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After being left with the head of Titus in the Sternguard Veteran box and a small Deathwatch force building, I had an idea for a new headcanon. What if, after Titus was and found pure, he was taken in to the Deathwatch to use those talents? Or would he be taken to another Imperial institution? How does the idea sound?

It's a neat idea, and perfectly justifiable. The Inquisitor, once he discovered Titus is not a heretic, would probably want to utilise his unique ability, and the Deathwatch would allow him todo that with some degree of anonymity (so as not to offend the Ultramarines ect).

I say go for it. Bonus points if you equip him with Teeth of Terra, Primarch's Wrath and the Armour Indomitus to make his just as badass on the tabletop (I run this setup for Titus with my 2nd co, it's pricey but deadly)

Yeah, sounds fun! Besides, the Primarch's Wrath is the closest thing I'll get to Special Issue Ammo on a Captain!

it's certinly better then the lame story THQ apparently had in mind for the rest of the trilogy that never launched

BrianDavion wrote:
it's certinly better then the lame story THQ apparently had in mind for the rest of the trilogy that never launched

Not that it matters in the first place, the game's noncanon IIRC by word of the devs. Relic really needs to actually bother next time to look up where they're setting their next game, so they don't run into the problem of "got nommed by the nids".

BrianDavion wrote:
it's certinly better then the lame story THQ apparently had in mind for the rest of the trilogy that never launched

What was that?

Relic really needs to actually bother next time to look up where they're setting their next game, so they don't run into the problem of "got nommed by the nids".

There is no "next time" for Relic.

 Wyzilla wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
it's certinly better then the lame story THQ apparently had in mind for the rest of the trilogy that never launched

Not that it matters in the first place, the game's noncanon IIRC by word of the devs. Relic really needs to actually bother next time to look up where they're setting their next game, so they don't run into the problem of "got nommed by the nids".

Just write it off as a different Graia, considering the one in Spess Mahreen was situated in Segmentum Ultima.

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
it's certinly better then the lame story THQ apparently had in mind for the rest of the trilogy that never launched

What was that?

Yeah, I'm intrigued too. What did they have planned?

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/21/warhammer-40000-space-marine-trilogys-unfinish-story-has-been-told/

Speaking to Penny Arcade Report, van Lierop said “I had some big plans for Titus. The second part of his story was to focus on a ‘Titus Unleashed’ plot–basically there were forces arrayed against him that would see his loyalty to the Adeptus Astartes pushed to its limit, and his reaction would be to kind of ‘go rogue,’ and we’d see a different Titus, not quite as in control as we saw him in Space Marine. He would be kicked out as a consequence–exiled, which would basically be a death sentence for him.”

van Lierop goes on to say that Titus would have come back filled with steely resolve to complete the trilogy in one final conflict, the other Space Marines coming to his side and helping him to eventually become the head of a new Space Marine Chapter.

Unfortunately, it looks like none of this will ever get to play out. But at least we know now, right?

Ah. I take back everything I ever said about wanting Space Marine 2. I mean, it's like they watched 'Licence to Kill' (where Bond goes rouge to pursue a personal vendetta) and thought 'yep, that'll do. Throw in a bit of bastardised Uriel Ventris and we're good to go.'

Also:
'other space marines come to his side and set up a new Chapter'. Sounds like a Chaos Warband to be

Sounds like a fascinating, original and never before seen plot.

 Paradigm wrote:
Ah. I take back everything I ever said about wanting Space Marine 2. I mean, it's like they watched 'Licence to Kill' (where Bond goes rouge to pursue a personal vendetta) and thought 'yep, that'll do. Throw in a bit of bastardised Uriel Ventris and we're good to go.'

Also:
'other space marines come to his side and set up a new Chapter'. Sounds like a Chaos Warband to be

Still it's better than most stuff from the Grey Knights codex.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Ah. I take back everything I ever said about wanting Space Marine 2. I mean, it's like they watched 'Licence to Kill' (where Bond goes rouge to pursue a personal vendetta) and thought 'yep, that'll do. Throw in a bit of bastardised Uriel Ventris and we're good to go.'

