do eldar respect grey knights?

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**Scorpionov**

As the title states since grey knights constantly fight a never ending war with the great enemies minions do the elder respect them more than the average human?

**Mr Morden**

Scorpionov wrote:
As the title states since grey knights constantly fight a never ending war with the great enemies minions do the elder respect them more than the average human?

Not sure that the Eldar would respect them - they may see them as more useful tools

Some may understand and appreciate them but they will be unusual..............

Also given that the GK would likely kill Eldar on sight as witches so interactions are unlikely unless under Inquisitorial instruction and even then the GK will be itching to cleanse them, like any other Astartes.

**Bharring**

If there were any Witches GKs would tolerate, it'd be CW Eldar. But that seems unlikely.

If Eldar were to respect any part of the Imperium (aside from pre-heresy Thousand Sons), it'd probably be GK, but they're still just sea slime.

**Ribon Fox**

Well since the GKs purged a deamon infestaion on the Craftworld Malan'tai thus saving countless Way stones I think that they might warm up to the GKs.

Also in older fluff isin't Brother Captain Stern one of a very few humans to have been granted access to the black library (the other being an Inquisator whos name I've forgoten)?

**PhillyT**

Eldar don't respect anyone. They are far too arrogant to feel anything other than another elder is more than a tool to be used for survival.

**daedalus**

Ribon Fox wrote:
Well since the GKs purged a deamon infestaion on the Craftworld Malan'tai thus saving countless Way stones I think that they might warm up to the GKs.

Also in older fluff isin't Brother Captain Stern one of a very few humans to have been granted access to the black library (the other being an Inquisator whos name I've forgoten)?

There were old stories of Eldar and GK and inquisitors having some level of cooperation, like the black library thing.

Also, in the GK Omnibus, there was a Striking Scorpion (who was really a DE Mandrake) on a Khorn gladiator world who worked with the main character who was a Justicar to get off the planet. It was not very well written though.

**Judge Dredd**

Nope. All Mon-keigh to them.

**jhe90**

They may be considered same as the rest of humans and there space marine forces, but the grey knights are more useful to them as they fight one of there most dangerous enemies.

**Farseer Morlengal**

As far as I know, there isn't much fluff linking the two. I thought there was a Farseer among the Prognosticars, but I can't find any proof so I must be wrong there. And, wouldn't the Grey Knights have problems with that Daemon the Eldar keep around: The Avatar of Khaine?

Truth is, when we talk about the Eldar, we are talking about a diverse and segmented race. So much so that certain Craftworlds don't trust all other Eldar and believe themselves to be the only uncorrupted survivors of the Fall. For simplicity, I'm assuming we are just talking about Craftworld Eldar. Most Eldar never see any humans outside of war. Even then, its usually in a preemptive strike. In the case of Chaos, this means culling the tainted before the taint can spread. Even then, this cull only happens if a Chaos Incursion would endanger their Craftworld. I believe this brings about the Eldars' opinion of the Humans, that they are weak-willed and meant to die. But this also brings about the Eldar reputation of duplicity and backstabbing. Since no actual incursion happens, just dead civilians with no warning, the Eldar look bad.

In contrast, the Grey Knight Prognosticars sense a coming Incursion and point their fellow Grey Knights in the direction to stop it. Now allow for travel time and the Grey Knights (usually but not always) either show up early to stop the worst from happening, or they show up in time to stop a full-scale Chaos incursion. Then they kill the witnesses to stop knowledge of them getting out and to stop any further spread of Chaotic Taint. Either way, some damage has been done.

The two aren't likely to ever meet. I seriously doubt most Eldar even know about the Grey Knights. The only well-known Craftworld I can think of that is known to go out of ,their way to stop Chaos is Ulthwe' Aside from the usual low opinion of Humanity, Ulthwe' probably wouldn't have much of a problem teaming up with the Grey Knights. Then they'd run away before their shiney, new allies turn on them.

Of special note are the Harlequins of the Laughing God. A separate Eldar faction, they are the ones responsible for defending the Black Library of Chaos as well as teaching the story of the Fall. To everybody, seriously they are known to visit Imperial worlds (though how anybody can understand a space-elf interpretive dancer is beyond me

). As far as I know, the Black Library is overseen by a council of Farseers made up from multiple Craftworlds, thus is also independent. It is said only Harlequin Solitaires may come and go as they please from the Black Library. With their ties to fighting Chaos and knowing all about it, as well as being okay to humans, I'd imagine a Harlequin would be the most likely to not only know of, but advocate aiding/ fighting alongside the Grey Knights.

