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**Khine**

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Stormfang Gunship has the look of half of a Caestus Assault Ram, and is on the cover of next week's White Dwarf. The previous rumors really list out its abilities well. It comes with a Helfrost Destructor, two twin-linked heavy bolters, two stormstrike missiles and ceramite plating, with power of the machine spirit.

Heavy bolter upgrades to skyhammer missile launcher or two twin linked multi-meltas
stormstrike missiles can be upgraded to a twin linked lascannon.

Helfrost Destructor
Dispersed 24" S6 AP3 Hvy1, Helfrost, Large Blast
Focused 24" S8 AP1, Hvy1, Helfrost, Lance

Stormstrike Missile 72" S8 AP2 hvy1 Concussive one shot only

**Andilus Greatsword**

Holy crap, I was going to call BS on that rumour, but it sounds like it might actually be true...

Weapons sound amazing on it. Dammit GW, I might just have to buy 2...

ThaneCawdor wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:

Given the other Marine books have Marines inside other types of armour, the wolves will get a wolf riding a wolf.

Nonsense, thats not thinking outside of the box.
What they need is a wolf in Dreadknight style armor, being ridden by a Centurion

You sir win the Internet.

**Kirasu**

Goatmoerser wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
After all, they do quote Leman Russ as saying He will return during the WOLFTIME. Which is quite possibly the STUPIDEST quote by any primarch in the history of 40k.

Why so if I may ask? I think this is a reference to the Völuspá. You know "Axe-time, sword-time, | shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, | ere the world fall".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1

I think that suits Leman Russ quite good.

Because that quote is part of a codex that uses the word Wolf like 50 times for various things.. It's redundant and sounds incredibly dumb when combined with the absurdity of the Space Wolf codex naming conventions.

**Jefffar**

The Stormfang sounds a lot more convincing than the other rumored flyer kit to be sure.

Also that is a buttload of AP 1, 2 and 3 you can put on that thing. Sounds like they are gearing up to be the Emperor's executioners for sure.

**Fayric**

Id rather seen the flying wolf chariot, driven by jetpack thunderwolves, but this rumoured flyer sounds nice as long as it has transport capacity.

Sadly I cant bring myself to rely on this fait rumor, half based on another fait rumor, that conviniently pop up.
Honestly, the rumor mongers appear to be totaly lost this last month.

**Goatmoerser**

Kirasu wrote:
Because that quote is part of a codex that uses the word Wolf like 50 times for various things.. It's redundant and sounds incredibly dumb when combined with the absurdity of the Space Wolf codex naming conventions.

Ah, I see. The repeated use of a single word can indeed spoil an otherwise good approach.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Goatmoerser wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Because that quote is part of a codex that uses the word Wolf like 50 times for various things.. It's redundant and sounds incredibly dumb when combined with the absurdity of the Space Wolf codex naming conventions.

Ah, I see. The repeated use of a single word can indeed spoil an otherwise good approach.

To be fair that quote has been around since 3rd ed at least (probably earlier) when Wolf- was generally used in cases where it made sense (eg, wolf pelt, wolf tail talisman, wolf tooth necklace, etc).

**Jefffar**

A thought on HellFrost, if it is there in the codex for real, could this be the Space Wolf alternative to Grav Weapons?

**Nevelon**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
I only just realized how perilously close, if it is in fact true, the Hell Frost Cannon could have been called the Bifrost Cannon.

Dear god, think of all the rainbow jokes that might have happened

The Bifrost cannon is the twin-linked version.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

Jefffar wrote:
A thought on HellFrost, if it is there in the codex for real, could this be the Space Wolf alternative to Grav Weapons?

Ooh, *British Accent* Clever girl. I didn't even think of that but it would be pretty interesting depending on how it works out. Of course then I'd be tempted to paint a couple of Grey Hunters with some kind of "freezer burn" on their armour from back blast.

**H.B.M.C.**

Nevelon wrote:
The Bifrost cannon is the twin-linked version.

*claps*

**pretre**

Khine wrote:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Stormfang Gunship has the look of half of a Caestus Assault Ram, and is on the cover of next week's White Dwarf. The previous rumors really list out its abilities well. It comes with a Helfrost Destructor, two twin-linked heavy bolters, two stormstrike missiles and ceramite plating, with power of the machine spirit.

Heavy bolter upgrades to skyhammer missile launcher or two twin linked multi-meltas
stormstrike missiles can be upgraded to a twin linked lascannon.

Helfrost Destructor
Dispersed 24" S6 AP3 Hvy1, Helfrost, Large Blast
Focused 24" S8 AP1, Hvy1, Helfrost, Lance

Stormstrike Missile 72" S8 AP2 hvy1 Concussive one shot only

Okay, now I want one.

**Kanluwen**

pretre wrote:

Okay, now I want one.

I'm not ashamed to say I want two.

**pretre**

Kanluwen wrote:
pretre wrote:

Okay, now I want one.

I'm not ashamed to say I want two.

