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2014/07/09 11:17:40
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Was just wondering about the community consensus on using lords of war in knight armies.
After reading the fluff of knights assisting the Adeptus Titanicus on certain missions, i was wondering about the legality of reflecting such a force in the table top. I have not been able to find any rulings either way in this matter.
I'm not all that interested in the tactics of such a list, i am merely after info on if it is doable or not (my wallet withstanding).
Thanks in advance.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/09 11:18:28
Experience is something you get just after you need it
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2014/07/09 11:36:32
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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If you're going for Battleforged, the first thing you need is a Detachment with a LoW slot, since the Knight Detachment doesn't have one...
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2014/07/09 12:17:32
Subject: Re:Knights + Titans
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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It's just that the knight armies section states that all other detachments are ok (quote pictured).
I am confused as to if that includes lords of war
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2014/07/09 12:25:08
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Your army would look something like:
Primary Detachment 1: Imperial Knights
3 Imperial Knights
Primary Detachment 2: Imperial Guard
1 Warhound Titan
1 Lord Commisar
2 Veteran squads in chimeras with plasma guns
The Imperial Knights detachment itself cannot have anything except 3-6 knights.
Edit: think they are called 'Combined Arms' detatchments rather than primary detachments. But basically, they follow the old force org chart and you can have a bunch of them if you want.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/07/09 12:30:47
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2014/07/09 12:38:01
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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The way i was thinking had a combined arms detachment where the primary detachment was knights as opposed to infantry...
But it's just so contradictory to itself at every turn
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Experience is something you get just after you need it
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Iron Hands - 12k
The Shadewatch - 3k
Cadmus Outriders - 4k
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2014/07/09 12:50:19
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 IHateNids wrote:The way i was thinking had a combined arms detachment where the primary detachment was knights as opposed to infantry...
But it's just so contradictory to itself at every turn
Yes its a bit confusing but basically you have to have a 'combined arms' detachment in order to have a lord of war. The knights don't get to have lords of war in their detachment. So the only way to have both is to take the army as I listed. Your warlord can be from either (though you probably want the knight to be the warlord). You can't get away with taking any less troops or HQs (commissar) unless I have missed something.
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2014/07/09 13:05:10
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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IHateNids wrote:The way i was thinking had a combined arms detachment where the primary detachment was knights as opposed to infantry...
But it's just so contradictory to itself at every turn
You're confusing terms.
Detachments can include types such as CAD, allies and Knight detachments. In a bound army all units must fit into a detachment.
You can have as many detachments as you want.
ONE of the detachments is your primary.
In order to take a LOW you must, in a bound army, take a detachment that includes a slot for a LOW, such as a CAD. A knightly detachment can be in a bound army, and can be your primary detachment, however in order to take a Titan you need to take at least one CAD.
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2014/07/09 13:13:27
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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And within said CAD, can i not take the knights as the primary, as per the knight armies entry, or am i misunderstanding that?
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Experience is something you get just after you need it
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Iron Hands - 12k
The Shadewatch - 3k
Cadmus Outriders - 4k
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2014/07/09 13:21:47
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes, you're misunderstanding
A CAD is the old FOC. Two troops, one hq minimum, that sort of thing. Witching the CAD is a slot to take a LOW, fortification, etc.
A primary detachment is ANY of the detachments you picked that has your warlord in it. That's what primary means here
So your army could have one detachment hope knights. It can then have a CAD of Guard, with a CCS and two infantry platoons as hq and troops. This then gives you A lord of war slot for a Titan.
That is, if you want a Bound army. An unbound army follows no structure, so you could have just knights and titans
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2014/07/09 13:26:35
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Regular Dakkanaut
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IHateNids wrote:And within said CAD, can i not take the knights as the primary, as per the knight armies entry, or am i misunderstanding that?
You are misunderstanding. A Combined Arms Detachment is different from a Knight Detachment. So for a Battle-Forged army, in order to take knights you must have a knight detachment, and in order to take a Lord of War you must take a detachment with a Lord of War slot (like a CAD).
Although you could just go Unbound since an army composed entirely of knights and titans won't benefit from Objective secured, so all you really lose out on is the re-roll for warlord traits.
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2014/07/09 13:33:10
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Right, fair enough. I thought i could simply replace primary with knights, because you can take a Knight as your warlord.
But it is true that i could just go unbound or take a few guardsmen to hold objectives if i want the Titan that badly...
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Experience is something you get just after you need it
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Iron Hands - 12k
The Shadewatch - 3k
Cadmus Outriders - 4k
Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k |
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2014/07/09 13:41:42
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Confessor Of Sins
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Quoting another thread that might help in understanding:
 BlackTalos wrote:Indeed, the rules go like this:
1) Are you Battle-Forged?
Yes - you have Detachments and Formations, your Command Benefits work
No - you are playing Unbound, no Command Benefits
2) What detachments have you got?
Combined Arms Detachment - Command Benefits (A) including Objective Secured
Allied Detachment - Command Benefits (B)
Ork Horde Detachment - Command Benefits (C)
Ork Warband Formation
Etc
Obviously if you have all 4 of the above, only units in your CAD get Benefits (A), only units in your Horde get the (C) benefits, etc...
3) Warlord and Primary Detachment
You then pick your Warlord from any of the above, and that Detachment (Formation?) becomes your primary.
Upon step 2) above, you select CAD (any number of...) and Knight detachments (any number of...) before even thinking of step 3 and what your "primary" is all about.
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DA:80-S+G+M+B++I-Pw40k01++D+++A+++WD100R++T(T)DM+
Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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2014/07/09 16:03:20
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Also read the Imperial Knight FAQ as it changed how you take IKs completely
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2014/07/09 21:41:40
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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I agree with the posters above, a Knight detachment is not the same as a CAD, just like the new Ork detachment is not a CAD 
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
 Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP  |
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2014/07/10 03:28:13
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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I don't really see the point in making a knight-primary army battle forged. They do not have objective secured anyway, so screw it. Unbound it and go for your life!
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Build a man a fire, he will be warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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2014/07/10 09:44:32
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Confessor Of Sins
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because you could Battle-Forge a Primary Knight with an all-troops cheap CAD to get the Objective Secured behind your line?
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DA:80-S+G+M+B++I-Pw40k01++D+++A+++WD100R++T(T)DM+
Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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2014/07/10 11:44:20
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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all-troops plus 1HQ CAD
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2014/07/10 15:31:08
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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yeah troops+hq in 1 cad, then knights as a different detachment...seems boss to me.
also I would throw in some wyverns, because I hear they are good.
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2014/07/10 17:50:03
Subject: Knights + Titans
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Or just an allied detachment. If you only want/need two trooops.
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