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Only one figure from the Others has been cast in plastic thus far and that is the pride figure......which is huge and cut into multiple pieces and still shows significant mold lines and slight gaps at the part joins.

 Taarnak wrote:
Anyone know if these folks are allowing $1 pledge and upgrade in Pledge Manager?

~Eric

This is a good question!

I'd like some...flexibility here too.

You know, tax returns, bonuses, etc...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
Anyone know if these folks are allowing $1 pledge and upgrade in Pledge Manager?

~Eric

This is a good question!

I'd like some...flexibility here too.

You know, tax returns, bonuses, etc...

I thought you were allergic to PVC?

 tre manor wrote:
Only one figure from the Others has been cast in plastic thus far and that is the pride figure......which is huge and cut into multiple pieces and still shows significant mold lines and slight gaps at the part joins.

I think "significant mould lines" is a significant overstatement.

 tre manor wrote:
Only one figure from the Others has been cast in plastic thus far and that is the pride figure......which is huge and cut into multiple pieces and still shows significant mold lines and slight gaps at the part joins.

That's a little worrying. Was it cast at the same place as Dust Tactics?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 tre manor wrote:
Only one figure from the Others has been cast in plastic thus far and that is the pride figure......which is huge and cut into multiple pieces and still shows significant mold lines and slight gaps at the part joins.

That's a little worrying. Was it cast at the same place as Dust Tactics?

I'm sorry, but as I said before, that simply isn't true. "Significant mold lines" is gross hyperbole. I'm holding the model in my hand right now. Both Dave C and I have uploaded photos.

Just isn't true.

 tre manor wrote:
Only one figure from the Others has been cast in plastic thus far and that is the pride figure......which is huge and cut into multiple pieces and still shows significant mold lines and slight gaps at the part joins.

These are the only pics I've seen from "the others", I see mold lines, but nothing even I couldn't fix. Spoilered so as not to hijack this thread with models from another thread.

 Alex C wrote:

Karazax wrote:
Campaign book is interesting, though I would prefer an expansion with the book, maybe a map and some figures for the expansion, even if the price was more.

Should be getting exactly that today or tomorrow as an add-on.

Interesting, but that brings a new question. If the campaign book is designed to be used with these new miniatures and/or map(s), how much value does it have without them? Or is this a completely different campaign book with maps and miniatures? What's the play testing on this stuff? The more things they add the more stuff there is to test. Especially in a campaign where the sides progress in strength. The game being in production for 2 years sounds impressive, but the more new stuff you add the more testing that is required to balance it. Then if you then are splitting your testing between base rules and campaign rules, and scenario testing increases from 8 scenarios to 27+ scenarios, that's even more variables. We aren't even thru the first week of the kickstarter yet, so lots more is going to be added.

The other thing I wonder about is exclusive sculpts like Baal Pteor. How many scenarios can you use this exclusive sculpt in? My understanding is that each scenario has set lists for the evil side, not choose your own army. So being that Baal Pteor is a kickstarter exclusive, how many scenarios can he possibly be in? There will be no additional demand for scenarios featuring him once the game goes retail. If you just like the sculpt, $10 might be OK, but if you want him for the gameplay, $10 for a guy who might only be in one scenario and isn't likely to be in any future scenarios seems steep.

Well Cincy what I saw had clearly visible lines where the tool parted. It could well be we are willing to judge the same product by two different standards.

 tre manor wrote:
Well Cincy what I saw had clearly visible lines where the tool parted. It could well be we are willing to judge the same product by two different standards.

There's no standard difference that we're judging by.

I've got it in my hand. Right now. I'm telling you you're wrong, and that the use of the word "significant" is absolutely wrong by any definition of the word. But, as you clearly implied, my untrained eye must operate on a "different standard."

I get that you don't like PVC, and that's fine. But your rhetoric in any KS thread using it is, quite frankly, getting tiring, because more often than not it sounds like you have an axe to grind against any KS that doesn't run their project and production to the way you seem fit. First it's Early Birds. Now it's the material, which, while I respect your valuable input as a member of the industry, you simply haven't worked. And this isn't the first KS thread you've jumped in to tell us how they're doing it wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong, and you're just trying to offer us, the consumer, some valuable insight about which KS projects we should back and why. But because you've run projects that have been less successful than the ones you're critiquing, it does occasionally come off as sour grapes.