I'm waiting for the full codex before I get two.

See how useful they are compared to the rest. I gotta say though, the idea of 15 blood claws with rage and an Wolf Priest in one makes me tingly.

**Andilus Greatsword**

pretre wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
pretre wrote:

Okay, now I want one.

I'm not ashamed to say I want two.

I'm waiting for the full codex before I get two. See how useful they are compared to the rest. I gotta say though, the idea of 15 blood claws with rage and an Wolf Priest in one makes me tingly.

I've already got pretty much every option for the Wolves (except for Swiftclaws basically), so even if I only use it in Apoc, I still want 2.

I don't particularly like flying transports though, so unless there's some sort of awesome special rule then I'll stick with the gunboat.

**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons.

Now I'm gonna sit here and pray real real hard that it's not a butt ugly model. What does it mean it has the look of "Half of a Caestus Assault Ram"? I assume it looks like one split in half? For some reason I'm imagining it like one of the fighter ships from Battlestar Galactica.

**Jefffar**

I think that the transport capabilities of the version described above are going to be limited. The Stormfang is probably more super Stormtalon rather than a troop hauler.

**kodos**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons.

Now I'm gonna sit here and pray real real hard that it's not a butt ugly model. What does it mean it has the look of "Half of a Caestus Assault Ram"? I assume it looks like one split in half? For some reason I'm imagining it like one of the fighter ships from Battlestar Galactica.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/86/Sharkassaultboat.jpg

Maybe like a shark assault boat just smaller

**Triszin**

Wait, shark boat is real?

**Uriels_Flame**

Any word on if they get the LRBT ? Im in the same boat as SW shouldnt fly but have more anti-air ability...

**Andilus Greatsword**

kodos wrote:
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons.

Now I'm gonna sit here and pray real real hard that it's not a butt ugly model. What does it mean it has the look of "Half of a Caestus Assault Ram"? I assume it looks like one split in half? For some reason I'm imagining it like one of the fighter ships from Battlestar Galactica.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/86/Sharkassaultboat.jpg

Maybe like a shark assault boat just smaller

So basically, closer to the Stormeagle rather than the Stormraven? Fingers crossed...

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

New Rumors:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/07/space-wolves-rules-grey-hunters.html

via an must remain anonymous source on Faeit 212
Your information on space wolves main units is a bit off.

Grey Hunters are not cheaper, they are still 15/model.

They come with Bolter, Bolt Pistol, grenades, ATSKNF, Counter Attack and Acute Senses.

They can have one model upgraded to a Wolf Guard, for +10 points, who gets +1Ld/attack and access to wargear. (Same as veteran sergeants, except that if not taken, there isn't a "character" in the unit the way normal sergeants are).

They can take 1 special weapon, or 2 at 10 man. They are limited only to special weapons and not heavy as per normal. They pay the same points as space marines now, not a discount and not a free one at 10.

They can also take plasma pistols at 1 per 5 in addition to special weapons.

They can swap their bolter for a chainsword at no cost, on a model-by-model basis, and it specifies that it must also be represented on the model.

Wolf banners are still in, but aren't as good and cost 15 points not 10.

Bloodclaws are 13 points per model, minimum 5 up to 20. Similar as above for upgrades. Unlike what's in stormclaw, if you upgrade a Bloodclaw to a Wolf Guard he gets +1 WS and BS (to take him to 4/4). They have rage now instead of their former +d3 attacks on the charge.

Wolf Guard terminators are now an entry, as are Wolf Guard non terminators, so no mixing and matching. No more pack leader separating of Wolf Guard to join other squads. Just upgrades in unit.

While I'm sure that a lot of people will be flipping over the loss of certain iconic character elements for space wolves, the new stuff in the book isn't just "Wolf This" "Wolf That" and they still remain sufficiently divergent from normal marines, with points costs that are now in line with them. Though I won't deny that they definitely were toned down in a lot of ways (that they weren't really overpowered in by any real means) they have been compensated for by gaining access to things like space marine AA tanks, a new flyer and some really nifty formations.

Logan Grimnar and Bjorn are Lords of War.

**Uriels_Flame**

Has the "free" Ragnar rumor popped up again, or is that one pretty much dead?

**kodos**

No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

kodos wrote:
No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword

You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.

LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?

**pretre**

And just as a voice of reason, remember these are coming from Natfka.

**Paradigm**

Interesting, and not good, news about the GH. No cost drop, I think is fine, they're easily worth the 1ppm over Tactical Marines. The special weapons, the same. But losing BP/Bolter/CCW I don't like. I can even accept buying it at an extra +1ppm, but not having the option would be very disappointing.

**Bulldogging**

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
kodos wrote:
No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword

You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.

LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?

Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

Bulldogging wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
kodos wrote:
No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword

You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.

LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?

Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).

True, but counter-attack alone justifies GH being more expensive than regular SM.

**daemonish**

I have only Skimmed, but any word on the return of the Wulfen?