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 Solosam47 wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
Well chaos can do some interesting things now with unit selection

Chaos Codex= Chaos faction
Black legion supplement= Chaos faction
Crimson Slaughter= Chaos faction

since detachments only require you to purchase units for the detachment from a particular faction, not codex, you can put all 3 books into one one detachment now since they all = chaos faction. In effect the book to choose your chaos detachment is three books total if you want.

before you would have to do things like Primary=Chaos Allied= Black legion.

No more!

Mother of God! this right here......this kcan be amazing!!!

wait does this mean we can take artifacts from each book in a single detachment now?

Thats the way im thinkin it works......oh the joy!

Wait that's weird.

Ok if this accurate I imagine we can get pretty unique combinations of artifacts, I don't have the books on me to see what we can do.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Invisible Spawn got comparatively awesome, and regular Nurgle spawn are pretty awesome.

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I still think that Spawn Rush is the way to play Chaos in 7th. 15 Spawn, 2 Nurgle Biker Lords...causing drama.

Spawn are really expensive. What models do you use?

Spawn models.

wtnind wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Melee-kitted Nurgle Daemon Princes. Because of the new Jink rule, they pretty much have a 2+ cover at all times, plus Grounding them is a lot harder.

They also can't land and charge in the same turn which makes them severely limited. Land and you will get filled full of ignores cover shooting or any mass S6+ shooting.

You dont actually need to fly, thats the nice thing!

You are still a 12" moving monster and you get Jink even when you're gliding. So effectively you're moving 12" per turn, with a 2+ cover save and not restricted from waiting a turn to charge.

 GoliothOnline wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
Well chaos can do some interesting things now with unit selection

Chaos Codex= Chaos faction
Black legion supplement= Chaos faction
Crimson Slaughter= Chaos faction

since detachments only require you to purchase units for the detachment from a particular faction, not codex, you can put all 3 books into one one detachment now since they all = chaos faction. In effect the book to choose your chaos detachment is three books total if you want.

before you would have to do things like Primary=Chaos Allied= Black legion.

No more!

Mother of God! this right here......this kcan be amazing!!!

wait does this mean we can take artifacts from each book in a single detachment now?

wait, i just checked the supplements and models who choose artifacts from the supplement are stated not to be able to take artifacts from the main book. So i guess you can have multiple artifacts from the the different supplements, but not on the same unit. So no black mace and daemonheart for example on the same model, but I guess you can have both in the same army on different units, unless maybe I'm interpreting this wrong.

Does it say anything about other supplements?

IE Artifacts from Crimson Slaughter + Artifacts from Black Legion (or whatever it's called).


Also, how would this work for Possessed?

I dunno know special things Black Legion gets.

Hollismason wrote:
Does it say anything about other supplements?

IE Artifacts from Crimson Slaughter + Artifacts from Black Legion (or whatever it's called).


Also, how would this work for Possessed?

I dunno know special things Black Legion gets.

it says any character in your crimson slaughter detachment that can select chaos artifacts cannot select from those listed in the CSM codex, but can instead select from the relics in the crimson slaughter. Note how it says Crimson slaughter detachment, I don't how this works now
if we put 3 factions in our combined arms detachment

My guess is that it's ok to take lord A and put the black mace on him, then take Lord B and put things like the Daemonheart on him, and have them both in a single FoC. You just cant take artifacts from all three books and put them on a single model.

 GoliothOnline wrote:
My guess is that it's ok to take lord A and put the black mace on him, then take Lord B and put things like the Daemonheart on him, and have them both in a single FoC. You just cant take artifacts from all three books and put them on a single model.

I agree with this^^

Ugh it is kind of a mess though if you think about it.

What's the Black Legions special rule thing?

Crimson Slaughter get Possessed as troops.

Black legion gets chosen as troops, and can upgrade their termies. thats all i remember at this time :/

The supplements specifically mention that Artefacts are an either/or choice, so no cross-book combos. Conversely, IMHO it's entirely legal to take a CSM Chaos Lord with a Black Mace and a Crimson Slaughter Sorcerer with Prophet of the Voices in the same CAD.

Soul grinders are just plain brutal in 7e.

I'm not sure the dread and cultist formation will do OK against eldar. The dread can get squashed by ignore cover serpent shields, the cultists will have fearless or zealot which incluces fearless, but die in droves to serpent shields.

Actually since their battle brothers you can take the Dataslates for the Helbrutes and get more armour in your army.

I'm going to start a thread in YMDC about it, I am not so sure this works.

Hollismason wrote:
Actually since their battle brothers you can take the Dataslates for the Helbrutes and get more armour in your army.

I'm going to start a thread in YMDC about it, I am not so sure this works.

can you please, I really hope we are right on this one.

Chaos lord with mark of nurgle, on a bike with daemonheart, Slaughterers horns, Pfist, Lclaw
2+ armour, some khorne rules, IWND, t6

Ummmm guys the helcult formation does not give you objective secured cultists.

Only troops units (and their transports) from a combined arms detachment or allied detachment have objective secured. Summoned daemons (troops) and formations are not part of it, so while they're scoring, they aren't objective secured.

Slight Daemon Detour but nothing stops you from double cadding 8 hearlds right?

because just had a game of never cast psykic powers ever against a daemon friend.

Nothing stopping 8 heralds. Its why many tournaments are house ruling 1 CAD + 1 Allied detachment/Data slate.

MK. yeah 40+ deny rolls makes me sad :/

Also didn't help he got 56 on maelstrom 3 times (harness the warp one)

blaktoof wrote:
Well chaos can do some interesting things now with unit selection

Chaos Codex= Chaos faction
Black legion supplement= Chaos faction
Crimson Slaughter= Chaos faction

since detachments only require you to purchase units for the detachment from a particular faction, not codex, you can put all 3 books into one one detachment now since they all = chaos faction. In effect the book to choose your chaos detachment is three books total if you want.

before you would have to do things like Primary=Chaos Allied= Black legion.

No more!

You can't do it since they aren't different army lists. They are all codex chaos space marines, but at the beginning of both the supplements it says that this supplement uses the army list from codex: chaos space marines but the entire detachment gets the supplemental rule: black legion or crimson slaughter. This special rule then gives the detachment permission to use either chosen or possessed as troops as well as gives the general access to the unique wargear and warlord traits. So no you can't pick and choose from the codices and supplements.

And as for relics it specifcly says that a character that can take relics in the army list cannot take the normal relics but can take crimson slaughter or black legion relics instead.

What about using the unbound rules to take a Land Raider Crusader? The extra transport capacity would be great, especially if you are in the mood to take large units of regular CSM ( or hell, even more expensive plague marines and noise marines)

You still can't get in it. Unbound allows you to ignore the force org chart, not the rules for allies. A crusader would still be come the apocalypse with chaos marines.

With the exalted flamer chariot, did they ever fix it so that they can move and fire their flamer properly? I think I saw GW did but cannot remember.

They did its suddo relentless.

 Desubot wrote:
They did its suddo relentless.

It's not pseudo relentless, the gets relentless for being on the chariot

Well it doesn't say they get "Relenetless" just they count as stationary :/ same thing but technically not the same.

Awesome! ever since they released it i have always wanted to field it as "relentless" love the fire