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2014/07/09 22:03:06
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Having a look at the list for 'Worst Picture', I realise that there a few on these lists that I actually like... movies like 'Friday the 13th', 'First Blood: Part II', 'Waterworld' (I guess it's become a cult classic now), 'Little Nicky' and a few others besides.
Am I alone in liking movies that have been panned and considered crap?
Surely not....
2014/07/09 22:07:11
Subject: Re:Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
I saw Saturn 3 (Hector, the robot was cool) and enjoyed it. Harvey Keitel is also in it.
Sheena (Tanya Roberts in a chamois bikini? Yes, please. Make it a double) was also enjoyable in a stupid way. In a way that hercules movies can't be (because herc isn't a girl).
I find myself lucky in that I've not seen more than three of those movies in total (although I stopped going through the list after about 1992).
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
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2014/07/09 23:05:47
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
It's hard to take this list seriously with Rocky IV, Rambo 2 and 3, Showgirls AND Striptease, and "I now pronounce you chuck and larry"
But then it redeems itself with Rocky V, Speed 2, Caddyshack 2 (seriously, who would EVER dream of making a sequel to a movie as perfect as Caddyshack?), SW ep. 1 and 2 (I wonder if they left 3 off of there simply out of pity?)
2014/07/09 23:49:51
Subject: Re:Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
They seem to really hate Stallone Costner and Swarzennegger. Granted their movies aren't great but that's the thing.... they really aren't supposed to be. That's like getting upset that you laughed at a comedy. I dunno, that list is full of bad, but it's also full of not the worst by a long shot.
Also I love Water World. Such a fun movie
2014/07/10 01:08:00
Subject: Re:Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Cheesecat wrote: I don't get why The Blair Witch Project is up there isn't that movie a bit of an innovator?
Not everyone was a fan of that particular innovation.
Yeah, I hear a lot of found footage films are crap.
Well most of them are complete crap. Cloverfield was decent. Paranormal Activity was okay I think, but then it went the way of Saw.
I don't even have issue with the idea of found footage film, it just seems that so often such films are accompanied by extremely lazy story telling, incomprehensible behavior on the part of characters, and not even using the essence of the film format to full use.
Then there's the whole "why are you carrying this camera everywhere you idiot?" bit. Paranormal Activity kind of made sense with this using footage from security cams and stuff, but Cloverfield is just wtf.
I think I've seen every single film listed there in the 90s, both winners and nominations... provided the film had boobs in it. That's how you had to do it in the 90s, kids. You have it so easy with your internet these days.
Anyhow, the Razzies are really about the worst movie of the year. Almost always the worst movies are made by some guy with a dream pouring all his life savings in to the film he's dreamt of making for years, only to find out he's got absolutely no talent. Stuff like The Room. But it isn't that much fun to humiliate those guys. So instead the Razzies focus on the worst studio movies, which is generally just really low brow crap that just got made to turn a buck, where they figured you just put in a couple of famous names, and fill it with either crude jokes, some violence, some nudity or maybe a combination of all three, and it'll go alright at the box office.
Those films aren't always unenjoyable, but they sure as hell aren't good.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/07/10 05:53:25
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Is it bad that there are at least a dozen movies on this list that I love? Most of the Adam Sandler ones. Battleship wasnt to bad and I dont mind the prequel starwars, oh and I do really like the newsies.
are you going to keep talking about it, or do something already?
2014/07/10 06:33:19
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
soundwave591 wrote: Is it bad that there are at least a dozen movies on this list that I love? Most of the Adam Sandler ones. Battleship wasnt to bad and I dont mind the prequel starwars, oh and I do really like the newsies.
Yeah, you definitely got a problem you find Adam Sandler movies funny, the other stuff you said is embarrassing but liking Adam Sandler movies is inexcusable (I'm just kidding like whatever crappy movies you want we all have our guilty pleasures).
2014/07/10 08:33:36
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Cheesecat wrote: I don't get why The Blair Witch Project is up there isn't that movie a bit of an innovator?
Not everyone was a fan of that particular innovation.
Yeah, I hear a lot of found footage films are crap.
Found footage films have been around since the 80's at least (go watch Cannibal Holocaust)! The only thing that Blair Witch "innovated" was in its exclusive use of shaky cam!
2014/07/10 11:07:20
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Quite a few on there I like Waterworld, armageddon, wild wild west, little nicky, freddu got fingered, dukes of hazzard, the michael bay transformers movies.
I'm not saying they are the creme de la creme of cinema, but they are entertaining films to watch.
Problem with these kind of things is that unless something is considered the sistene chapel dome mural thing of movies, then it gets panned.
Case in point, everyone whines about the new transformers movies being terrible, but no-one seems to say: '8/10: spent two hours watching awesome-looking robots blow stuff up, gratutious shots of megan fox's behind were a nice addition, quite entertaining really'
Thing that frustrates me about critics is that most of them think that unless a movie is intelligent, thought provoking, and has some deeply-hidden meaning that would put a hipster making abstract-performance-art-via-interperative-moustache-styling in a starbucks to shame in it's cryptically-hidden message, it must be a crap movie...
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And that is why you hear people yelling FOR THE EMPEROR rather than FOR LOGICAL AND QUANTIFIABLE BASED DECISIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE MAJORITY!
