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 pretre wrote:

 ashikenshin wrote:
Gretchin for scratch built mek gunz?

Exactly. 3 kans plus 10 grots is 3 Mek guns.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It'd it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

They gotta get rid of their stock somehow.

It's a shame - I sold off my 2 sets of AOBR Orks last year, because I figured there'd never be an affordable way to expand on them (well that - and I wasn't keen on painting a zillion orks). This would have been a nice, cheap complement to them. And I really like the new Warboss, particularly his squig.

I hope they do something like this for Fantasy some time though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Probably so that a person can buy this and the Ork Mek Mob box and get a good core to an Ork force without any duplicate units. Or you can add a box of Boyz in a Trukk.

And weren't people talking about using minimum squads of grots as troops to open up more FOCs? Well here's some grots to do it with!

$190AUD? Grrr. Well, maybe I'll import one. I wouldn't mind getting the set just to paint up 2 opposing forces for little campaign based games with friends. Might add a box of boyz. But for $190AUD? That's pushing it a bit. I do like the SW special character and could use another 5 termies and 10 GH.

Presuming Grukk and Krom are both individual mini-sprues, and this box in a one-time release, does that suggest both mini-sprues will be individually available at some point?

I hope so, coz Grukk is the only thing I want out of that box, already having the other orky bits.

I do hope this is not the future of 40K starter sets, but if it's just a one-time release, I don't have a problem with it...

 Clang wrote:
Presuming Grukk and Krom are both individual mini-sprues, and this box in a one-time release, does that suggest both mini-sprues will be individually available at some point?

No, probably no.

when i heard it was wolves i was a bit bummed out, but the ork set compliments what I've got perfectly. was planning on getting some kans and gretchin anyway. earlier someone mentioned "mini rule book" but i can't find any details, so is this a proper starter set? if so, i am so in

Seems like more of a catch up to the new edition set with some bonus campaign stuff. No dice or templates etc.

 Gargskull wrote:
Seems like more of a catch up to the new edition set with some bonus campaign stuff. No dice or templates etc.

Yes, because it's not a starter set!!!

How many times must this be said?

If this set is intended to be a starter then it is plain lazy, there are next to no exclusive models like those included in the Dark Vengeance kit, something which really attracted me to the set.

Not sure where they're going with the set anyway, really? Space Wolves and not Nilla marines? I know which one is more popular...


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If this set is intended to be a starter then it is plain lazy, there are next to no exclusive models like those included in the Dark Vengeance kit, something which really attracted me to the set.

Not sure where they're going with the set anyway, really? Space Wolves and not Nilla marines? I know which one is more popular...


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 Gargskull wrote:
Seems like more of a catch up to the new edition set with some bonus campaign stuff. No dice or templates etc.

I've got loads of that stuff, i would be fine with just a mini rulebook and the minis. I will likely use the wolves as chaos marines. I do quite like the wolf terminators, might use them as the free retinue for zhufor

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Remember the days of 2nd ed where you had 20 marines, 20 orks, 40 gretchin and a cardboard cutout of a dreadnought? As well as cardboard scenery. All for £40 (or equivalent)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gargskull wrote:
Seems like more of a catch up to the new edition set with some bonus campaign stuff. No dice or templates etc.

Yes, because it's not a starter set!!!

How many times must this be said?

Er, I didn't say it was. I was replying to the post above mine.

 Brother Payne wrote:
I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.

You think a company basing its prices on exchange rates from a decade ago is reasonable. Thats cute.
I might just fly over to Australia, grab 3 sets, and fly back... all for less than buying 3 sets here.

Alabaster.clown wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.

You think a company basing its prices on exchange rates from a decade ago is reasonable. Thats cute.
I might just fly over to Australia, grab 3 sets, and fly back... all for less than buying 3 sets here.

I'm a little confused as to what you're insinuating, but I wholeheartedly acknowledge that NZ prices are even worse than what we've got here.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Remember the days of 2nd ed where you had 20 marines, 20 orks, 40 gretchin and a cardboard cutout of a dreadnought? As well as cardboard scenery. All for £40 (or equivalent)

Does anyone remember stepping on one of those gretchin? Good lord, I'm lucky I don't still have a helmet spike embedded in my heel.

I always hope to read a battle report at an official tournament where somebody fields a few cardboard dreadnaughts.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.

Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).

Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.

Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.

 TedNugent wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.

Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).

Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.

Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.

Not only that...but since this isn't a starter, why would they give you a "starter" amount of models/selection?

This set compliments the Mek Mob box fairly well. It would compliment the Space Wolf Battleforce as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.

Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).

Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.

Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.

Not only that...but since this isn't a starter, why would they give you a "starter" amount of models/selection?

This set compliments the Mek Mob box fairly well. It would compliment the Space Wolf Battleforce as well.

Well... it comes with a small-form rulebook, and two forces, and a campaign book to top it off as well as a small "Here's some scenarios using the forces we provided" booklet IIRC. Other than the fact GW bills it as not being a starter set, what exactly makes it not a starter set? If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck but calls itself a dog, is it a duck?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.

Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).

Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.

Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.

Not only that...but since this isn't a starter, why would they give you a "starter" amount of models/selection?

This set compliments the Mek Mob box fairly well. It would compliment the Space Wolf Battleforce as well.

Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.

As far as the unit choice, saying that this represents the worst models in the codex isn't really accurate. nobs in heavy armor with klaws mixed in work fine. Kans are still about as good as they were before, they just don't hit as hard. But spawned en masse, they are quite difficult to deal with for opponents. Snagging a couple of these boxes will let me pump out another 10 flashgitz (mixed with that kit) get to 18 cans, and I can always use more gretchin.

Gretchin are the gate way to multiple FOC, which is essential in many set up to good ork lists.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?

Remember the days of 2nd ed where you had 20 marines, 20 orks, 40 gretchin and a cardboard cutout of a dreadnought? As well as cardboard scenery. All for £40 (or equivalent)

Does anyone remember stepping on one of those gretchin? Good lord, I'm lucky I don't still have a helmet spike embedded in my heel.

Yes. Many many times since I used to play 40k on the lounge floor at that time. I also remember my father putting one on a bonfire for Guy Fawkes (he's never been a big fan of my hobby) and to my amazement it survived. Not even melted a little bit!

Back on topic- if you don't like Gretchin you're doing Orks wrong

Only problem I have with this box is lack of Boyz. I mean, Gretchin? Wtf?

Other than that, I don't see why the moaning - sure it's not quite as good deal as bona fide starter box, but still good discount by GW standards. Since it seems obvious that DV is going to make a return after this one sells out, this is not a replacement for previous starter boxes either and criticizing it compared to them is pointless. I really hope they make more boxes like this.

The Warboss might be vaguely similar to AOBR warboss, but recycling (or 'paying tribute') old models is not a new phenomenon. In fact, old metal warboss was also duplicated:

Yeah but there's a reason why a lot of GW's metal models were the same model done over and over again with slight variations (their Necromunda range is a wonderful example of this). That's just the norm for these sorts of metal models (and they were metal when originally created). For a plastic one though... I mean you've got to make a new expensive mould, why remake essentially the same model?

Alabaster.clown wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.

You think a company basing its prices on exchange rates from a decade ago is reasonable. Thats cute.
I might just fly over to Australia, grab 3 sets, and fly back... all for less than buying 3 sets here.

You can get a return flight from NZ at $96 (given current exchange rates that's about what you'll save)? I need to fly to NZ for more holidays if it's that cheap, lol.


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Backfire wrote:
The Warboss might be vaguely similar to AOBR warboss, but recycling (or 'paying tribute') old models is not a new phenomenon. In fact, old metal warboss was also duplicated:

Didn't both those models exist simultaneously in metal, it's just the translation to finecast only occurred for the helmeted one?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Back on topic- if you don't like Gretchin you're doing Orks wrong

I have 0 use for the weedly little gits except as oilers, ammo carriers and orderlies!

Serisouly, I'd rather just take more boyz.


All in all, the two armies couldn't be more lopsided.

Grey Hunters are among the best troop choices in the game right now. Grots are among the "hide behind a rock and hope to claim an objective" category. Blood Claws (while being perfect stand-ins for Grey Hunters) are at least still troops making the SW force playable outside Unbound.*

Terminators > 'Eavy Armor nobz. There's no comparison at all. Even at 2W for the Nobz, the 2+/5++ of terminators waaaaaaay outweighs the 4+ of the Nobz (assuming they even HAVE 'Eavy Armor in the first place!)

'Eavy Armor Warboss with no transport? Ouch.

And Killa Kanz at least fit this set simply because there's little enough shooting that can hurt them. That said, they're pretty bad in the new Codex. Increased cost, decreased melee capability, AND the (unique among vehicles) chance of being Shaken.


*I still laugh every single time someone suggests "Just play Unbound" for anything.

The Gretchin vs Boyz argument could go on for ever.

If I was to go out on a limb I would guess that as this is not a 'starter box' but a limited campaign box GW have set it up differently for a specific market

I would guess this box is not marketed at beginners, in fact if I was to walk into a GW store when it was out as a complete noob and said I wanted to start the hobby they would walk me towards a DV set (I am going to guess the reason DV has been pulled is they are switching the books and this takes time) as it contains dice, rules, larger armies etc etc.

Stormclaw on the other hand is a different funky mix of models, Wolves that any marine player can take as a detachment or convert and Orks who are of interest for all the players who want to try the 7th codex and of course it has a small rule book that is handy for all of us who have either not bought one, only bought the e-edition or have the big one and want a pocket sized version to take to games.

I see it selling well, hell I want one just for the little rule book.

Fundamentally this is an addition to an existing players collection, not a new players welcome to the hobby, and I for one appreciate that.

Obviously it's a campaign box where the noble ork remnants make a valiant last stand against hordes of savage space wolves.

Won't be buying it (Dark Angels and Space Wolves not exactly best buds) but the models look nice.