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I see the comments section is in it's second day straight of discussing how the dice should be changed to accommodate colorblind gamers.

Kinda hoped we'd be discussing awesome miniatures and beautiful game boards, but apparently not...

So how many 'exclusives' are there so far?

overtyrant wrote:
So how many 'exclusives' are there so far?

Exclusive greyscale dice for colorblind gamers.

As a colorblind person myself, I don't much care if the dice are yellow, orange, and red. But that's Kickstarter for you. I'm surprised colorblind sensitivity is the worst thus far.

 Alex C wrote:
I see the comments section is in it's second day straight of discussing how the dice should be changed to accommodate colorblind gamers.

Kinda hoped we'd be discussing awesome miniatures and beautiful game boards, but apparently not...

How can that even be an issue? You can't play the game solo so unlessall of the players and the overlord are colorblind it wouldn't matter, a noncolorblind player/overlord would just correct the colorblind person if he/she grabbed the wrong dice.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
I see the comments section is in it's second day straight of discussing how the dice should be changed to accommodate colorblind gamers.

Kinda hoped we'd be discussing awesome miniatures and beautiful game boards, but apparently not...

How can that even be an issue? You can't play the game solo so unlessall of the players and the overlord are colorblind it wouldn't matter, a noncolorblind player/overlord would just correct the colorblind person if he/she grabbed the wrong dice.

A certain person who was quite the troll on the SoB KS has been insisting about every 5 minutes that Monolith needs to redesign their entire aesthetic to allow tables full of colorblind gamers to enjoy the game, even though he's not colorblind himself.

Next he'll be demanding braille dice and/or some sort of machine that reads aloud the card/rulebook text so that gaming groups composed entirely of blind people can play it.

overtyrant wrote:
So how many 'exclusives' are there so far?

so far:


And here is a summary of everything included in the King's pledge at the moment, except for the Hyperborean Primitive that was just unlocked:

nevermind.

That is FAR to many KS exclusives!

overtyrant wrote:
That is FAR to many KS exclusives!

It is worth mentioning that the kickstarter exclusives are all exclusive sculpts, rather than 100% exclusive. They have mentioned that they intend to do different sculpts for these at a later date. I can't remember wher eI read it though

So ,for example, the Skeletons and Mummies in the King box are the KS only versions, but the alt sculpts that were unlocked as stretch goals will be available afterwards so you can still get these. The heroes should (afaik) be getting different sculpts for retail.

And not to be too negative, but I'm really not a fan of that strategy either! It's better than having content locked away forever, but:

- By far the most expensive thing in these sorts of projects is the tooling of new plastic models for mass production. Now the majority of the content has to be tooled twice, and the Kickstarter is only really paying for its own tooling of exclusive stuff.
- The quality of some of the Kickstarter Exclusive sculpts is less than desirable, so backers might end up with the 'lesser' version.
- Completionists have to buy twice the amount!

But I accept that it wouldn't have gotten to half a mil in a few days without those exclusives, and it's their strategy after all. I do hope the heavily cut-down retail version will actually be worth playing though - it's terrible when I can't recommend games I like to friends, because they'd be buying something that costs twice as much with a quarter of the content.

The Kickstarter exclusives will also be available later at conventions they said, so the tools and dies aren't wasted on a one and done run.

As for the King buyers getting lesser quality sculpts, that's also a way to get them back to buy more later. The goal of starting the franchise is not to get anyone to buy everything in the kickstarter and never have more sales from them in the future. The goal should be to generate intrest now and get the initial funding now to cover costs so it becomes just material costs later. The kickstarter exclusives are needed to get people like myself off the fence and throw down the money now.

The thing that's worrying me about this kickstarter (same as many others), is are they over stretching. It's a great value right now, I don't want it to explode so far that quality suffers from trying to produce too quickly, or they take the time to do it correctly but that there's too much and it takes another 6-8 months.

Next stretch goal is a bag spider. Queue comments about GW sculpting it...





It's supposed to be as big as a man, so I'd guess that's a 40mm base.

So far counting all the exclusives twice(because they should have alternates later), they're currently at 50 unique figures including all the scenery and big monsters. I don't believe it's at Reaper Bones I levels yet. You just get a ton of the same stuff like archers and such.

So have they said that the alternates fro the exclusives are going to be funded in this KS? If so then aren't they just shooting themselves in the foot by devaluing the exclusives?

I haven't checked out a kicktraqer for other KS in a while, so I decided to see how this was looking. I know they aren't close to being right ever but it's just more fun to watch. This is trending (according to kicktraqer) to hit $3.6 million. I don't think it will get close to that but I'm guessing it'll be over a million easy. I just hope there's more sculpts and content to extend it to that without causing delays.

