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**Thorgrim Bloodcrow**

Anpu42 wrote:
SarisKhan wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
It's going to be Long Fangs throwing snowballs, you know it!

No, they are Wolfballs, of suspiciously yellowish hue.

With Rocks in them!

Only if you pay extra and it grants them rending.

**Uriels_Flame**

Fayric wrote:

Edit: at the same time, the rules in the storm claw box hint that SW will loose much of its indiviuality,
so im not realistically hoping for much changes and new stuff at all.

I don't see this so much as the supplement rules were basic for new players.

I would hope to see better rules/formations in the actual codex.

**Deadshot**

Does anyone think Krom Dragongaze might get rules in the new Codex as a Special Character? Might enable them to sell the model separately as a clampak.

**reds8n**

Did wonder about that.

Figure "best" we might get is him as an addition in the (eventual) FAQ -- bit like they did with the limited edition DA Chaplain when DV first came out.

Although he disappeared from it as/when they updated the FAQS to their current status.

**Fayric**

Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

**pretre**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:
In this case he's literally just reading the preview in the White Dwarf like everyone else and extrapolating. I can't see how it's even a rumor.

Because, unlike us, he's positioning it as a 'rumor' from his 'inside sources' whereas we're just speculating.

**Triszin**

Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

If they add a MotW parts to alll boxes. =DDDDDDDD now stop dreaming Triszin. Stop it.

**godswildcard**

Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

I would LOVE to see them bring back the Wulfen models from Eye of Terror.

Come to think of it, why DOESN'T GW bring back a lot of those LE models from campaigns? It seems like they would sell like hotcakes.

Wulfen for SW come to mind
as do Slayer Doomseekers, the Goblin Hewer and Garagrim Ironfist from the Fantasy Storm of Chaos Campaign.

Heck, pretty much all the models from any of the campaigns they used to do would still sell quite well I think. Many of them are some of the best they've ever done. Is it that hard to convert molds over to finecast or plastic? You know they've still got the molds lying around somewhere!

**Kanluwen**

Most of those models were not simply available "from the campaigns". The Wulfen, Doomseekers, Goblin Hewer, and Ironfist were available for three or so years before they did the next army books for the factions.

**godswildcard**

Kanluwen wrote:
Most of those models were not simply available "from the campaigns". The Wulfen, Doomseekers, Goblin Hewer, and Ironfist were available for three or so years before they did the next army books for the factions.

Sooooo.....you're saying we could TOTALLY bring them back, right???

I dunno. I guess I really don't know what goes into making molds to use the correct materials.

**Crazyterran**

elStrages wrote:
In the description you have put it has a six model transport capacity. This is wrong. It's sixteen!

See bellow, I was a pic of this on page 15 but it was washed out with the flash

So it's better in every way than a Stormraven? (Though, I guess it doesn't get Stormstrikes, but instead gets 4 more slots for people!)

Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolters, and whatever a Helfrost weapon does. And those heavy bolters can become 2 Multimeltas for 20pts.

It better cost like, 250+ points... it has more firepower than a land raider, and arguably more survivable with that Ceramite. It pretty much crushes the Stormraven by comparison.

EDIT: Just found out it costs 15pts more than a baseline Stomraven. Realllly? Reallllly?

**Bulldogging**

Crazyterran wrote:
elStrages wrote:
In the description you have put it has a six model transport capacity. This is wrong. It's sixteen!

See bellow, I was a pic of this on page 15 but it was washed out with the flash

So it's better in every way than a Stormraven? (Though, I guess it doesn't get Stormstrikes, but instead gets 4 more slots for people!)

Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolters, and whatever a Helfrost weapon does. And those heavy bolters can become 2 Multimeltas for 20pts.

It better cost like, 250+ points... it has more firepower than a land raider, and arguably more survivable with that Ceramite. It pretty much crushes the Stormraven by comparison.

The points are already leaked.

The transport one you mentioned, Storm Wolf, starts at 215.

I agree I think it's better too, but the Storm Raven has slightly more transport ability.

**pretre**

Crazyterran wrote:
elStrages wrote:
In the description you have put it has a six model transport capacity. This is wrong. It's sixteen!

See bellow, I was a pic of this on page 15 but it was washed out with the flash

So it's better in every way than a Stormraven? (Though, I guess it doesn't get Stormstrikes, but instead gets 4 more slots for people!)

Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolters, and whatever a Helfrost weapon does. And those heavy bolters can become 2 Multimeltas for 20pts.

It better cost like, 250+ points... it has more firepower than a land raider, and arguably more survivable with that Ceramite. It pretty much crushes the Stormraven by comparison.

EDIT: Just found out it costs 15pts more than a baseline Stomraven. Realllly? Reallllly?

Spoiler:

TLDR?
SR carries 4 less than the transport (not counting the dread) and has more guns
The SR has more transport but less valuable guns than the gunship.
The SR is 10-15 points cheaper than either wolf variant and has much better gun arcs.

**Deadshot**

Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

Lone Wolf is easily represented by the Plastic box, so it has a kit. Either the SM commander with Wolfy bits, or from the SW Pack box, like PA Wolf Guard, Blood Claws, and GH.

Mark of the Wulfen is an upgrade not a model. Even just a painted on symbol could suffice.

I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.

**pretre**

Deadshot wrote:
I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Accessories-Frame

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It doesn't have Termy bits, but the rest is there...

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Although if you buy a single wolf pack, it is often enough to bling out 20-30 marines.