I own the new Dust Op Babylon miniatures and they are impressive and have no complaints. They have improved from the other Dust tactics miniatures in detail and texture. The first I guess you could say generation Axis and other groups were soft and the the details such as the face often were merged and lacking. The new Axis and SSU are stiffer more crisp and detailed.

Not to interrupt the mold line discussion, but the Heroquest is strong with this one it seems:





They really need to make a scenery bundle add on when this gets near the end.

Just need my desk, fireplace, armor rack, and torture devices!

Ernster wrote:
I own the new Dust Op Babylon miniatures and they are impressive and have no complaints. They have improved from the other Dust tactics miniatures in detail and texture. The first I guess you could say generation Axis and other groups were soft and the the details such as the face often were merged and lacking. The new Axis and SSU are stiffer more crisp and detailed.

People keep saying this, but I still haven't seen any actual high res pictures of the new Dust stuff. Could you oblige?

Karazax wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

Karazax wrote:
Campaign book is interesting, though I would prefer an expansion with the book, maybe a map and some figures for the expansion, even if the price was more.

Should be getting exactly that today or tomorrow as an add-on.

Interesting, but that brings a new question. If the campaign book is designed to be used with these new miniatures and/or map(s), how much value does it have without them? Or is this a completely different campaign book with maps and miniatures? What's the play testing on this stuff? The more things they add the more stuff there is to test. Especially in a campaign where the sides progress in strength. The game being in production for 2 years sounds impressive, but the more new stuff you add the more testing that is required to balance it. Then if you then are splitting your testing between base rules and campaign rules, and scenario testing increases from 8 scenarios to 27+ scenarios, that's even more variables. We aren't even thru the first week of the kickstarter yet, so lots more is going to be added.

The other thing I wonder about is exclusive sculpts like Baal Pteor. How many scenarios can you use this exclusive sculpt in? My understanding is that each scenario has set lists for the evil side, not choose your own army. So being that Baal Pteor is a kickstarter exclusive, how many scenarios can he possibly be in? There will be no additional demand for scenarios featuring him once the game goes retail. If you just like the sculpt, $10 might be OK, but if you want him for the gameplay, $10 for a guy who might only be in one scenario and isn't likely to be in any future scenarios seems steep.

The expansion that is coming today is separate from the campaign book but will come with boards, minis, scenarios, etc. It's my understanding they have most, if not all, of the stretch/add-on content developed. Baal comes with 2 scenarios, I'm unsure of his use beyond those 2.

 cincydooley wrote:

 tre manor wrote:
Well Cincy what I saw had clearly visible lines where the tool parted. It could well be we are willing to judge the same product by two different standards.

There's no standard difference that we're judging by.

I've got it in my hand. Right now. I'm telling you you're wrong, and that the use of the word "significant" is absolutely wrong by any definition of the word. But, as you clearly implied, my untrained eye must operate on a "different standard."

I get that you don't like PVC, and that's fine. But your rhetoric in any KS thread using it is, quite frankly, getting tiring, because more often than not it sounds like you have an axe to grind against any KS that doesn't run their project and production to the way you seem fit. First it's Early Birds. Now it's the material, which, while I respect your valuable input as a member of the industry, you simply haven't worked. And this isn't the first KS thread you've jumped in to tell us how they're doing it wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong, and you're just trying to offer us, the consumer, some valuable insight about which KS projects we should back and why. But because you've run projects that have been less successful than the ones you're critiquing, it does occasionally come off as sour grapes.

Larger figures(like the Pride model you have) are usually going to be the best of the bunch when you have PVC involved; see the Noh from Relic Knights. I want to see some of the smaller models involved with this campaign in the material. I still have a pile of cerci models staring at me with their blank faces and hair thin arms and legs.

