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Ok so I've built a Necron list and it relies in my GA's reviving my warriors a lot and besides that they seem to have not her purpose but a vulnerable transport

Is there something I'm missing here?? Or am I right about their untended purpose


About the ap
So basically all I can find are the guns equipped in destroyers which are to expensive for their stats or a doom scythe or doomsday ark for semi reliable ap2/3

Am I missing something or is weight if shots enough to kill terminators??

YES!!!!! People might say im crazy but i love ghost arks. You can call this luck of the dice but last week i took out an astra vet squad and then a vendetta in the same game. Ghost arks are beast!!!! They are like 10 man warrior squads that repair other warrior squads. Except cheaper. I laid into my gfs 20 man warrior unit with pask and had her down to 13. After reanimation and repair barge she was back up to 20. I was butthurt. She took down pask the same turn haha

Ok so it did the same stuff a regular warrior squad did??

well i mean yes it does. but it does more as well. It has the repair barge special rule which is awesome. I mean if ur going against armor then d3 extra warriors with gauss aint nothing to sneeze at. it gives cover to ur warrior unit if you use it correctly. it also has all the other advantages of a skimmer. Im a guard player so the guard equivalent to the ghost ark is a chimera. a ghost ark is hands down better than a chimera imho. although a chimera is i think is about 70 pts less base. but if ur gonna add camo netting, dozer blade , and a weapon upgrade they are close. Im not sure what it is youre expecting it to do? but, for a transport you cant ask for anything more. What exactly is the issue your having with it and what part of av13 is weak? most guard is 13 12 10 for battle tanks and 12 10 10 for most everything else.

Im wiliing to be helpful, but is this just a joke?

as far as ap I mean who cares? 20 warriors with rapid fire hitting on 3s? thats 40 shots that hit on 3's. I dont remember termie stats but i think they are t5? so you wound on 5s. then the invuln but termies are never easy.

No it's not a joke


And besides ghost arks what about good ap2/3 weapons??

as far as ap I mean who cares? 20 warriors with rapid fire hitting on 3s? thats 40 shots that hit on 3's. dont remember termie stats but i think they are t5? so you wound on 5s. then the invuln but termies are never easy.

necrons arent the easiest to play you definitely need to choose targets wisely. if ur facing termies then Scarabs scarabs scarabs everywhere. full units they soak up fire like crazy if your opponent knows whats good for him. and we are just talkin bread and butter necron units here.

Vulnerable? AV13, 4 hull points, jink for 4+ cover. Open topped does reduce their durability some and expose the warriors to flamers but its not all that bad. But a relatively cheap for its durability objective secured transport that also heals warriors and has decent shooting to boot? They are good enough that many Necron players have started to take them over the previously auto-take night scythe. A mix of both is best though.

As far as ap2/3 weapons -- some armies are built around volume of fire ap4 to Ap- weapons. Necrons are such an army. That is why they have gauss rule, tesla, entropic strike, haywire, etc. They are not meant, nor do they need much AP2 or AP3 as long as you aren't taking tesla to the exclusion of all else.

Well I use them with a 20 warrior squad with 3 Annhilation barges as my main gunline in the army and people have just been focusing all their fire and popping 1 of not both of them by turn 2


No my only tesla is in my night scythes and Annhilation barges everything else is gauss

what are they taking it out with? are you using scarabs? also less barges more warriors

@OP,
I'm also curious how the opponent is taking out 2 GA in a single turn, particularly in T1 if you have night fight. (Drop melta?)

In 7th ed, Ghost arks are amazing. They have objective secured, are AV13, can Jink and can also repair warriors. Plus they have two gauss arrays which can shoot at different targets, which is really valuable against mech msu.

Thing is, you have to need those benefits in your list for it to mean anything. In any Maelstrom mission, they are gold.

As an example, a GA is 9" long. So, if you take a GA, put 5 warriors and a couple of lanceteks in it, you can control 2 objectives with ObSec at the same time. One is controlled by the GA, the other controlled by the unit in it (in 7th, the restriction on controlling objectives while embarked was removed).