**Deadshot**

They may aid each other and there may be a grudging respect between the two, less so than between say, the ultra-Xenophobic, witch hating Black Templars. At the same time, GK see them as a stain on the Imperium as per standard SM indoctrination, but a necessary one because they have access to the Webway, the Black Library and are occasional allies.
CWE eldar see GK as better than the average SM. Note Craftworld Malan'tai. Following its destruction, N'Kari (GD of Slaanesh) invaded intent on sucking down soul stones. The GK defeated the Daemonic Forces and stations a few score purifiers there, specifically to guard the Soul Stones until another Eldar ship arrived to reclaim them. Obviously, there would be a rough "Thanks" muttered and maybe a wary glance but no openly hostile actions.

**Bludbaff**

Average human, from Eldar perspective: filthy, feral dog that scavenges from garbage piles to survive

Grey Knight, from Eldar perspective: domesticated dog that will probably not poop on the rug, but you better not let him out of your sight just in case

That might be overly generous to the Grey Knights, actually.

**AegisGrimm**

The Eldar see them as an especially inventive Mon-Keigh weapon, but that's it. Especially because they fully realize the eagerness humans would have in using that weapon against Eldar lives.

**ahzek**

I don't think the eldar would give any level of humanity any more respect.
On the battlefield however they may have a grudging respect of their capabilities over other mon keigh.

This of course relies on them comprehending the difference between one human and another

**Bran Dawri**

AFAIK, Eldar opinion of normal humans is treally low, while their opinion of SM is slightly higher. SM are elevated to ignorant brutes instead of being mere pond scum.
I don't see why Eldar would make a distinction between blue-coloured brutes, grey coloured brutes, or silver coloured brutes, even if the latter show up a teensy bit more frequently where the Great Enemy is concerned (only 1,000 Grey Knights, and it's a big galaxy).

**Bharring**

Uthwe would be more involved in plots that involved GK success (They're more directly focused on fighting the Ruinous Powers than most), but GK would be just another pawn. A pawn that is much more easily used, and one who's goals coincide with being used by Uthwe most of the time, but still just a pawn.

**Farseer Morlengal**

AFAIK, Eldar view Space Marines as we might view a lion or an alligator: that is animalistic and beneath us, but still very, very dangerous.

As for respecting the Grey Knights, most Eldar are very psychically sensitive and Grey Knights are anathema to Chaos. If the average Craftworld Eldar can't notice that, than at least the Eldar Seers should. Some fluff has average Eldar warriors being able to recognize even low levels of Chaos Corruption. That shiny Space Marine with the crazy-pure psychic aura should be just as obvious.

As many have pointed out, there is very little reason for Eldar and GK to completely trust each other. However, it should be noted that as of more recent fluff (pause to insert rage here) Grey Knights have allied with Xenos in the past. This is hinted at in the story of The Vault of Labyrinths and how the GK came to possess Tesseract Labyrinths. If anything it's fairly easy to say that both sides would be amiable to (but still not happy about) working together to fight some Chaos.

After giving it some further thought, I'd even go so far as to say that both sides might even prefer those allies (specifically when fighting Chaos). After all the Eldar are those who survived and resisted Chaos, and still do to this day. No real need to purge them to prevent the spread of chaotic taint, and the Eldar know how to keep a secret. While the Grey Knights are some of, if not THE, best weapons to fight Chaos. And, if there is one thing the Eldar cannot forget, it's that (S)He Who Thirsts is the Eldar's Greatest Enemy.

**Tannhauser42**

Farseer Morlengal wrote:
However, it should be noted that as of more recent fluff (pause to insert rage here) Grey Knights have allied with Xenos in the past. This is hinted at in the story of The Vault of Labyrinths and how the GK came to possess Tesseract Labyrinths. If anything it's fairly easy to say that both sides would be amiable to (but still not happy about) working together to fight some Chaos.

Exactly. Grey Knights are Demonhunters, not Xenoshunters. If allying with the Xenos is what it takes to stop a Chaos invasion, then the Grey Knights will quite happily line up and shake hands with the Xenos and go kick some Chaos butt (metaphorically speaking). Now, what happens after the fight, can be something totally different and probably dependent on the Xenos.

