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Okay, so Im pretty damn new to 7th edition, and as a rule, I always kept away from Apocalypse and escalation when it was released. From what I read, and from the new Orks codex I picked up, it would seem that a person cant keep Gargantuan Creatures and super heavies out of the game anymore. Already at my FLGS people have been fielding Stompas and Baneblades in normal 2,000 pts matches. So, now for my question, can I take a Hierodule onto the fields of 7th edition to level the playing fields against the super heavies I have breathing down my neck?

Yes.

Yes but Baine Blades and a lot of Super Heavies aren't worth their points my competitive lists drool when I see them.

I am not sure the Hierodule is either I;d pref the Harridan or Bio Titan.

Yes, using the escalation supplement, and the forge world rules, to field it as a lord of war. This has some additional disadvantages as detailed in escalation.


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Although! Forgeworld have teased that ithe tyranid imperial armour is the next release! So could be more options coming.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
This has some additional disadvantages as detailed in escalation.

Those only apply to Escalation missions. See the FAQ.

 grendel083 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
This has some additional disadvantages as detailed in escalation.

Those only apply to Escalation missions. See the FAQ.

Well that is unbelievably stupid. does anyone have an updated digital version to confirm that is the intent of the errata? Feels very unbalanced :(

 Purifyingflame_7 wrote:
Okay, so Im pretty damn new to 7th edition, and as a rule, I always kept away from Apocalypse and escalation when it was released. From what I read, and from the new Orks codex I picked up, it would seem that a person cant keep Gargantuan Creatures and super heavies out of the game anymore. Already at my FLGS people have been fielding Stompas and Baneblades in normal 2,000 pts matches. So, now for my question, can I take a Hierodule onto the fields of 7th edition to level the playing fields against the super heavies I have breathing down my neck?

That depends.

The BRB says that a LoW can be part of a CA detachment.
The BRB says that you can find a list of LoW models in the Escalation book and the codices.
The Escalation book allows for the Stompa and various baneblade variants, but does not mention the Heriodule.

Forge world has released a .pdf list of which of their models they feel are appropriate for use as a LoW. This included the Heirodule.

So, if your group are willing to accept that what FW says are okay, are in fact OK... they you may use the Heirodule. If your group does not recogonize FW as part of 'standard' 40K, then there is an issue.

coredump wrote:
If your group does not recogonize FW as part of 'standard' 40K, then there is an issue.

The Escalation book includes the Thunderhawk, Revenant Titan, Tiger Shark, and the Harridan, all of which are FW models. If that isn't an indication that FW is usable in "standard" 40K as LoW choices then I don't know what is...

 Lord_Mortis wrote:

coredump wrote:
If your group does not recogonize FW as part of 'standard' 40K, then there is an issue.

The Escalation book includes the Thunderhawk, Revenant Titan, Tiger Shark, and the Harridan, all of which are FW models. If that isn't an indication that FW is usable in "standard" 40K as LoW choices then I don't know what is...

Its a very clear indication that they wanted *those* specifice models to be accessible as LoW. They could have listed more of them, or they could have mentioned even the possibility in the brand new BRB. But they didn't.


The only source saying they are okay is from FW. So it depends on how your group feels about FW.

The rule book states all GW sources are ok which by definition includes FW

Can you cite that rule please?

Word on the street is if you take 2 CADs you get 2 LoW slots and 2 fortification slots..if you take 3 CADs...

yeah, one of the other differences between 6th and 7th.

coredump wrote:
Can you cite that rule please?

Page 116 boxout, ia is a gw publication.

That rule does not say all publications have valid rules, just that the valid rules are in various publications.

Logic error.

Nope, tells you where rules are found. Given it is a GW publication, you have to prove it cannot be used. Over to you, page and para

I have the electronic version. So I am assuming you are refering to the Choosing Your Army section, the Army List Entries boxout...

"The rules for your Citadel miniatures are found in a wide range of Games Workshop publications, such as codexes, codex supplements and dataslates."

1) That statement is *not* the equivalent of saying that all GW publications have rules for standard 40K. It is not the equivalent of saying that every GW publication has rules for standard 40K. That is an assumption that you are making... but it is not inherent to that sentence.

2) Considering the size of the rulebook, and the multiple times it mentions codexes, supplements, dataslates...as well as specific books such as Escalation. That one sentence seems like a very weak hook to hang the claim that *every* GW publication should be treated the same as the ones specifically mentioned in the rule book.

3) Since you find that sentence to be so important... please explain which FW book gives rules for using Citadel miniatures.

Curious how they mention Dataslates / Datasheets isn't it....
Almost like the Authors intended for Rules to be released through other Game-work approved sources, either as stand alone dataslates that come with Models or as a collection of dataslates in an officially released source book.

1) I never said "all". Just that if it is a GW publication that says it has rules for 40k, that means it is "legal".

All my IA books are GW publications.
"Such as". Non exhaustive. Said this at least twice now. Means "not complete"

Hierodule is perfectly legal as a lord of war. Just look at JY2's post about tyranid tactics located here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3960/572843.page

He gives an overview of EVERY LORD OF WAR FOR TYRANIDS THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.

Have fun.