So, in your case, you are using the GA to support your blob, and it's empty.

Therefore, it is a perfect opportunity to put 4 Lanceteks in it (Harbringers of Destruction) - 35pts each for S8 AP2 on an everliving character (so can precision shot).

If I feel a need for AP2, Lanceteks are my general choice.

As you are running a gunline, a stalker may also be a good option, because you get more AP2, plus twinlinking for the Lanceteks.

Other sources of possible equivalent AP2 is rending, which you get on wraiths, but also on Deathmarks.

hth

Leman russes fire prisms, crisis teams, hammerheads, lascannons anything high strength really

No I don't know how to use scarabs effectively yet so I don't play them


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This is the list I am running to a decent record of 34/9/13 win tie loss

Necrons 2000

185 Zandrekh

20 warriors 260 (Zandrekh)

2 ghost arks 230

20 warriors 260

2 night scythes 200
2x10 warriors 260
2 stormteks (50) voltaic staff

Triarch Stalker (heat ray) 150

3 Ab's 270

Royal court 160
1 vieltek (2 stormteks) 110


So I basically do a gunline

10 warriors in each ark supporting 20 warriors with Zandrekh giving tank hunter or counter attack sometimes. And I put my barges in the line as high S heavy support and it's the stalker to TL my warriors

I use the royal court as a suicide vehicle popper squad and the warriors in the scythes as enemy deployment zone fighters


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We mostly play purge in my store

But my list usually does great at objective games as well

You must be having some pretty bad luck!

Except for haywire equipped crisis suits, everything else needs to hit, a 4+ to glance (assuming S9 on front/side), then you have to fail your jink (4+, 3+ nightfight) and then they have to roll a 4+ (assuming AP1, 5+ for AP2) in order to explode it.

If you take lanceteks, you can take a solar pulse which will stack with your jink, so potentially you get 2 turns of 3+ protection.

Course, the upside is that if they are directing that much shooting at the GA, they aren't shooting your AB.

Ok no problem thats easy. take a unit (or 2)of 10 scarabs and run them at your opponent. I mean to start out with you dont really even need strategy. get them into CC and let entropic strike peel away armor points. they have 3 wounds and 4 attacks but they are NOT SURVIVABLE so you need a few. If nothing else it will buy you at least a turn or to while ur opponent goes nuts trying to take them down. they are CRUCIAL!!!! if the people at ur flgs dont mind go by i bag of 1 1/2 round wood circles from hobby lobby to use as their base to try them out with. itll cost you like$1.99. you will never stop using them.

also, unless the other players at the place you play are competitive to the point that these games arent fun I would be asking why they hadnt suggested scarabs sooner rather than wreaking havok on your army a few times and staying quiet.


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maybe you just werent listing upgrades but youre taking res orbs right?

Good list.

Scarabs would be useful in your list as a counter CC tarpit, but I don't really think you need them as more anti vehicle, there is plenty of gauss for that.

You could make the NS warrior squads 5 man, freeing up 130 pts. That's 8 scarab bases, which I'd split into 2 groups of 4. 4 are easy to hide and still pack enough hits on the charge to do something useful. Key thing is that they are fearless.

So, hide them near a blob, then if something nasty comes near, jump them out of hiding (remember they are beasts, so move 12") and tie that unit up. Use Z to give them furious charge for the +1 Str, because that makes them nasty.

Also, Z can give stealth, so you could potentially give one of your arks a 2+ save (Jink, nightfight, stealth) if you needed it.

I definitely dont come on here to argue, i come to help. I think Mark is giving sound advice and is obviously very knowledgeable. The only thing I will say is that scarabs are T3. Where I play there is ALOT of guard and SM . meltas and lascannons and.... well alot of other weapons will instant death scarabs... to death hahaha. I have to run more than 4. that may not be the case in every meta.

i38steelrain wrote:
I definitely dont come on here to argue, i come to help. I think Mark is giving sound advice and is obviously very knowledgeable. The only thing I will say is that scarabs are T3. Where I play there is ALOT of guard and SM . meltas and lascannons and.... well alot of other weapons will instant death scarabs... to death hahaha. I have to run more than 4. that may not be the case in every meta.

