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As the title says: Can one take a FNP against anything that removes you as a casualty/removes you from play (other than natural wounding out) such as JotWW (I know this doesn't exist now, it's an example) or the Black mace's effect (either the first or second)?
I was told you can't, as it wounds you out completely.

(I was sure I'd asked this here before, but I couldn't find it in my posting history. If I have, I do apologise)

FNP triggers on an unsaved wound. A model being removed isn't the same as an unsaved wound.

Ah! I thought I was missing something.
Thank you.

 Cheexsta wrote:
FNP triggers on an unsaved wound. A model being removed isn't the same as an unsaved wound.

Just to be clear the rule states;

"When a model with this special rule suffers and unsaved Wound, it can make a special Feel No Pain roll to avoid being wounded([this is not a saving throw and so can be used against attacks that state that "no saving throws of any kind are allowed"..example those inflicted by Perils of the Warp).

So with that being said ..the model doesn't have to fail a wound save roll in order to have a fnp roll..it does give the conditions that need to be met in the parenthesis above for this though

And of course Destroyer weapons and those that inflict instant death(or double str over tough+) will not allow fnp as well.

Minijack,
What do you mean by 'fail a Wound roll?'

JinxDragon wrote:
Minijack,
What do you mean by 'fail a Wound roll?'

Ahh yeah..just fixed that,thnx for the catch

Now I'm confused.
Sorry.
So I can take a FNP against something that removes you as a casualty/from play (such as the Animus Malorum, Black Mace, JotWW, etc)? As it states

this is not a saving throw and so can be used against attacks that state that "no saving throws of any kind are allowed..example those inflicted by Perils of the Warp

I would say you can't. FNP is also a save roll, that saves you from dying. So no, you CAN'T take any roll. Invul save is still a save.

 Zigmunth wrote:
I would say you can't. FNP is also a save roll, that saves you from dying. So no, you CAN'T take any roll. Invul save is still a save.

Feel No Pain is not a save.

If you took FnP against such an effect and passed it what do you expect to happen?

FnP only ignores wounds the results you are talking about don't cause wounds and thus don't trigger FnP nor would FnP help you even if you did take it.

 Ond Angel wrote:
Now I'm confused.
Sorry.
So I can take a FNP against something that removes you as a casualty/from play (such as the Animus Malorum, Black Mace, JotWW, etc)? As it states

this is not a saving throw and so can be used against attacks that state that "no saving throws of any kind are allowed..example those inflicted by Perils of the Warp

Don't be confused

-FnP can prevent a wound, but is not a save.
-Your examples 'kill' the model not by causing a wound, but because of the effect. There is no wound to prevent!
-Perils of the Warp causes a wound and you cannot save against it, but since FnP is not a save you can still use it.

There is being killed by running out of wounds and there is being removed from play regardless of the amount of wounds you have. FNP can't save against the latter, but depending on the strength you might get a save against the first one.

Kangodo wrote:

 Ond Angel wrote:
Now I'm confused.
Sorry.
So I can take a FNP against something that removes you as a casualty/from play (such as the Animus Malorum, Black Mace, JotWW, etc)? As it states

this is not a saving throw and so can be used against attacks that state that "no saving throws of any kind are allowed..example those inflicted by Perils of the Warp

Don't be confused

-FnP can prevent a wound, but is not a save.
-Your examples 'kill' the model not by causing a wound, but because of the effect. There is no wound to prevent!
-Perils of the Warp causes a wound and you cannot save against it, but since FnP is not a save you can still use it.

welshhoppo wrote:There is being killed by running out of wounds and there is being removed from play regardless of the amount of wounds you have. FNP can't save against the latter, but depending on the strength you might get a save against the first one.

Okay. NOW I understand.

Thank you all. I feel a little silly and stupid.

I'll just remember it as "Instant death that ignores all saves and EW"

FNP is not a saving throw therefore you can use it.

think of it in laymen's terms... removed as casualty = any and everything you could take was failed

 Gray1378 wrote:
FNP is not a saving throw therefore you can use it.

Only if an unsaved wound is caused. If no unsaved wound is caused, you CANNOT use FNP

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Gray1378 wrote:
FNP is not a saving throw therefore you can use it.

Only if an unsaved wound is caused. If no unsaved wound is caused, you CANNOT use FNP

Very true, forgot to add this. Thank you.