Don't get me wrong, I want to like this game, but I seem to recall hearing the whole, "We've taken extra precautions- exaggerated detail, secured the best manufacturer, mastered the process, trust us with your money!" If they have, great! But it's not something I haven't heard before, and that's what people need to know before throwing down oodles of dollars on this. No where on their main page do they mention PVC- the miniatures are said to be made of "plastic" which I guess is true, but also misleading. When people hear plastic they think GW quality, which I'm sure aren't up to the same standard. I'll be honest, I don't own any Dust miniatures so I don't know their quality, but I haven't heard anyone sing their praises either. I've only read reviews that say, "decent" or "acceptable".

Adam Poots delayed his project by a year or more switching to HIPS, because he felt PVC was an obviously inferior material. I should mention his project is a board game as well. I want to see a stretchgoal that says, "At this point, we're making everything in High-Impact PolyStyrene." But I know that's not going to happen, because it's only a "board game". Which sounds to me like, "Why should we bother making display pieces for this game?" Which seems at odds with these wonderfully detailed miniatures made of PVC. They're not making these figures out of metal, or resin, or HIPS, but PVC and we should expect PVC quality, which is at best average. Even the Noh I mentioned before(which I have held in my hands) are fairly bland. They look average. And people should know they should expect average quality at best from this kickstarter's miniatures.

1. The "formula" used in Relic Knights will be materially different from the one used in this game, just as it was with Arcadia Quest.

2. Poots wasn't going for the 'boardgame' crowd with his game. He was going for the boutique miniatures crows. Monolith isn't. They, much like Fantasy Flight Games does, want to sell their product as a boardgame. Multi-part models is NOT something board gamers want, and quite frankly I don't for a boardgame either. I want to be able to play right out of the box. And honestly, the Kingdom Death situation is wearing thin for me.

3. I don't think the majority of the people hear plastic and think GW, especially with Monoliths target market of boardgamers. Especially when it's a boardgame and being marketed as a boardgame.

4. I think using the Relic Knights models as your exemplar is a poor one. While chibi models, the Arcadia quest ones are probably your best example right now, as they're similarly one piece. Yes, the scale is different, but there are multiple tiny details in the pieces, and there's a noticeable difference in the material. Further, while the Pride model is large, there are plenty of small details that are retained in it's sample pre-production iteration that are on the scale of a human sized model.

5. We're getting to the point where I'm really looking forward to seeing all the master painters that we seem to have on this thread. There's a very small percentage of people out there that can even take advantage of the increased detail a resin brings, and that small % can make a 1 piece PVC model, like a Zombicide hero, look like a million bucks. Monolith could make some resin models of these sculpts for that apparently gigantic market of Crystal Brush and Golden Demon winners, but they want to make a board game. I have a lot of trouble begrudging them for that at all.

Ok I will admit that I judge more harshly than others so I will give you that. But what I am seeing here are mold lines. It is my understanding ( which admittedly might be inaccurate ) that mold lines in PVC models are difficult to remove or reduce. I thought that that was a problem for people.

And I Do like PVC. I would love to produce in it. I think that Dust Studios ( and a number of other lesser known names ) do produce a great product when the material is part of the deign process. There are a few figures in this campaign that i think will probabyl produce really well because of the way they are sculpted. The Savage Belit, Shevatas, Baal Pteor, the Man Ape, the Picts. Those look liek the kind of figures that will come through production really well. Maybe ALL of them will I do not know.


I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade, the game looks like fun and overall for a boardgame it looks like a great product. I might have made some different design decisions but ultimately I guess I am judging it by the all together wrong rubric.

Sour grapes is nto quite accurate but I will readily admit to a significant degree of jealousy. Maybe it is indeed I who just doesn't do it " right".

The earlier Dust models that I had did come with some lines in them, but clean-up was a doddle compared to the horror that was Sedition Wars' restic nonsense. I've not seen the more recent ones to comment on those, but hopefully lots of lessons were learned.

Anyway... Book case is now unlocked and we should be nearing the skull piles now that the expansion has been added



Included in the box are:

21 figurines:
- 5 Tower Guard minions
- 5 Javelin throwers minions
- 5 Honor Guards minions
- 5 Foo Dog minions
- 1 Sorcerer leader

All models are supplied with the necessary tiles and tokens.