Also:
'other space marines come to his side and set up a new Chapter'. Sounds like a Chaos Warband to be

Still it's better than most stuff from the Grey Knights codex.

Actually, I like most of the GK fluff. It's a little over-the-top, but that's kind of the point.

 Paradigm wrote:
Sounds like a Chaos Warband to be

Titus would definitely be a khornate berzeker.

The way it was presented that way, I can see why it doesn't appeal, but as a wider idea, I could see it working. Instead of having Titus just "go rogue", it could be Deathwatch time, where the extra autonomy works against him and he pushes more and more limits to pursue what he thinks is right. Just to throw a random example out there, he finds corruption and heresy in the ranks of some allies and he is the first one to act on it, making it appear like Titus just lost his marbles.

Yeah, I'm not sure how you all can be so opinionated against it. It is a story of loyalty and redemption and what they really mean to us. Perhaps not original but a powerful message that could've been communicated very well in a game that most people loved the first installation of!

People just love to complain I guess

proably because the way it was presented it sounds like a lame ass "I'm a rebel rrr" game.

Honestly makes sense in how they portrayed him in the game. He was questioning of strict adherence to the Codex and seemed out of place when compared to the other Ultramarines. It wouldn't be the first time a chapter was founded under odd circumstances.

Becoming a successor chapter of the Ultramarines due to a divergence in adherence to the codex sounds like a good plan sadly Titus is just one marine.

He would have done good as a Blackshield(or whatever they call Deathwatch that leave their chapter).

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Honestly makes sense in how they portrayed him in the game. He was questioning of strict adherence to the Codex and seemed out of place when compared to the other Ultramarines. It wouldn't be the first time a chapter was founded under odd circumstances.

Becoming a successor chapter of the Ultramarines due to a divergence in adherence to the codex sounds like a good plan sadly Titus is just one marine.

He would have done good as a Blackshield(or whatever they call Deathwatch that leave their chapter).

except that what ultimatly got him into trouble was that he was reported as being potentially chaos tainted. Leandros was absolutly right reporting him. he couldn't take any chances. and he'd seen first hand that a deamon can wear a friendly face.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Honestly makes sense in how they portrayed him in the game. He was questioning of strict adherence to the Codex and seemed out of place when compared to the other Ultramarines. It wouldn't be the first time a chapter was founded under odd circumstances.

Becoming a successor chapter of the Ultramarines due to a divergence in adherence to the codex sounds like a good plan sadly Titus is just one marine.

He would have done good as a Blackshield(or whatever they call Deathwatch that leave their chapter).

It would of been cool to see.

And much more accurate than ahem the Ultramarines movie. *Cough* *cough*

 changerofways wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure how you all can be so opinionated against it. It is a story of loyalty and redemption and what they really mean to us. Perhaps not original but a powerful message that could've been communicated very well in a game that most people loved the first installation of!

People just love to complain I guess

Some people are invested in the fluff of 40k, just like some people are invested in whatever silly things they care about. A story of redemption and powerful messages aren't what Ultramarines are about. A book I recently read from the Horus Heresy was an amazing example. An Ultramarine disobeyed an order from his Primarch and saved all of his men and when the battle was over, the men turned their back on the one that broke the orders. There is no 'free thinking' in the Ultramarines. It's a strict and by the book, literally in the case of the Codex, society and anything else just isn't Ultramarines. You want to do that crap, go the the White Scars or another barbarian legion.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure how you all can be so opinionated against it. It is a story of loyalty and redemption and what they really mean to us. Perhaps not original but a powerful message that could've been communicated very well in a game that most people loved the first installation of!

