me gak up your precious kickstarter threads with my shamefully negative attitude.

To the mods: I'm happy to leave it here, but since HBMC started this off with his snark post and then his self-important outburst post, I'm happy to have my right of reply here and leave it at that. He's more than welcome to take his ranting at me to PM if he'd like to continue.

As others have said, it is 100% a good game to get non gamers playing, fun and easy to play. You can also solo it up, help learn the game yourself before diving head long into it with others. RM seems like it will be a decent starting point. If it wasnt currently in Kickstarter, I'd say Season 1 would be better, but you'll get more bang for your buck here, though not the instant gratification.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
12 survivors off the bat (13 with Audrey), is a really good start (plus it appears the first two promo-survivors already have their minis completed, so that could mean a lot of survivors to start with, offering tons of variation).

Did want to correct this that Audrey is only with Patient 0 backers, so she wouldn't be with the 12 base. We are already at 2 free survivors at the infected backing though. I'd suggest the Patient 0 level anyways, if you want some extra variety.

@ HBMC
@ Cincy

Thank you both for your input. It sounds good Yeah I am more inclined to look at this as a board game and tame my expectations a bit on the figure front.

One thing though - how does the number of survivors impact the play variation? I've gathered there are different scenarios to play out and that it's kind of open akin to open source with the editor for people to add new ones.

Stick to the topic folks.

I've always done random suvivor choice, and it does add quite a bit of variation, as they can play very differently. There are a few types they all fall into (melee, gunner, tank, support, etc) and it can change the game quite a bit depending on how many of each there are, and who is playing them.

The survivors all have a different set of special abilities which expand with the number of zombies they kill (killing zombies also increases the rate at which they spawn, so there's a ramping up as you play).

Season 3 seems like a good place to begin to me, because IMO 12 survivors is way better than 6 plus the zombivor versions. There has been a bit of power creep along the way though, so the equipment in Season 3 is probably too strong. Season 1 is the other good starter, as the scenario and balance on Season 2 wasn't as good (again IMO).

@Whalemusic

Ahh gotcha. That sounds pretty neat actually.

As for Zombicide season 1, it's quite expensive over here and shipping pretty much kills it when looking at online vendors. Stuff like this is more often than not a KS or nothing thing for me.

 basement.dweller wrote:
@ HBMC
@ Cincy

Thank you both for your input. It sounds good Yeah I am more inclined to look at this as a board game and tame my expectations a bit on the figure front.

One thing though - how does the number of survivors impact the play variation? I've gathered there are different scenarios to play out and that it's kind of open akin to open source with the editor for people to add new ones.

Don't sleep on the minis yet. They're actually pretty highly detailed and can be painted up to a really nice standard

Season 3 would be a great starting point. The 12 survivors, plus the 4 from angry neighbors, plus the exclusive ones you'll get for free for backing the kickstarter, will give you a nice selection of survivors. Also, Season 3 backers get the updated Dashboards for all of the exclusive characters relased over the years. That will give you a huge selection of survivors to choose from if you just proxy the miniatures.

The Dashboards are what matter. You could use any pawn on the board. The game just looks cooler with the matching miniatures.

$559,106

With the amount of dice they keep giving us, that better be a big dice bag. And I'm not just saying that because I bought two extra sets of dice last time 'cause I over pledged by accident and didn't have anything else to spend the money on. @ me.

 basement.dweller wrote:
One thing though - how does the number of survivors impact the play variation? I've gathered there are different scenarios to play out and that it's kind of open akin to open source with the editor for people to add new ones.

You're right in that there are many different scenarios, and that you can easily design your own survivors. What we mean though is that having 12+ at the start gives a lot of variety for people right from the get-go, allowing people to pick ones that suit their play style or just their preference. For example I almost always choose either Wanda (from Season 1), or the Cardboard Tube Samurai (a Season 1 exclusive). Wanda I choose because I like her default special rule - she's has roller-skates, so she can move twice as fast as everyone else, meaning I'm a good scout, I can get out ahead of the group and lure Zombies away, and I can get out of trouble fast if I need to. CTS on the other hand is someone I choose for no other reason than I think he's cool.

