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There's a lot of fantastic not guardsmen out there (including Scottish and female ones)

do they make any Terminator models (like the movie)? I have a few but they're the wrong scale.
Any robot thing would do, I am sure they exist somewhere.

madd_leeroy wrote:

Brilliant do you think they will pass for Necrons?

Do you really want to play "I bet you can't find cheap counts as models" game?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
EM4 models too.

http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/ROBOTS.html

It took me several seconds to find these.

You perhaps aught to type faster then

I was busy applying for a job at the same time.

madd_leeroy wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
EM4 models too.

http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/ROBOTS.html

It took me several seconds to find these.

You perhaps aught to type faster then

*ought

only ones that I've not really been able to find is Sisters of Battle, everything else has something pretty good to be used instead (maybe some marines not so much but... there's a lot of marines)

madd_leeroy wrote:No aught look it up

Madd_leeroy, "aught" is a noun, "ought" is a modal verb. The part of speech you want there is the modal verb, not the noun.

Ah i already have a job which is why i can pay the prices for GW products

If you don't mind me asking some questions:

Around how much did you spend over the last year on GW products?

Do you buy direct from GW or from another source? What's the breakdown by channel?

Are there alternative miniatures or entire games that you are aware of? Have you tried any of them?

Why do you pick GW products over these other ones?

Do you primarily deal with a GW store or GW's online store?

How many local co-hobbyists do you have? If you couldn't regularly get in games with them or if they started quitting would you quit as well?

Would you switch games/companies if it meant you could get in more games? Or if the rules were better and you could get an equal number of games?

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However this is enough of a diversion.

Let us get back on topic.

When can we expect the 2013-2014 financial report from GW?

For Not-Sisters, I would keep an eye on Raging Heroes Sisters of Eternal Mercy. This is a line to follow the current TGG/Iron Empire series (currently in production) that currently exists only in concept art form and a few 3D renders, but looks really, really good.

Yes it is really simply a matter of time.
Even when I had a good job, I still didn't like paying what GW asked, it didn't feel worth it, especially since there are models cheaper and the same (even better) quality.
With my other hobbies (the ball jointed dolls) there is a huge price gambit, GW isn't the only company out there to sell me models. So why should I pick them?

Aught is a pronoun and commonly used in dialect where i am from such as: "Hang yourself for aught you're worth, You were a scoundrel from your birth, And if you cannot buy a rope, Some fool will trust you one, I hope."

Killkrazy, no one mentioned I?

Frozen wastes, i have probably spent £150 in the last year. £100 from GW and £50 from other sources, mainly ebay.

yes I am aware of other miniature games but have a lot of history in 40k and can't get excited about the limited background of other games such as warpath and infinity.

When i started collecting there was no others

GW online

What a pity you were not aware of history. It contains really quite a considerable amount of history. More than GW's 40K even.

However we are once again getting off the topic.

When does GW's end of year report come out?

Ok, KK, I'll throw the metaphorical life ring!

The report last year was published very early August, (3rd IIRC) so we are a little over two weeks away.

I wonder if they'll do it late on a Friday after the FTSE closes for the weekend....

Perhaps the Friday of the Bank Holiday W/E?

August Bank Holiday is towards the end of the month however lots of people take summer holidays between now and early September due to children's school term dates. There must be a rule about the time limit. I don't know what it is though.

madd_leeroy wrote:
Aught is a pronoun and commonly used in dialect where i am from such as: "Hang yourself for aught you're worth, You were a scoundrel from your birth, And if you cannot buy a rope, Some fool will trust you one, I hope."

Killkrazy, no one mentioned I?

Frozen wastes, i have probably spent £150 in the last year. £100 from GW and £50 from other sources, mainly ebay.

yes I am aware of other miniature games but have a lot of history in 40k and can't get excited about the limited background of other games such as warpath and infinity.

When i started collecting there was no others

GW online

*highlighted bit for emphasis*

le sigh. GW isnt the only game with a large catalogue of lore.

You have not looked hard enough leeroy. Warmachine, for example, has a fantastic setting, and it has been developing for quite a long time now. Did you know it originally started off as a D20 RPG setting using the DnD 3.5 OSL rules? this was back when the Witchfire Trilogy was their first outing. And that was well over ten years ago now, and the fluff has been constantly developed.