Phototoxin wrote:Kids go in , they waste tonnes of money on marnus calgar and his landraider, the slaneshi-like GW revel at this lust and short term profit margin pleasure. Meanwhile father time and cunning lord tzeentch whisper 'our games are better AND cheaper' and then players leave for mantic and warmahordes.
daveNYC wrote:The Craftworld guys, who are such stick-in-the-muds that they manage to make the Ultramarines look like an Ibiza nightclub that spiked its Red Bull with LSD.
2014/07/10 11:57:19
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
I liked Revenge of the Fallen, I've liked all the transformer movies in all their over the top ridiculousness. Battleship was also good, began as regular military porn, showing some ships and planes and stuff but at the end with the USS Missouri that was like awesome HD stuff you usually have to pay for, so sweet.
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We're watching you... scum.
2014/07/10 12:07:23
Subject: Re:Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
KingCracker wrote: They seem to really hate Stallone Costner and Swarzennegger. Granted their movies aren't great but that's the thing.... they really aren't supposed to be. That's like getting upset that you laughed at a comedy. I dunno, that list is full of bad, but it's also full of not the worst by a long shot.
Also I love Water World. Such a fun movie
I liked Costner in Field of Dreams, Bull Durham, and For the Love of the Game.
He should stick to Baseball movies.
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0028/04/10 12:19:52
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Battleship was good for what it was, an entertaining Saturday night film which doesn't require much intellectual engagement. I liked about 30% of Revenge of the Fallen, but it is by far the worst of the 3 (1 is not so bad, but not great, 3 I really like).
Phantom Menace was awesome when it came out and was my fist exposure to Star Wars; that film pretty much shaped my childhood, so I can't hate it as much as I objectively should (and say what you like about the film as a whole, Qui-gon and Obi-wan vs Darth Maul remains one of the best fight scenes ever)
2014/07/10 12:23:19
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Paradigm wrote: Qui-gon and Obi-wan vs Darth Maul remains one of the best fight scenes ever)
Say what you will about the prequels (and I've said some nasty crap about them), but Phantom Menace did give us this kick-ass 3-jedi duel as well as the song Duel of the Fates, which I like almost as much as the Imperial March.
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2014/07/10 12:27:17
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Actually, the music is probably the best thing about the prequels. I find Revenge of the Sith almost unwatchable, but regularly have the soundtrack on as backing music for gaming, painting or writing. John WIlliams better be scoring the new films.
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2014/07/10 12:35:20
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Paradigm wrote: Actually, the music is probably the best thing about the prequels. I find Revenge of the Sith almost unwatchable, but regularly have the soundtrack on as backing music for gaming, painting or writing. John WIlliams better be scoring the new films.
Really? Revenge of the sith had that awesome space battle at the start and Palpatine was excellent in his corrupting Anakin, the scene in the opera house for instance.
It was still bad but I think it came the closest to getting the feel of star wars right, which maybe is why so many people hated it, but it was almost there.
We're watching you... scum.
2014/07/10 12:53:08
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Paradigm wrote: Actually, the music is probably the best thing about the prequels. I find Revenge of the Sith almost unwatchable, but regularly have the soundtrack on as backing music for gaming, painting or writing. John WIlliams better be scoring the new films.
Really? Revenge of the sith had that awesome space battle at the start and Palpatine was excellent in his corrupting Anakin, the scene in the opera house for instance.
It was still bad but I think it came the closest to getting the feel of star wars right, which maybe is why so many people hated it, but it was almost there.
My problem with Episode III are basically:
Hayden Christain is a terrible actor in a principal role. Natalie Portman is almost as bad. Count Dooku goes down waaay too easily... as does Grievous. The final fight is too much about showing off special effects and not enough about the characters (compare it to Luke vs Vader in V or VI and you'll see what I mean.
The redeeming features are the visually awesome bits (such as the space scene you refer to), McDiarmid as Palaptine/Sidious and the music, but overall I find it way too cheesy and shallow to enjoy as much as IV-VI.
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2014/07/10 12:56:03
Subject: Have you ever seen a 'Razzie' that you enjoyed?
Paradigm wrote: Actually, the music is probably the best thing about the prequels. I find Revenge of the Sith almost unwatchable, but regularly have the soundtrack on as backing music for gaming, painting or writing. John WIlliams better be scoring the new films.
Really? Revenge of the sith had that awesome space battle at the start and Palpatine was excellent in his corrupting Anakin, the scene in the opera house for instance.
It was still bad but I think it came the closest to getting the feel of star wars right, which maybe is why so many people hated it, but it was almost there.
My problem with Episode III are basically:
Hayden Christain is a terrible actor in a principal role. Natalie Portman is almost as bad.
Count Dooku goes down waaay too easily... as does Grievous.
The final fight is too much about showing off special effects and not enough about the characters (compare it to Luke vs Vader in V or VI and you'll see what I mean.
The redeeming features are the visually awesome buts (such as the space scene you refer to), McDiarmid as Palaptine/Sidious and the music, but overall I find it way too cheesy and shallow to enjoy as much as IV-VI.
Well it goes without saying that the original three were the superior films. By no means is RotS a good movie but it does have some redeeming points I feel. And besides the end of Jedi, which is great, I'm not too keen on the rest of it (particularly the ewoks, I didn't like them as a kid and I still don't), but you are right, the lightsabre fights in the prequels are impressive but lack the emotional power of the original trilogy.