And in a lot of games people end up playing 2 characters (some of the scenarios are for 8 Survivors, meaning some people can play multiple - and that's not hard as the game is very easy to learn and play), so having more than that default 6 (as we had originally) is good, because it means the game isn't always the same people playing the same characters. With the default pledge you have (right now) 14 survivors. With the second level pledge that jumps to 19! If you're playing 8 survivors in a single game you'd need to play three scenarios before you had to use the same survivor twice. That's variety, and that's a great way to start this season.

Thanks for the info all.

Yes, thanks everyone for all the input!

This actually made me want to play... like now Anyone in Göteborg reading this that has the game?

@Cincy - that is a really good paintjob!!! You could always tell the sculpts were good from the start. They are full of character which sometimes can trump other aspects of a mini. My biggest concern was and is the material, but given how much praise this game has gotten I feel going the extra mile in cleaning will be worth it in this case.

This is the season I jump in. I regret not doing season 1 or 2. 1 it was that or Sedition Wars...Wrong choice. And season 2 hit during a low hobby fund time. This time however I'm in.

I mean, for full disclosure I do a ton of work for CMoN and have friends in the company, but this game really is one of my favorites.

It's very fun, the online support for it is immense, and the production value of the game can really draw anyone in. Can't recommend it highly enough.

Heh. The preview video shows off a new Ultra-Red weapon: The Holy Pan (it's a frying pan with a halo!). It says it's "Made in France", and aside from being a fairly decent weapon (3 dice, 4+, 2 damage), if you have a second melee weapon it adds +3 dice to that weapon.

There's also the Uber-Shield, which gives you Tough and Shove, and you can discard it to ignore all damage inflicted that round.

There's an armoured fist that grants the Tough skill. A Winchester rifle. Something called the "Zombicider", which looks like a huge feth-off shotgun where you just roll as many dice as their are people in the area you're targeting. A companion weapon for the katana that prevents crawling zombies from spawning from Skinners. Some brass knuckles!

The new A-Bomb kinda terrifies me.

Good god the comment section for this KS is atrocious, and it's only day 2. If it isn't people complaining about free stretch goals, it's people complaining about wanting more add-ons....It's baffling. Usually by this point there'd be more $10 survivors, so I for one am happy that CMoN and GG are willing to provide us freebies for the first dozen or so stretches.

~iPaint

 -iPaint- wrote:
Good god the comment section for this KS is atrocious, and it's only day 2. If it isn't people complaining about free stretch goals, it's people complaining about wanting more add-ons....It's baffling. Usually by this point there'd be more $10 survivors, so I for one am happy that CMoN and GG are willing to provide us freebies for the first dozen or so stretches.

~iPaint

I've sorta stopped going to the comments sections of "big" KS projects for that very reason....

Oi Vey...

 cincydooley wrote:

 -iPaint- wrote:
Good god the comment section for this KS is atrocious, and it's only day 2. If it isn't people complaining about free stretch goals, it's people complaining about wanting more add-ons....It's baffling. Usually by this point there'd be more $10 survivors, so I for one am happy that CMoN and GG are willing to provide us freebies for the first dozen or so stretches.

~iPaint

I've sorta stopped going to the comments sections of "big" KS projects for that very reason....

Oi Vey...

Totally. Which is disappointing, because there are times when people aren't complaining and they do offer up good advice or ideas. I (and I'm sure many others) just don't want to wade through the quagmire to find the decent posts.

~iPaint

I find this forum infinitely more useful... I even got PM's from people after I posted my questions here It's fantastic. And the spawncamping of misguided supporters is minimal here.

It does seem like this is the only game which seems to be getting 'stronger' with each release opposed to a lot of the other companies which are getting weaker and having worse problems with quality and consistency as their house of cards fall apart.

The only thing which I see making people sad are that if they join in season 3, they have like 30 some survivors and zombivors which they can never get due to exclusives. They are not needed, but some of the terribly fun and familiar ones are basically unobtainable.

So it is the walking the line between exclusives and late-game completionists.

I have played this game a bunch, it is totes fun.