I’ll be honest. I’’m always that bit disappointed and annoyed when people post that other games dont have well developed backgrounds. . Such as what you have said. I understand you are probably saying it more from lack of familiarity as much as anything else, but nonetheless you are perpetuating a falsehood, and it really does grind my gears that people continue to do it. the fluff? its there. its simply not true to suggest what you are suggesting. And I can back my statements up.

first up: complete chronological list of fiction.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?195787-The-Complete-Chronological-Iron-Kingdoms-Fiction
check out the forums as well - often the lead writer of the fiction - doug Seacat will step in and elaborate on any and all points of the fiction that raise questions.

the first place for fluff, as you can guess is the rulebook and army books for both warmachine and hordes. they have the ongoing fiction, as well as character back stories, unit descriptions and the FOW books often describe some of the logistics, and actual nuts and bolts of army organisation, and history. they're good solid reads (i love the retribution book in particular, itsbackground material is phenomenol!) but generally, act as a great intro. If you are interested, the fluff goes all the way back to Mk1 and the original books from over 10 years ago. if you get the PP reader app, you can download all the old books for a song. its well worth it, IMO. the hordes expansions (mutagenesis and evolution iirc) have some really excellent story material.

the second place is PPs magazine. No Quarter. it is an excellent read. pick it up at your FLGS, and if you want the older copies, check out the PP reader app, where you can get all the old issues for a few pence. there are short stories throughout the magazine. they also run very popular and very well written fluff articles in the magazine. For example, you have the Gavyn Kyle files, which elaborates on, explores and deepends the fiction behind a lot of the "names" in the game. Not just casters. But other famous individuals too. Sometimes its units (there was one exploring the history and culture of the kayazy). Another great one is the Guts n Gears files, which are like the GK files, but are less about individuals, and more about the fluff behind unit types and warjack chassis (where they were made, how long they were in service for, development history etc). the NQ magazine is well worth a read - it has some excellent content and is well worth its price tag. i think they're re-releasing some of the fiction via skull island as well (see below). there is also regular fiction which includes both once off short stories, and stories that continue on the arc from those in books - for example, what happened to Kallus at the end of Domination is explained in one.

the third place (and my personal favourite) is the RPG material. Warmachine originated as a D20 RPG using the DnD open source licence. their very first adventure was called "the witchfire trilogy" and is a great read, with some interesting little nuggets. the "old" D20 material comprised the character guides (which ahave a lot of the basic information, cosmology, history etc) 2 monsternomicons (with huge bits of info on infernals, and skorne culture/history, although its generally about the monsters that inhabit immoren), a small exansion on the port of Five FIngers, and the excellent world guide. I cannot recommend these enough; the World GUide in particular. its epic. you can literally smell the smoke when you read it. they're very, very engrossing, and do a fantastic job of bringing the world to life - not just the history, but crime&punishment, trades and learning, entertainment, finance, language, cosmology, and lots of information on locations, towns, cities, forts, and the big names in all of them. Now, the old material is still online (if you know where to look; winkwinknudgenudge) but they're also all being updated by PP into a new RPG series using a proprietary rules system based off of the wargame. So far they have the IKRPG core rules, five fingers and the excellent Kings Nations and Gods books. again, all well worth the read. upcoming is a new monsternomicon and the iron kingdoms: unleashed "complimentary" RPG which focuses on adventures in the wilds, and expands on the races to include tharn, farrow etc. Im quite looking forward to that one! i think thw RPG material on its own is stellar, and really does a fantastic job of bringing the world to life - far more than youd expect from a regular wargame.

the fourth place is PPs publishing wing. skull island expeditions.https://skullislandx.com/
they dont yet have the volume or the library of titles of the black library, but whats there is very solid. i will particularly recommend the warcaster chronicle series (caine, butcher and shae so far), warlock chronicles (makeda and thagrosh), extraordinary zoology (brilliant little read!) and top of the pile is Into the Storm by larry correia (award winning author). the iron kingdoms excursions series is a series of short stories that are quite fun to read too.

The reports seem to be published on the last Tuesday of July which this year is the 29th.


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 Rainbow Dash wrote:

do they make any Terminator models (like the movie)? I have a few but they're the wrong scale.

This may interest you.


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 kronk wrote:

Those are OK.

I like the FW Hazardous Environment Cadians better, though.

Yeah but they are over 4 times cheaper and the sculpt quality is excellent.

For me the issue of GW's fluff is that it never goes anywhere, or they get codex writers to write some and it is the worst thing ever written! (eg Matt Ward)
That man has caused more nerd rage then any other man I know...