Plus giant spider is sweet.

 Theophony wrote:
I haven't checked out a kicktraqer for other KS in a while, so I decided to see how this was looking. I know they aren't close to being right ever but it's just more fun to watch. This is trending (according to kicktraqer) to hit $3.6 million. I don't think it will get close to that but I'm guessing it'll be over a million easy. I just hope there's more sculpts and content to extend it to that without causing delays.

Plus giant spider is sweet.

If you've been following Kicktraq since the project launched, you'd have seen the trending amount dropping. I think it will drop further as pledges taper off over a longer period, which is pretty typical in most projects.

In fact, if you compare the first few days of Conan with the the first few days of Zombicide Season 3, there's already a marked difference, despite having a very similar first day.

ZS3 started at 500K, and went to 1M by day 2. Conan started at 250K and has yet to reach 1M. The trend line is also markedly more shallow than ZS3 thus far. Conan doesn't seem to have the same kind of drive as ZS3, which had a more gentle drop off in pledge dollars per day.

Doesn't Kicktraq just take the average per day and then multiply that by how many days are left and then add that to the current total?

So, yeah, not that good of a predictor really!

Their other 'experimental' projections are slightly better, but all struggle with the reality of a last day surge - or if there will be a last day surge.

The only useful information that Kicktraq provides is daily totals.

I don't think comparing Conan to Z3 (one of the most successful KS boardgame projects, if not THE most successful) is too fair...

But Conan actually does compare pretty well to other million dollar earners. Compare to:
Dwarf Kings Quest (which earned $1.06 million)


Deadzone ($1.2 million)


Forgotten King ($1.51 million)


And this project is doing great. What's crazy is that we're at less than 80 cents a figure, and we get a game. I too hope they don't overextend themselves and get crushed from a final 48-hour pledge rush with too many stretch goals.



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PS is there a thread that explains how I could have linked those images into this thread as images, instead of links? Sorry for the newbie question...

Edit: Updated with images. Thanks Orlandothe, for the tip.

Oh, no doubt about it - there WILL be a huge last day surge here!

Is there a pool on how late this one will be? October seems..... optimistic. Especially with $1m+ worth of SG...

I wouldn't place a bet, but if I did, I'd confidently select the "after CNY 2016" category!

pancakeonions wrote:
I don't think comparing Conan to Z3 (one of the most successful KS boardgame projects, if not THE most successful) is too fair...

PS is there a thread that explains how I could have linked those images into this thread as images, instead of links? Sorry for the newbie question...

to add images just put this infront of the address [img]

and this at the end of the address [/img]

 Alex C wrote:
Is there a pool on how late this one will be? October seems..... optimistic. Especially with $1m+ worth of SG...

I don't know, it may not be that late. They're not making too many different molds, you just get a lot of the same miniatures. It may be on time!

From what they're saying, the game is mostly done. And these are all board game and miniature veterans. So hopefully it won't be too late.

I'm actually optimistic about this one being on time as they have at least shown models with each picture/stretch goal.

There's no point in comparing this to ZS3. This is not the third installment in a series, it doesn't give people the option to buy the previous game/s along with it.

I'd really love to see a kickstarter that goes berserk say "okay guys, too much, were stopping HERE! No more stretch goals as we want to get this out on schedule. We'll start a second KS for this next month with a delivery date of XXXX for those who haven't pledged yet." The closest I've seen was creature caster, who said to the extent "I'm only doing X many items so I can be on time because that is paramount" he stuck to it, but is still late .

I think there's more than 50 unique sculpts now. Some of those will be one the same tool, of course. But still.

 Theophony wrote:
I'd really love to see a kickstarter that goes berserk say "okay guys, too much, were stopping HERE! No more stretch goals as we want to get this out on schedule. We'll start a second KS for this next month with a delivery date of XXXX for those who haven't pledged yet." The closest I've seen was creature caster, who said to the extent "I'm only doing X many items so I can be on time because that is paramount" he stuck to it, but is still late .

Only one I know of is Forgotten Kings. The latter SG's were pretty much fillers (eg. coloring book, box).

Only KS's I backed which arrived early were Dwarven Forge, MegaMiniatures, and Dark Sword Miniatures. Latter two were metals (and had sculpts made), so the creators could start the project before funding ended.

SDE put a cap on the stretch goals too. The fans got Soda Pop to add a couple more things in, but eventually the SG list topped out.

Still not a fan of Olgerd's stance, but here's a barbarian swinging his axe with the blade facing "behind" him. Note the much more dynamic pose suggesting the arc of the axe.

Since this miniature is metal, perhaps Olgerd's stance reflects the limitations of single-piece plastic models?