Absolutely agree - I'd prefer to have larger squads of scarabs as well and you are absolutely right - there is a lot of stuff out there that will ID them. Also, flamers or templates of any description are bad news. From a tactics/playability perspective, I'm always amused by the terror caused by small scarab units - it's surprising how often firepower that could be much more usefully devoted to something else goes towards killing 60pts of scarabs. However, as they are essentially tarpits/distractions, if the opponent wants to waste flamers/melta etc on 3-4 bases of scarabs, well, I'm good with that.

The primary advantage of groups of 3 or 4 scarabs is that they are really easy to hide out of LOS. And, in this case, the primary role is to simply tarpit a unit for a turn, which they should do providing they get the charge. However, ymmv applies big time - it does take some practice to develop a technique that works for you.

However, we may be getting a little OT. The 130 points would buy another GA with change, or if you dropped a warrior from each blob, you could get another stalker. I always prefer my stalkers in pairs. I also prefer them with TL Gauss cannons, but that is a personal preference for longer range.

Depending on how your Veiltek, 2xstormtek unit is working, you could also rework to take deathmarks.

So, drop 2x5 warriors (+130), take 5 deathmarks for veiltek (-95), change 2 stormteks to Lanceteks (-20), stalker to TL Gauss (-15). Lanceteks go into an ark for protection.

The advantage of Deathmarks is that you get the 2+ wounding mark on 1 squad (this makes a real mess of lascannon devastators btw) plus rending 4+ rapid fire sniper rifles after that (which can be handy against riptides, wraithknights etc). Plus, you get a couple of AP2 weapons and TL on the Stalker.

Y'all have solid advice and I thank you ill definitely use it in the future

And from what you have said I seem to be using them correctly so I guess I can't complain

But again thanks for y'all's advice but sadly I'm out if money do no new models for awhile hehe

 winterman wrote:
Vulnerable? AV13, 4 hull points, jink for 4+ cover. Open topped does reduce their durability some and expose the warriors to flamers but its not all that bad. But a relatively cheap for its durability objective secured transport that also heals warriors and has decent shooting to boot? They are good enough that many Necron players have started to take them over the previously auto-take night scythe. A mix of both is best though.

As far as ap2/3 weapons -- some armies are built around volume of fire ap4 to Ap- weapons. Necrons are such an army. That is why they have gauss rule, tesla, entropic strike, haywire, etc. They are not meant, nor do they need much AP2 or AP3 as long as you aren't taking tesla to the exclusion of all else.

Winterman's analysis is correct.
I've never used Ghost Arks in the 6th ed. But with the new scoring rules, they become useful in a Necron army.

Ghost arches are useful, a 20 man squad is already very durable in its own right so a decent armor save and re animation protocols, but with a ghost arch it is virtually indestructible. Armor 13 frount and side with 5+ jink if you move, and with one of the smallest rear armor zones in the game I find them quite effective. Putting 9 warriors and a haywire cryptech in there make it a very capable anti armor platform as it is open topped.

As far as ap weapons are concerned I've seen doomsday archs on a skysheild work wonders, also along the same lines were sentry pylons with focused death rays, and Warsythes are generally awesome but for the most part us robots rely on weight of wounds rather than high ap weapons. Tesla destructors, can't say enough good things about these weapons wounds for days and capable anti flyer because of tesla special rule.

MarkCron wrote:
@OP,

Therefore, it is a perfect opportunity to put 4 Lanceteks in it (Harbringers of Destruction) - 35pts each for S8 AP2 on an everliving character (so can precision shot).

No longer true. Char lost precision shot in 7Th.

Spoletta wrote:

MarkCron wrote:
@OP,

Therefore, it is a perfect opportunity to put 4 Lanceteks in it (Harbringers of Destruction) - 35pts each for S8 AP2 on an everliving character (so can precision shot).

No longer true. Char lost precision shot in 7Th.

thx for pointing that out. I missed that! That's sad

I think Night Scythes are better transports. Stick a squad of warriors or immortals in one and drop it on an objective.