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I just saw Forge World's profile for Bran Redmaw in Imperial Armor Volume 11. It's insanely good.

 Kirasu wrote:
Ragnar being dropped is just as absurd as people thinking Ghazghull might get dropped.. Chenkov and Al'Rahem had almost no fluff outside of their own little blurbs..

GW isn't going to drop any of the main SW characters..

Especially since they just featured Ragnar in WD as one of the pre-eminent planetary assault specialists. Might the Stormclaw be SC+SW pack+drop pod?

I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.

That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.

Random Dude wrote:
If the new SW codex is changed in similar ways to the SM codex I'll be happy. My wish list: Grey Hunters drop in points, Wolf Lords given more wounds and eternal warrior, Knight sized wolf, some sort of flyer defense (maybe flak missiles for Long Fangs).

I'd love to see Flak missiles for Long Fangs, but if they do a Knight-sized wolf I might actually resort to a table flip.

They are called Space Wolves by others. The Doom Eagles don't have giant eagles. The Raven Guard don't have giant ravens. The Minotaurs don't have giant bull-men. The Salamanders don't field giant lizards. The Carcharodons don't field fricking sharks with laser beams on their heads. Having Fenrisian wolves as attendants/packs was one thing, but GW and this wolf thing with the Sons of Russ is driving me nuts. It's the one thing more cartoonish than the Blood Angels with their Blood Talons and Bloodstrike Missiles and Blood-arangs and Blood-copters. "Are they the Space Wolves because they are dangerous, wild predators who use their pack loyalty to bring down the foe and harry him across the stars? Nope. They ride wolves and have wolf pets and stuff."

It's also kind of weird for the Space Wolves themselves. I mean, the Salamanders go out and defeat these dangerous, fire-resistant lizards to demonstrate their heroism, and then wear the skins. The Space Wolves do the same, but then also master the packs and ride them. "I'm gonna kill your leader, wear his fur as a cape, pull his fangs and wear those too, and then, I will tell you what to do--okay?"

I'm sorry. I know that likes and dislikes are all personal, and I'm not trying to insult your tastes. I'm just posting the fact that your wish list is, in this way, about the 180° opposite of mine.

 carlos13th wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.

If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?

The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.

Kinda sucks though if you painted up a bunch of models you really like and they never leave the shelf because they are useless in game.

Yep, got a bunch of 'em.

But then, some of the stuff I seldom used has become stronger now, and when the next Codex update/next edition rolls around, it will change again. Also, the number of units that are bad enough to be truly useless in game are comparatively few (technically none, but Mandrakes, Pyrovores and Penitent Engines are doing their best!) there's just a lot of sub-optimal stuff. Nobody says you can't use them, you just aren't best advised on taking them to tournies.

So to get this back on track: I'm seriously considering getting this boxed set, especially if the SCs look like that! I also recon that it's basically going to be 2 mini versions of say, the Cadian defense force style boxes packaged together with the addition of the SCs, a dataslate and maybe some other campaign-relevant fluff/rules and maybe even some SW specific cards!

But yeah, I'm getting quite pumped for this - just hoping the whole thing won't cost me an arm and a leg to buy

Da Butcha wrote:
The Minotaurs don't have giant bull-men. The Salamanders don't field giant lizards. The Carcharodons don't field fricking sharks with laser beams on their heads.

And we all suffer for the loss.

If anyone wants to jot my name down. If you buy this boxed set for SW, I'll be interested in going halves with anyone for the Ork'ses


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 notprop wrote:
I was told yesterday by a GW manager (that knows I'm waiting off 7th until a mini book comes along) that DV was no longer available for restocking/order, in a "take what you can from that" kinda way, seems he's been scooped in a big way by this!

He did have the objective cards that everyone was in stock on Thursday for about 5 minutes and is expecting more. Saw a stack of them at Wayland today as well.

My FLGS owner told me GW wouldn't take his last boxed set back. He's just going to sell the new rule book at a discount to whoever buys the old starter

New Wolfbox? I still want my new CSM sculpts :(

No one said anything about new sculpts bar the character.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.

That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.

Marbo was also a blatant rip off of something well known outside GW. Every other SC out there is fairly unique and connected to 40k - I don't look at anything and see any themes beyond what it already had. Marbo...well, his name was an anagram for crying out loud.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.

That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.

Marbo was also a blatant rip off of something well known outside GW. Every other SC out there is fairly unique and connected to 40k - I don't look at anything and see any themes beyond what it already had. Marbo...well, his name was an anagram for crying out loud.

Yeah, they just had a fairly expensive court case where GW designers and legal people insisted (with perfectly straight faces) that all of their designs come entirely out of their designer's heads with no outside influence.

Having 'Sly Marbo' in their miniature collection was just asking for trouble in light of that claim...


The existing Space Wolf characters don't have a similar problem. Clearly vikings were GW's idea.

Marbo may be a fan favorite but he's no creed or yarrick in terms of fluff. Not like anyone cared about him prior to his ability to be a Jack in the box demo charge. Pretty much all the sm characters stay because they've been far more iconic than catachan Rambo.

I am mildly interested depending on what's in the box and the price.