As far as whether Eldar would "respect" the Grey Knights? They may respect the Grey Knights' capabilities, but not necessarily the Grey Knights themselves.

**Spetulhu**

ahzek wrote:
I don't think the eldar would give any level of humanity any more respect.
On the battlefield however they may have a grudging respect of their capabilities over other mon keigh.

This. Eldar might not respect a human, but they could respect his fighting (or other) skills. It's not an unknown thing for us either - modern day humans might despise "enemy X" and his elite guard, but we'll still grudgingly admit that they fought hard.

**Redseer**

Depends on the Eldar and the Knight. It is not unknown for eldar and humans to befriend one another (albeit exceptionally rare) but every eldar is different just like every human. If nothing else eldar and ordo malleus seem to get along well enough when it comes to fighting Chaos.

**Animus**

They do have some respect for them, if they know of them.

The Ghost Halls wrote:With his blade resting upon the deck, he stood in his scarred Terminator battleplate, ready to receive the xenos delegation.
There were five of them in all. Bedecked in long, flowing robes and crystalline hoods, they strode into the hall flanked by a dozen more guardian warriors armed with projectile rifles. Pelenas noted the runic talismans, the gemstones and intricate psi-webbing that festooned the seers’ panoply; though he did not doubt that their mastery was great, they put him in mind of nothing more than primitive totem-shamans. They regarded him with the cold, blue glare of their faceless masks as they approached.
The leading seer – a particularly lithe creature carrying a great staff that struck the deck noisily with every fifth step that he took – pointed at Pelenas with a slender finger.
‘Your presence here is a travesty, human,’ he uttered in harshly accented but flawless Gothic. ‘You trespass upon our domain. The lost souls of Craftworld Malan’tai – after the doom that has already been heaped upon them, how much more must they suffer at the hands of your ignoble breed?’
The delegation drew up before the Purifiers, surrounded by their guardians. Even armed for war, the eldar were as consumptive children before the hulking Space Marines.
Pelenas removed his helm, and handed it off to one of his brothers. ‘I am Brother-Captain Ornhem Pelenas, of the Grey Knights Chapter Adeptus Astartes,’ he said, ‘and I must beg your worthy forgiveness. I have no quarrel with you or your kind, xenos, and no servant of the Imperium knows the horrors of the warp better than the battle-brothers of Titan.’
Planting his blade before him, he and the Purifiers knelt as one in supplication before the startled seer council. For a long while, the hall was utterly silent. The captain drew a simple cloth bag from his belt, and held it out before him. It rattled with the handful of plucked eldar soul-stones that it contained – those that Pelenas had personally wrested from the hungry grasp of the warp-beasts that had overrun Malan’tai.
‘As was our message to you, we traced our daemonic enemies to this place, though I fear we arrived too late to save all the imprisoned spirits of your kinsmen. Our foe is vanquished for now, but this is your holy ground, and we have indeed besmirched it with our presence. I would not sully it further by leaving it unattended and open to the depredations of those-that-wait-beyond.’
The eldar were clearly staggered, though their discipline was enough that they managed to remain quietly aloof in spite of it. An attendant seer stepped forward and took the stones from Pelenas with a reverential nod, which the captain returned.
The leader of the delegation slid back his featureless visor, and bid the Grey Knights to rise. ‘Forgive me, Pelenas of Titan. We are... unused to seeing your kind, unless it be upon the field of war. The respect that you do us here is great, and will not be forgotten by the living or the dead.’ He gestured to his guardians, who parted to clear the way to the void-locks. ‘You will be accorded safe passage to your starship, and an escort from this system. As our honoured guests, if there is anything else you would have in return for this kindness, name it now.’
Pelenas drew a long, calming breath. When he spoke again, his voice was edged with bitterness.
‘There is nothing that you can offer us, xenos, except to know that we suffered greatly in preserving this place for you. The most noble of our number is fallen...’
He took his proffered helm, and gazed into its dark retinal lenses.
‘If you would praise the architect of Malan’tai’s deliverance, then remember he who gave his life most selflessly to defend it. He martyred himself so that we – so that I – might live to fight on against the daemon-spawn.’
The seer nodded.
‘So shall it be. This warrior shall be noted in the annals of my people.’

**Bharring**

makes me want to start a Malan'tai/ GK army.

**djones520**

Mr Morden wrote:
Scorpionov wrote:
As the title states since grey knights constantly fight a never ending war with the great enemies minions do the elder respect them more than the average human?