 Kilkrazy wrote:
August Bank Holiday is towards the end of the month however lots of people take summer holidays between now and early September due to children's school term dates. There must be a rule about the time limit. I don't know what it is though.

Huh. Could have sworn there was one at the start of August this year, must have been one of those "only in...." Jobs and I didn't notice.

They have 6 months from FYE to file, I would imagine they'd publish at the same time, as they're publicly accessible then too, and past behaviour is the best indicator of future actions in this case, so a couple of weeks is most likely.

Late Summer Bank Holiday is always the last Monday in August.

GW probably will publish by the end of July, unless the results are so disastrous that they have to conceal them for as long as possible.

The share price spiked when they announced the dividend and deadline for acquisition to qualify, so they're almost certainly in for a spanking in the markets once the dividend has been paid regardless, unless they post up something remarkable.

Deadnight wrote:

madd_leeroy wrote:
Aught is a pronoun and commonly used in dialect where i am from such as: "Hang yourself for aught you're worth, You were a scoundrel from your birth, And if you cannot buy a rope, Some fool will trust you one, I hope."

Killkrazy, no one mentioned I?

Frozen wastes, i have probably spent £150 in the last year. £100 from GW and £50 from other sources, mainly ebay.

yes I am aware of other miniature games but have a lot of history in 40k and can't get excited about the limited background of other games such as warpath and infinity.

When i started collecting there was no others

GW online

*highlighted bit for emphasis*

le sigh. GW isnt the only game with a large catalogue of lore.

You have not looked hard enough leeroy. Warmachine, for example, has a fantastic setting, and it has been developing for quite a long time now. Did you know it originally started off as a D20 RPG setting using the DnD 3.5 OSL rules? this was back when the Witchfire Trilogy was their first outing. And that was well over ten years ago now, and the fluff has been constantly developed.

I’ll be honest. I’’m always that bit disappointed and annoyed when people post that other games dont have well developed backgrounds. . Such as what you have said. I understand you are probably saying it more from lack of familiarity as much as anything else, but nonetheless you are perpetuating a falsehood, and it really does grind my gears that people continue to do it. the fluff? its there. its simply not true to suggest what you are suggesting. And I can back my statements up.

first up: complete chronological list of fiction.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?195787-The-Complete-Chronological-Iron-Kingdoms-Fiction
check out the forums as well - often the lead writer of the fiction - doug Seacat will step in and elaborate on any and all points of the fiction that raise questions.

the first place for fluff, as you can guess is the rulebook and army books for both warmachine and hordes. they have the ongoing fiction, as well as character back stories, unit descriptions and the FOW books often describe some of the logistics, and actual nuts and bolts of army organisation, and history. they're good solid reads (i love the retribution book in particular, itsbackground material is phenomenol!) but generally, act as a great intro. If you are interested, the fluff goes all the way back to Mk1 and the original books from over 10 years ago. if you get the PP reader app, you can download all the old books for a song. its well worth it, IMO. the hordes expansions (mutagenesis and evolution iirc) have some really excellent story material.

the second place is PPs magazine. No Quarter. it is an excellent read. pick it up at your FLGS, and if you want the older copies, check out the PP reader app, where you can get all the old issues for a few pence. there are short stories throughout the magazine. they also run very popular and very well written fluff articles in the magazine. For example, you have the Gavyn Kyle files, which elaborates on, explores and deepends the fiction behind a lot of the "names" in the game. Not just casters. But other famous individuals too. Sometimes its units (there was one exploring the history and culture of the kayazy). Another great one is the Guts n Gears files, which are like the GK files, but are less about individuals, and more about the fluff behind unit types and warjack chassis (where they were made, how long they were in service for, development history etc). the NQ magazine is well worth a read - it has some excellent content and is well worth its price tag. i think they're re-releasing some of the fiction via skull island as well (see below). there is also regular fiction which includes both once off short stories, and stories that continue on the arc from those in books - for example, what happened to Kallus at the end of Domination is explained in one.

