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Awesomeness...this will go great with my "all-in-one" home brew chapter of Space Marineeeees!

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, looks like a mix of old and new models, most likely just the characters being new.

Don't have much hope for a discount on the bundle, but hey, GW did crazier things. Got myself a bunch of Wraith things from that bundle they did some time ago.

The "one click collections" haven't saved a penny, but a ton of other bundles they've done (12 boyz and a trukk, the big Terminator strikeforce) have come out recently and saved a healthy amount of money. I wouldn't be too surprised if this had a bit of a discount too.

This is kind of a first for them, isn't it? A non-starter box set with two armies in it? I think Epic had something similar (and their board games of course) but this seems unprecedented if it's not a new starter.

If the Termy box did have a saving then it seems likely this will too. It is unprecedented, but it makes sense, as it does lower the entry cost a bit if two players can split it, so it works out maybe less per player than the alternative, the Strike Force type boxes.

One thought that did occur to me is that if DV has vanished, is this GW's new approach to 'starter sets'? Campaign themed sets that have enough for two players, no rulebook and with normal models? Part of me wonders if they are trying to move away from the snap-fit models in a petty attempt to cut down on the 3rd party resellers splitting DV boxes. It seems the GW thing to do to cut down on the availability of cheaper models so people (in theory) buy more from them.

What if it's another starter box? I.e. it's basically exactly the same as DV, just with two different armies. It makes sense from a financial point of view as, for most people, a starter set is an attractive purchase they're just put off by being burdened with armies they dislike. Having two (or several) starter sets with different combinations of armies would sell more starter sets overall, especially considering there'd be plenty of people who'd buy more than one.

 The Shadow wrote:
What if it's another starter box? I.e. it's basically exactly the same as DV, just with two different armies. It makes sense from a financial point of view as, for most people, a starter set is an attractive purchase they're just put off by being burdened with armies they dislike. Having two (or several) starter sets with different combinations of armies would sell more starter sets overall, especially considering there'd be plenty of people who'd buy more than one.

It's possible, but you'd think they'd show off the new models (not just one) on the WD cover, whereas those GH are the normal plastic ones. I agree it would make sense, which is exactly why I can't see it happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, looks like a mix of old and new models, most likely just the characters being new.

Don't have much hope for a discount on the bundle, but hey, GW did crazier things. Got myself a bunch of Wraith things from that bundle they did some time ago.

If it comes in its own box? It will have a discount.

If it's just a collection of loose boxes/"one-click bundle"? No discount.

It's a box. The screenshot says as much.

Ahhhh! What I feared...a big expensive box with one new model (that I care about). And even worse, the model looks pretty great. Hopefully, Grukk is included and I can split the misery of buying a bunch of stuff I already own.

Nice catch on the throwback to the 2000 Codex artwork. Wolves went 9 years between early 3rd and 5th edition Codicies.

 pretre wrote:
Mexican Ork is a facebook group:

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Here's the WD in question:



Kinda dispels the whole new starter thing if they intend to do that.


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Just re-read that rumor and it doesn't say starter. Just boxset. Interesting...

Maybe they'll be running DV among side the new box set, so then people will have more choice in starter boxes and GW can make more money.

Does anyone remember what the Dark Vengeance White Dwarf cover was? Was it just the one with the Dark Angel with a bolter and chainsword artwork?

I know it's very unlikely if it's a new starter set to have normal Grey Hunters with a new character on the front but maybe isn't necessarily proof that it isn't a starter set?

swalker91 wrote:
Does anyone remember what the Dark Vengeance White Dwarf cover was? Was it just the one with the Dark Angel with a bolter and chainsword artwork?

I had look and it's the same Dark Angel artwork as was in the Company veterans section of the new codex, but on a white background.

I prefer the old WD covers, they look better than pictures of miniatures and huge plain text on the newer covers.

I looks weird to me that they release a box of old SW just before a presumed codex release.