Not sure that the Eldar would respect them - they may see them as more useful tools Some may understand and appreciate them but they will be unusual..............

Also given that the GK would likely kill Eldar on sight as witches so interactions are unlikely unless under Inquisitorial instruction and even then the GK will be itching to cleanse them, like any other Astartes.

I think your confusing GK's with Sisters. Grey Knights hunt daemons, of which you'll find few consorting with the Eldar.

**Farseer Morlengal**

Animus wrote:They do have some respect for them, if they know of them.

The Ghost Halls wrote:

Okay, that was awesome, I'm going to have to keep an eye out for that book.

As for Eldar respect, I think that bit of story makes my awkward first post's point rather well. It isn't that the Eldar cannot have respect for others (of course not as much respect as they have for other Eldar, nobody is the Eldar's equal. Did I mention they have a massive superiority complex?), it is that history and current events have taught both sides to hate/ fear/ distrust each other. It's extremely unlikely a Craftworld Eldar (who are not signed up with trading vessels or with the Path of Rangers) will ever see any human outside of war. The Eldar are a very aloof people. (Except the Space Clowns. But, I'm not talking about them, now.) In and out of war, Eldar tend to see the less utopian human worlds and elements. Indentured Servants and how they are treated; how the IG/AM just spends human lives for trivial (to Eldar) goals, the list goes on of the perceived human failings. Put that along all the wars the Eldar have fought against the Imperium and you paint an ugly image of how the Eldar see general humanity: Brutish, backward simpletons, little better than the Orks.

Space Marines are better, but hide behind the meat-shields of humanity (IG). Dangerous zealots with a nobility all their own who, on rare occasions will listen to reason. (Usually more than the average human will.) However, as there are so few SM, Eldar are likely to only encounter them in battle. While obviously different than humans, SM will still suffer the majority of human stereotypes because of battle doctrine (when the Eldar are pulled into a prolonged war, SM will fight alongside IG) and that gene-seed or not: SM are still (kind-of) human.

That said, Grey Knights are so impossibly rare and almost completely unheard of that, outside of those few odd circumstances, Eldar and Grey Knights would never run into each other. Especially when both sides wage their wars against Chaos so differently. The Grey Knights are actually a pretty cool chapter to Xenos (relative to the rest of the Imperium), provided you have nothing to do with Chaos. If The Grey Knights ever met the Eldar, the two factions would not have any real problems with each other. The Grey Knights are largely independent and focus on Daemons, so don't usually go out of their way to fight the Imperium's war against Xenos, it would detract from their Chapter's mission. Because of GK's noble and uncorruptible nature, Eldar would likely have nothing but as much respect as an Eldar can have for a brutish, simplistic and ultimarely beneath-the-Eldar species. (I did mention a massive superiority complex earlier

)

Unless the GK see the Avatar the Eldar keep around. Then fight on! (joking

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**Inquisitor Bob**

1st human: wow that chimp can sign language.. And paint some green on a canvas
2nd human:yep
1st human: should we start paying them by the hour and give them workplace rights now
2nd human: *slaps 1st*

Now replace humans with elder and chimp with humans..

Also it is important to note GK want to wipe the galaxy of demons for the galaxies sake..
Eldar want to rule the galaxy and demons get I their way/threaten their souls.. If demons only went after humans, eldar would give them less attention than they do Tau

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also it's just as important to know that GK know the eldar's priorities and visa versa.. Makes alliances a bit tense when you know Russia's only helping you against Germany because they are under attack too...

**Mr Morden**

djones520 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Scorpionov wrote:
As the title states since grey knights constantly fight a never ending war with the great enemies minions do the elder respect them more than the average human?

Not sure that the Eldar would respect them - they may see them as more useful tools Some may understand and appreciate them but they will be unusual..............

Also given that the GK would likely kill Eldar on sight as witches so interactions are unlikely unless under Inquisitorial instruction and even then the GK will be itching to cleanse them, like any other Astartes.

I think your confusing GK's with Sisters. Grey Knights hunt daemons, of which you'll find few consorting with the Eldar.

Not really - they are Xenos and Witches - both an anathema to all Astartes, the fact that the Grey Knights and other Chapters Librarians are psykers is irrelevant, the Emperor sais they were ok - so that's all good.

The fluff that the GK's did safeguard the lost Eldar Craftworld is however very interesting..............