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I will say one thing, as of the "present day" in 40k the big E best resembles ancient andean cultures who mummified their dead rulers and carried them into battle with them, generally they believed the ruler helped them from beyond the grave. They were also united by a military commander who claimed to be the son of tge sun itself, and eventually he died and they mummified him to gain his powers. Many people like to say the imperium is catholic but in reality it borrows elements from many religions. And why do we have to talk religion on here, we have already insulted christians and brought up hitler on page one. I hope this thread is locked.

No offence was intended, it seemed like he could have been (For a variety of reasons, most posted already)
Edit: Also didnt mean to draw any relations to the Imperium being Christian, just that the Emperor could have started that whole thing for his own reasons.

Well you threw it out there without thinking of the implications

Far from the worst thing that's been said with real life religions. There was a thread a couple of days ago that got away with outright stating that a certain religion is "stupid" and its followers are "idiots".

If he was, there would be no reason the imperium would know he was, or any reason why the core concepts of the Imperium would have to mirror those of Christianity. If he was Jesus, then it would also be likely that he founded other (If not all major) religions, and most of them don't share the core concepts of Christianity, do they? So really, the assumed comparison between the Imperiumand Christianity is completely without basis. Also, the modern imperial beliefs are so far flung from those of the Emperor that they banned the Emperors own religion (The Imperial Truth), so what reason would they have to relate their beliefs to those of their founders.

I personally think any reference to real religion or aethism on 40k forums is a bad idea.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I personally think any reference to real religion or aethism on 40k forums is a bad idea.

*atheism

Large parts of 40k fluff takes things from many major religions, and references christianity in particular (probably because the writes knew much more about that religion than any other), and you can learn a lot about the 40k universe from noticing and understanding these references. Some of which may actually have something to say about the modern world (rarely, admittedly, but it is there).
The problem is that both sides of any religious discussion will invariably feel that the other side has crossed a line somewhere, despite that "line" not actually existing.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
He's been alive since forever, and is certainly capable of doing the things jesus is said to have done (He's capable of much more, but it was fairly early so cut him some slack). I see no reason why he couldnt be.

Jesus wouldn't carry guns, build empires that span worlds, create massive empires and destroy religion. His kingdom is in heaven.

Not sure I see how they could be considered similar.

 Boggy Man wrote:
My point is that atheism is no more rational or pacifist in practice than theologism.

Agreed on pacifist, but it is more rational. Faith is basically the opposite of rationality by definition.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Far from the worst thing that's been said with real life religions. There was a thread a couple of days ago that got away with outright stating that a certain religion is "stupid" and its followers are "idiots".

One specific religion was singled out?


I have always imagined that yeah, the Emperor should have been a “Man from Earth”-style figure, guiding humanity from the shadows, sometime coming into the light and then going back to the shadow to watch his legacy get distorted and changed. Until he grew weary of that and decided “Okay, now I will get in charge and fix this mess”.

The reason Atheism is no more rational than Theism is because there are still questions it can't answer, meaning that you have to have faith in it to believe it.

Yeah, the 'Techpriest IRL' thread singled out animists.

He was Pontius.

Here we go again with religion. Did you EVEN need to ask if he was Jesus? Are you serious right now? This thread smelled of religious squabble before I even clicked on it.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Here we go again with religion. Did you EVEN need to ask if he was Jesus? Are you serious right now? This thread smelled of religious squabble before I even clicked on it.

Sooo... you clicked on it why?

The 40K background clearly states that the Emp was a number of real and fictional characters from Earth's past (/our future). It is no stretch to imagine him being "Jesus".

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Here we go again with religion. Did you EVEN need to ask if he was Jesus? Are you serious right now? This thread smelled of religious squabble before I even clicked on it.

Sooo... you clicked on it why?

The 40K background clearly states that the Emp was a number of real and fictional characters from Earth's past (/our future). It is no stretch to imagine him being "Jesus".

I clicked on it because I can, problem?

It is shameful that the Warhammer 40k universe is somehow being mended together with our current beliefs. It's pathetic. Jesus is not the fricking emperor, for goodness sake! Listen to yourselves!

But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The reason Atheism is no more rational than Theism is because there are still questions it can't answer, meaning that you have to have faith in it to believe it.

I will switch to MP here.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

To paraphrase your earlier comment: "The did it because they can, problem?".

Oh no! The knife! It cuts both ways!

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

You aren't making any sense.