the third place (and my personal favourite) is the RPG material. Warmachine originated as a D20 RPG using the DnD open source licence. their very first adventure was called "the witchfire trilogy" and is a great read, with some interesting little nuggets. the "old" D20 material comprised the character guides (which ahave a lot of the basic information, cosmology, history etc) 2 monsternomicons (with huge bits of info on infernals, and skorne culture/history, although its generally about the monsters that inhabit immoren), a small exansion on the port of Five FIngers, and the excellent world guide. I cannot recommend these enough; the World GUide in particular. its epic. you can literally smell the smoke when you read it. they're very, very engrossing, and do a fantastic job of bringing the world to life - not just the history, but crime&punishment, trades and learning, entertainment, finance, language, cosmology, and lots of information on locations, towns, cities, forts, and the big names in all of them. Now, the old material is still online (if you know where to look; winkwinknudgenudge) but they're also all being updated by PP into a new RPG series using a proprietary rules system based off of the wargame. So far they have the IKRPG core rules, five fingers and the excellent Kings Nations and Gods books. again, all well worth the read. upcoming is a new monsternomicon and the iron kingdoms: unleashed "complimentary" RPG which focuses on adventures in the wilds, and expands on the races to include tharn, farrow etc. Im quite looking forward to that one! i think thw RPG material on its own is stellar, and really does a fantastic job of bringing the world to life - far more than youd expect from a regular wargame.

the fourth place is PPs publishing wing. skull island expeditions.https://skullislandx.com/
they dont yet have the volume or the library of titles of the black library, but whats there is very solid. i will particularly recommend the warcaster chronicle series (caine, butcher and shae so far), warlock chronicles (makeda and thagrosh), extraordinary zoology (brilliant little read!) and top of the pile is Into the Storm by larry correia (award winning author). the iron kingdoms excursions series is a series of short stories that are quite fun to read too.

I'll second Larry Correia's "Into the Storm." If you haven't read any of his other stuff, you're missing out. He's a fantastic writer that started writing for PP because he really just loves the game.

madd_leeroy wrote:
Frozen wastes, i have probably spent £150 in the last year. £100 from GW and £50 from other sources, mainly ebay.

Hmm. These numbers and the split into other sources isn't really what GW needs from each customer to really make it work. They better hope you're not typical of their customers.

GW online

This is ideal for them though. It has to be their highest margin sales channel.

About "aught"

madd_leeroy wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I have to say, if you love playing 40K then why not go and play it instead of spending time complaining about people discussing it on forums.

Because mistakenly i thought this was a place to have a general discussion about 40k, I cannot play right now as i am on a train and it would not be practical to setup a game here. Speaking of which £78 quid to go 100 miles when the diesel will only cost them a portion of that how dare they, i demand that they reduce the prices blah blah blah


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 Kilkrazy wrote:

10 not "IG" infantry in metal. £11.95.


25 not "whatever the GW not Victorian British Infantry IG Infantry is" Infantry in plastic. $21.95.

Brilliant do you think they will pass for Necrons?

Well all I will say is that with those I think you get what you pay for. If I wanted alt-Imperial Guard I'd go for Victoria Lamb. It's $49.99 which is £29 in old money, so costs a fair but more than GW's cadians. However I think they are a *lot* better and you get what you pay for.

Tough call between the Copplestone and the Lamb sculpts. I like them both.

I really like the Copplestone Bolshevik commissars:

Victoria Lamb's stuff, while nice, is overpriced IMO. But if you want Praetorians and Mordians they aren't bad for what you're paying for.

Any miniature war game is a direct competitor to 40k.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Any miniature war game is a direct competitor to 40k.

Which is why GW's response is to run away and hide.

No attendance at actual gaming conventions. Being parasitic with their independent trade "partners." Trying to maintain and rebuild a customer base segmented from the larger industry.

It sounds crazy to say that it might work. I do get that.

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I love the Scottish guardsmen, the female ones are nice too but if I had to pick one it would be Scotland!
I wonder if they make a good Mordian Iron Guard look alike out there?

 frozenwastes wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Any miniature war game is a direct competitor to 40k.

Which is why GW's response is to run away and hide.

Which, historically, isn't a wise strategy.

A good comparison for GW on "value" imo is DFG Eisenkern vs. 40k new ST's. $11 for 5 compared to $35 for 5, and you get DFG on better and more frequent sales than you do 40k. You get just as many if not more bits and while the aesthetic is subjective, the quality is at least equal.

Another good comparison are Perry minis historicals and the WHFB lines since a lot of them are sculpted by the same people but Perry minis are laughably cheaper.

Also the dreamforge leviathans compared to the GW knight. Bigger, insanely posable, a hell of a lot more plastic and not much more expensive at all.