**Deadshot**

pretre wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Accessories-Frame

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It doesn't have Termy bits, but the rest is there...

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Although if you buy a single wolf pack, it is often enough to bling out 20-30 marines.

I had no idea that was there! When did that get added? I haven't seen it before.

**Brother SRM**

pretre wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Accessories-Frame

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It doesn't have Termy bits, but the rest is there...

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Although if you buy a single wolf pack, it is often enough to bling out 20-30 marines.

Even though this sprue came out in 3rd edition, I still think it's a damn good one. Jes Goodwin is the man. You're right about the wolf pack kit though - it's got more than enough stuff to bling out 30 Marines.

**pretre**

Deadshot wrote:

I had no idea that was there! When did that get added? I haven't seen it before.

That sprue came out in 1999. It's been up on the website for as long as there's been a webstore.

**Anpu42**

Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.

**pretre**

Anpu42 wrote:
Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.

All my wulfen are dual CCW and have a Red X across their Left Shoulder pad's company marking (ala DC).

**WallaceMerrett**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
My interpretation is that you have to run it exactly as modelled.

There are a couple of nifty buffs going on there, and you could deep strike the Termies, but I'm not sure how you'd get the other couple of units into the fight. You can't buy dedicated transports for them, so either they hitch a ride elsewhere, or they're relegated to backfield or footslogging use... I guess you could load one of them with Krom onto a Stormfang (that's the 6-transport one, right?), but you'd only have them on the table by T3...

I don't really see you getting all 3 units to somewhere useful till T3 or so, at which point their reroll buffs might just about make up for their inactivity for the first couple of turns, assuming the rest of your army isn't much faster; but said buffs probably don't make up for the loss of Objective Secured, or for having to buy plasma pistols...

I didn't even consider the lack of dedicated transports... but yes if the Formation a) requires the builds as outlined in the titular units and b) does not allow extension upon them this is useless for all but the starter box and beginner in store battles (SW force equates to 600pts to the dot). I'd have to say as a somewhat long term player now I'd be pretty annoyed if this was my entry point and I'd built the models as per the Formation!

I was always going to use them to bolster my SW force anyway, but if the Formation was not so restricted I *may* have tried it out in a few larger point battles; oh well, now to assemble them as planned, that empty Stormwolf needs filling full of eager Blood Claws! Lukas, step forward!

**Anpu42**

pretre wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.

All my wulfen are dual CCW and have a Red X across their Left Shoulder pad's company marking (ala DC).

That works

**AllSeeingSkink**

Anpu42 wrote:
Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.

Yeah, but the point is there's no official model called "mark of the wulfen" or "lone wolf", so they are at risk of being chopped like most (all?) things that don't have models.

Though I think MOTW and Lone Wolves probably fall in to the same category as Conscripts, there are no models called "Conscripts", but it's just a different paint job on a regular guardsmen so it didn't get removed from the IG codex like a lot of other things have been.

**Anpu42**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Anpu42 wrote:
Fayric wrote:
Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.

Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.

I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.
Yeah, but the point is there's no official model called "mark of the wulfen" or "lone wolf", so they are at risk of being chopped like most (all?) things that don't have models.

Though I think MOTW and Lone Wolves probably fall in to the same category as Conscripts, there are no models called "Conscripts", but it's just a different paint job on a regular guardsmen so it didn't get removed from the IG codex like a lot of other things have been.

True, I do hope MotW and Lone Wolves stay, I love my Two Lone Wolves: MotW, Storm Shield, CCW and a pair of wolves for only 85 points.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Anyone care to start imagining what the new Helfrost guns will look like?

I'm actually really hoping this becomes a weapon for Long Fangs, I'm gonna try and find a good tutorial on how to make icicles, maybe do some kind of backwash from the blast coating part of their Power Armour or something.

Helfrost looks awesome on the flyer, but I can't see it being particularly worthwhile on Long Fangs (it'd be the lesser version of course). I'll probably stick with Missile Launchers and Lascannons.

**pretre**

I'm betting that the Natfka/Voice/Vela train is wrong and we won't see Helfrost on other units. Afterall, you didn't see the DA Flyer's gun on DA Tac's.

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

pretre wrote:
I'm betting that the Natfka/Voice/Vela train is wrong and we won't see Helfrost on other units. Afterall, you didn't see the DA Flyer's gun on DA Tac's.

Uh, isn't that more because the DA flyer gun is pure crap?

**fedorarogue**

The DA book though like the chaos one is really a completely different breed of book in that it was a way older look at how they handled codexes. Like how Eldar and Tau are very similar in design. With the release of the new ork codex it is tough to see which of the basically 3 different design formats GW is going to run with. Each had different ways of shifting the armies around.

**Nevelon**

We didn’t get grav cannons on regular devastators either. Probably because GW didn’t make a marine portable one. If GW makes a new longfang squad, or some new SW sprue and includes the bits for frost guns, I suspect we’ll see them on marines. If not, vehicle only.

If they are getting a dread kit, I’d expect to see them there.

**Anpu42**

Something I though about if the Grey Hunters Rumors are true.

Take 10 Grey Hunters
Upgrade To the Wolf Guard: Take a Combi-Plasma [I assume this is an option]
Take 2 Plasma Guns
Take 2 Plasma Pistols
Shove them in a Drop Pod

That is a 1st Turn 12" 8x Short Plasma Bubble

Haters are still going to have reasons to Hate them.