People will always argue about religion.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

Is that a bad thing?

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

To paraphrase your earlier comment: "The did it because they can, problem?".

Oh no! The knife! It cuts both ways!

Uhh?


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

Is that a bad thing?

Considering I am here to talk about 40k, it absolutely is.


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Whatever, you all can go talk about Jesus and religion, I'm going to B&C.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The reason Atheism is no more rational than Theism is because there are still questions it can't answer, meaning that you have to have faith in it to believe it.

Yeah, the 'Techpriest IRL' thread singled out animists.

Just because we don't have all the answers yet does not me we can't make an educated guess, and then work to learn more. Faith holds that either all the answers are known, or that they are not to be known. Atheism is closer to "We have some answers, but we know there is more, so we shall search".


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 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

And you know this how? So far a good number of posts have been debating the facts of good ol' Empy, and not really caring too much about Jesus.

 Selym wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The reason Atheism is no more rational than Theism is because there are still questions it can't answer, meaning that you have to have faith in it to believe it.

Yeah, the 'Techpriest IRL' thread singled out animists.

Just because we don't have all the answers yet does not me we can't make an educated guess, and then work to learn more. Faith holds that either all the answers are known, or that they are not to be known. Atheism is closer to "We have some answers, but we know there is more, so we shall search".


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 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
But the Emperor was Jesus, in the alternate reality that is 40k.

Calm down. Even though they're talking about a name that means something to you, they're not talking about your personal saviour.

Right, the point was completely missed. Jesus cannot be incorporated into 40k because whether you picture Jesus as the Emperor doesn't matter, religious people and athiests will still feel the need to comment on "real" Jesus.

And you know this how? So far a good number of posts have been debating the facts of good ol' Empy, and not really caring too much about Jesus.

Yeah, I know because you JUST posted about atheism.

The Empoer In the lore says he has guided the human race sense his birth. Which was all the sorcerers mages wizards came together and made there soul into one powerful soul in order to stop the chaos gods from swooping there souls! Which for all you haters happened during the dawn of the human race. Now GW will never say he was Jesus because of the religious backlash but implies it so...

Only thing that i heard that was concrete was that he was Merlin or something like that forget the book i read that had that though..

Well he could have been. He was more probably peter, john or paul. Or pontius, or the stable owner, or the guiding star in the sky. He doesnt pop his head out much.
I figured john grammaticus was jebus, talking in tongues and stuff.
But really lets say he goes the stop religion, do science. Whats the difference

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Here we go again with religion. Did you EVEN need to ask if he was Jesus? Are you serious right now? This thread smelled of religious squabble before I even clicked on it.

Y'know, this thread was completely calm and happy right before this post. Did you purposely burst in to just stir gak up because it gives your ego a boost? It makes you happy?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Here we go again with religion. Did you EVEN need to ask if he was Jesus? Are you serious right now? This thread smelled of religious squabble before I even clicked on it.

Y'know, this thread was completely calm and happy right before this post. Did you purposely burst in to just stir gak up because it gives your ego a boost? It makes you happy?

No

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
Here we go again with religion. Did you EVEN need to ask if he was Jesus? Are you serious right now? This thread smelled of religious squabble before I even clicked on it.

Y'know, this thread was completely calm and happy right before this post. Did you purposely burst in to just stir gak up because it gives your ego a boost? It makes you happy?

It's ok - he is off to bolter and chainsword where jesus was definately never the emp.

Uh, my apologies everyone. I'm sorry I, am very insecure apparently. Forget I mentioned anything on this thread. Carry on.

As has been noted a couple of times, the Emperor pops up several times in the course of human history, sometimes as a great leader (would not surprise me if he was Alexander the Great) sometimes as someone just quietly manipulating things from the shadows.

Was he, in the setting and story of 40K, Jesus of Nazarene? Probably not. While there's nothing that the Biblical figure does that can not also be done through prodigious psychic power (that the Emperor most certainly possessed, and walking on water is child's play for a telekine), there's nothing in the message of the New Testament that fits with the power-hungry, despotic warlord the Emperor always was.

More likely that the Emperor was the Apostle Simon (a sorcerer by trade, before he became an apostle... and to the uneducated, there is no difference between a psyker and a sorcerer) or possibly the soldier who stabbed him during the crucifixion, or possibly both. It would be quite the ironic twist if the Holy Lance were made so not because it was used to kill Jesus, but because it had been wielded by the Emperor.