I'm not sure if it's been posted already
box content:
1 x Ork force made-up of 5 Ork Nobz; 10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; and 3 Killa Kans
1 x Space Wolf force made-up of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators; 5 Grey Hunters; and 5 Blood Claws
2 x brand new plastic characters - Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa and Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules

for a price just a little shy of 100 euro

Oh and it's while stocks last.

 fulop78 wrote:
I'm not sure if it's been posted already
box content:
1 x Ork force made-up of 5 Ork Nobz; 10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; and 3 Killa Kans
1 x Space Wolf force made-up of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators; 5 Grey Hunters; and 5 Blood Claws
2 x brand new plastic characters - Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa and Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules

for a price just a little shy of 100 euro

Oh and it's while stocks last.

That's £80 for us Brits and 135USD. Not a bad price at all, I think, especially if it does contain a rulebook and a snazzy campaign booklet too. Hoping this is true!

That seems like an ork force that'd get smeared by an overly strong breeze.

Well that's certainly interesting if true,

small rule book included means it is a traditional starter not just a 'campaign' box


here's the value breakdown for the UK

5 Ork Nobz; £15.50
10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; £10
3 Killa Kans £28
5 Wolf Guard Terminators; £28
5 Grey Hunters; £11.50
5 Blood Claws £11.50
Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa £15 (min est)
Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze £15 (min est)

total minis value £134.5 (probably more as I think the characters are underestimated)

1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules

It amazes me they went for Gretchin over Boyz, it seems like a very odd choice unless there's a fluffy reason for it. And do they really expect people to play missions using that box? I mean, the Wolf Lord and Terminators could probably solo that Ork army with the right setup!

Still, decent discount if true, but not something I'll be buying. The Wolf Lord I'm not fussed about (Ragnar for the win!), the Warboss is very similar and in my view worse than the AOBR one, and the Wolves I can get cheaper from online stores. 10 Gretchin aren't going to do anything, my brother has Nobz by the dozen from AOBR, and the Kans, while nice, won't justify the rest.

And it's limited, but contains the small rulebook? Dare I say it, are we entering an age of monthly/bi-monthly 'starter' bundles with repackaged models, a couple of unique figures and not a lot else?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
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here's the value breakdown for the UK

5 Ork Nobz; £15.50
10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; £10
3 Killa Kans £28
5 Wolf Guard Terminators; £28
5 Grey Hunters; £11.50
5 Blood Claws £11.50
Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa £15 (min est)
Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze £15 (min est)

total minis value £134.5 (probably more as I think the characters are underestimated)

1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules

If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz, which are pretty useless and fetch pennies on eBay. But it will still be a bargain if you sell/trade the bits you don't need on. I have one AOBR warboss on a bike, and two spare, yet dang me I'm still hankering for another one.

But if it's no rules, then it's no deal

So basically the 2 monopose characters and the rulebook are free with the purchase of a random assemblage of SW and Orks.

No thank you.

This is a massive price increase compared to every previous starter, isn't it? If the rumours are right, and it is a starter? I can remember getting Assault on Black Reach for not much more than £30 (admittedly from a discounter). This looks like being double that in five years...

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz, which are pretty useless and fetch pennies on eBay.

I use them as 'Ard Boyz.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
This is a massive price increase compared to every previous starter, isn't it? If the rumours are right, and it is a starter? I can remember getting Assault on Black Reach for not much more than £30 (admittedly from a discounter). This looks like being double that in five years...

Point me in the direction of that discount store. All starter sets I can remember (since Maggrace) have been at least £50. The ones more recently have been £60-£65. Iirc. £80 is an increase, but, considering recent price hikes, not a sharp one at all.

Wasn't Dark Vengeance £65?

My recollection is AOBR was £60 retail before it was discontinued. Altho' Dark Vengeance looks to have had way more, more complex pieces, including the Hellbrute.

I seriously doubt that's the content of the box am sure we will find out the truth of it at the weekend.

Its the 3 kans that make me doubt it the most
And the 5 of each the grey hunters and blood claws

10penceman wrote:
I seriously doubt that's the content of the box am sure we will find out the truth of it at the weekend.

Its the 3 kans that make me doubt it the most
And the 5 of each the grey hunters and blood claws

3 Kans have the same retail as 5 Wolf Guard Termys, so seems fine to me.

 fulop78 wrote:

1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules

Ah, the number of pages seems promising. I suspected the rulebook would lack vehicles rules and other essentials like earlier rumors suggested.

It was from Gifts for Geeks:

Bullet Point Order total: 66.45 GBP
Card used: The Co-operative Bank Plc, United Kingdom - Visa Debit / Delta - XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX - Attempt:1
Bullet Point You bought: Purchases from Gifts For Geeks website (Order Number: 090204-19234030)
Description Quantity Item Value Item Tax Item Total Line Total
Assault On Black Reach 1 30.00 0.00 30.00 30.00
Hobby Starter Set 1 22.50 0.00 22.50 22.50
Chaos Black Spray Paint (Great Britain Only) 1 6.00 0.00 6.00 6.00
Shipping (DHL UK Only) 1 7.95 0.00 7.95 7.95

That's £30 for AoBR, plus shipping. February 2009.

Eh... I have to say that doesn't really seem that tempting if it's just 5 Termies, 5 Hunters and 5 Claws, even with the cool Krom Dragongaze mini. It's not like I expected a full army or anything, but I did kind of expect more than that, at least a real core to the army.

The Orks though, ouch. That seems to lend more credence to the fact it's basically intended to show that whole "noble Imperium versus evil Xenos" Saturday morning cartoon nonsense which seems to be the new direction GW is going.