Crom Dragongaze is the wolflord that is rumoured to have some psychic powers according to the fluff.
Could this be a stop gap for SW, fixing their recent rune priest nerf, because they are not relly in for a new dex this year?

Edit: hey, its not krom Im thinking about, its kjarl. Sorry about that.

Hmm... That is interesting... Since my own SW army is painted up as Krom Dragongaze's Great Company, that might actually tempt me to buy some GW stuff again. But, if that character is only available in a larger boxed set, I may be looking more towards eBay than retail...

Be interesting to see, however, if the Great Company iconography is just painted on or if it's sculpted. I could certainly see reasons for GW to go with the former over the latter but that would make it less interesting to me.

Valete,

JohnS

This seems like a good move on GWs half, put 2 popular armies together in a box, give them so fluff and extras and it can appeal to many players, I reckon we'll see more of these such as Nids against IG as a last stand style thing, chaos marines against standard space marines and maybe an Elder against Dark eldar?

Depending upon the price, I might have to get this Space wolves vs orks one, mainly because that captain is a pretty swish model... All depends on price though

WayneTheGame wrote:
Ironically my issue with SW is the same as every other Marine; it's the furthest thing from "forge the narrative" to have two Imperial armies fight each other.

Every faction of humanity distrusts every other faction of humanity.

Space Wolves are not only a monstrosity of genetic tampering, they are mutated, and refuse follow codex astartes.

I would like to see this along side other starter sets so people have more options for getting into the game. I doubt I would ever buy enough models to have a usual game size force from GW going forward but I could see myself buying a starter set or two as time went on for some nice models to paint as long as they are from different armies. Especially for use with Kill team rules.

Wasn't there a rumor that the new "starter boxes" wouldn't contain a full rulebook? Maybe that's what this is. I have to say the idea of a "Campaign Box" is interesting, just the way GW operates with 40k it doesn't seem that it can work, because they can't give you enough to do the campaign in the box so it has to be enough to whet your appetite, with the idea that you'll be hooked on the armies and buy more.

If we are convinced this isn't a new starter box, can we change the thread title in the OP so people stop popping in thinking it's about a starter box ?

I don't have an interest in anything but the mini-rulebook, but I believe that it's a GREAT move if they have Dark Vengeance and the SW vs. whatever boxed set on the shelves at the same time...

Are the Terminators in the background old WolfGuard models or something new? I'm not familiar enough with them to know.

They're the normal Wolf Guard Termies:

Where the Grukk is a picture of the Ork warlord?

Updated. After reading more, not so sure it's a starter set. Still left start set in brackets, because of the rumors I quoted from Natfka.

To me it seems it's a boxset set. May or in my opinion no rule book in it. Might be nice if we can get some savings, and looking forward to more.

Davor wrote:
Updated. After reading more, not so sure it's a starter set. Still left start set in brackets, because of the rumors I quoted from Natfka.

To me it seems it's a boxset set. May or in my opinion no rule book in it. Might be nice if we can get some savings, and looking forward to more.

you also updated it from the fuuuuutuuuuure

If there is a picture of the cover, the answers lie beneath it. We should know in the next few days what the contents/price are.

Alaric Prime is a planet sundered by war as the Orkish Hordes assail the last bastion of resistance, Sacred Mountain. Imperial Knights and Cadians regiments are all but defeated. Face Rippas death was exaggerated, Krom Dragongaze, a new special character for Space Wolves is set for epic clash as the second installment of Sanctus Reach continues.

See? GW doesn't need to ever make new models for IG infantry because Cadians defend EVERYWHERE in the Imperium, I mean it's not like their primary purpose is fighting at the Eye of Terror or anything or that other sections of the Imperium have their own-non cadian regiments

Clearly Cadians are a mutant strain of Orkoid life, changed to look and act more human. They still multiply via spores though, and this explains why they are everywhere.

And interest dropped even farther. Was really hoping for some BA action.

This speaks for itself.

Now I just need to wait and see if the rumors of Plastic Plague Marines is true. Otherwise, might be time to howl at the moon