1 big gameboard: 29 9/16 x 23 5/8 inches (70x60cm)
1 small gameboard: 13 25/32 x 23 5/8 inches (35x60cm)
15 equipment & spell cards
2 scenarios written by the award winning Antoine Bauza and Ludovic Maublanc
2 scenarios written by the team at Monolith (on Monolith Conan upcoming website)

I hope that some future stretch goals bulk out the expansion a bit as the current price vs content seems... odd. Especially with only two of the 4 scenarios coming in the box. I can only assume that this is a retail box and the extra 2 scenarios rely upon King level models.

Yep, it's pricey, especially as it only contains half of the scenarios designed for it. I was thinking it would be about $40 at most. It has no exclusive content so will be cheaper at retail and buying it now adds to our shipping charge. I added funds for it, but may well lower my pledge soon.

Ouch.

A bit of a steep price.

I kind of hoped for at least a few more scenarios out of it. Maybe an extra hero possibly.

I'll probably wait for retail. The campaign book is looking like a much better option from a gameplay perspective.

Yep, no hero. No monster either. The thing that probably bothers me most, apart from the price, is that they designed 4 scenarios for it but only include 2 of them in the box...

Is there a post with a good recap? The first post doesn't even have a link to the kickstarter...

Holy crap, last time I checked this a couple of days ago, it was around 400k

this took off like a rocket.

Nice to see it doing so well, hope they hit a home run with everything, based on some of the Demos from some french players via BGG, sounds like it is a real fun game.

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/806316071/conan/

 pretre wrote:
Is there a post with a good recap? The first post doesn't even have a link to the kickstarter...

I don't believe the kickstarter has even gone live yet has it?

Derp: thought it was 7 sins for some reason. Ignore me.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Is there a post with a good recap? The first post doesn't even have a link to the kickstarter...

I don't believe the kickstarter has even gone live yet has it?

Derp: thought it was 7 sins for some reason. Ignore me.

Been live for a week mate.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/conan/description


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 Piston Honda wrote:
Holy crap, last time I checked this a couple of days ago, it was around 400k

this took off like a rocket.

Nice to see it doing so well, hope they hit a home run with everything, based on some of the Demos from some french players via BGG, sounds like it is a real fun game.

It's doing very well and looks like a great game.

Expansion has caused a gakstorm though...

 Alex C wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Is there a post with a good recap? The first post doesn't even have a link to the kickstarter...

I don't believe the kickstarter has even gone live yet has it?

Derp: thought it was 7 sins for some reason. Ignore me.

Been live for a week mate.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/conan/description

Yeah, I saw the big Pride model and assumed it was another thread. I type faster than I think sometimes.

 pretre wrote:
Is there a post with a good recap? The first post doesn't even have a link to the kickstarter...

What are you after in a recap?

The current King level pledge contains *all* this:



The kickstarter URL is https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/conan/

Yeah, I found the KS link myself, which is how I got to this thread. Just wondering if there was a good summary post, since a lot of good KS threads have those. Guess not.


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 endtransmission wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Is there a post with a good recap? The first post doesn't even have a link to the kickstarter...

What are you after in a recap?

The current King level pledge contains *all* this:

The kickstarter URL is https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/conan/

That's pretty helpful. I dunno. Anything I need to know before pledging? Not reading through all of this thread.

I think they are understating what's in that expansion box. Then the other items can be "stretch goals" , not a good PR option, but the stretches have been getting blown out of the water, so anything is possible.

As for a round up....
Using the new PVC formula that the newest DUST figures is using, also being used for The Others.
Preassembled figs.
videos for gameplay are on the kickstarter page.
No Red Sonja as the rights for her are owned by Marvel, but any other character is possible.

Complaints
The usual: people want this to be a wargame not a board game, and more variety in the minions posing.
Some sculpts aren't living up to the artists drawings
And no one would ever hold an axe like that.

Oh and the colorblind coalition is up in arms that the dice colors might cause an issue to some players(I get that it could be an issue for some, but two days of hearing the lamentation of them would wear even on Conan)

That's what I was looking for. Thanks, Theophony!