People just love to complain I guess

Some people are invested in the fluff of 40k, just like some people are invested in whatever silly things they care about. A story of redemption and powerful messages aren't what Ultramarines are about. A book I recently read from the Horus Heresy was an amazing example. An Ultramarine disobeyed an order from his Primarch and saved all of his men and when the battle was over, the men turned their back on the one that broke the orders. There is no 'free thinking' in the Ultramarines. It's a strict and by the book, literally in the case of the Codex, society and anything else just isn't Ultramarines. You want to do that crap, go the the White Scars or another barbarian legion.

exactly, the thing is some people LIKE the "by the book" aspect of the Ultramarines. they're the guys whom ages ago turned the art of war into a science, and literally wrote the book on it. If Relic had wanted to do some "rebel space marine" story they should have picked a differnt chapter. or maybe made one up.

My issue with it is they made it sound like he went back to the Ultramariens and other Chapters, after his Ventris-esue penance crusade, and says 'guys, I'm forming a new club, where there are less rules and more killing stuff', and somehow he's just allow to do that and not be put down in an instant. I imagine most Space Marines would hear something like that, yell 'HERETIC' and bust out the chainswords.

There are elements of it that could work, but it just seems to be a plot that doesn't fit the idea of 40k, the Ultramarines or the character.

I get that UM are the "by the book" guys...but don't forget that Guilliman was by no means the nerd with a stick up his backside. He may come across like that sometimes but he was indeed a tactical genius, and would have undoubtedly known that such narrow thinking as Leandros and his ill did, to follow the Codex by the letter would be folly. Hell, Alpharius, a Primarch, made that mistake. He believed that Guilliman would never stray from his plans and convential tactics, and that his Alpha Legion's exotic attack patterns would beat the XIIIth no question. To an extent he was right, his tactics would have beaten Guilliman's usual stuff, but Guilliman himself took a tactic he would never otherwise use and not only beat the XXth, but possibly killed Alpharius or Omegon, or both.

So its entirely possible that the Codex has a disclaimer from the big RG saying "These aren't rules, only suggestions."


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Also, I'd find it makes more sense that Titus goes into the retinue of some Inquisitor of the Ordo Malleus. Would make sense, meaning that Titus becomes his best bodyguard and also able to handle Warp-forged things without risk and keep them safe until the GK can collect or dispose of it.

Either that, or in a possibly Mary Sue manner, he's discovered to have latent psychic gifts, a tiny portion so small that the Librarians of the Ultramarines didn't detect it. But its discovered that he's on par with Purifiers in terms of pureness.

and would have undoubtedly known that such narrow thinking as Leandros and his ill did

except the big thing Leandros stuck with the Codex for was reporting his Captain for possiable chaos contamination. if Gulliman where around he'd proably look to Leandros, look to Titus and say "yeah dude we need to get you checked out just in case" (t's intreasting as both Ttitus and Uriel Ventris are cases of ultramarines captains who get sympathy for the Ultramarines being uber obsessed with the codex, but if you actually look at what they where in actual trouble FOR it wasn't some minor codex violation, but rather something any military orginization with any sense of reasonable rules would death glare them for. Titus showed signs that the Warp may have had some sort of influance over him. that's no negitive thing.

Ventris meanwhile, however well intentioned his actions, however argueably nesscarily his actions, he was guilty of abandoning his post to go off and play "commando" something that even the space wolves would have frowned on. I mean are we to belvie there was NO BODY else in his hundred man company he could send?

BrianDavion wrote:

and would have undoubtedly known that such narrow thinking as Leandros and his ill did

except the big thing Leandros stuck with the Codex for was reporting his Captain for possiable chaos contamination. if Gulliman where around he'd proably look to Leandros, look to Titus and say "yeah dude we need to get you checked out just in case" (t's intreasting as both Ttitus and Uriel Ventris are cases of ultramarines captains who get sympathy for the Ultramarines being uber obsessed with the codex, but if you actually look at what they where in actual trouble FOR it wasn't some minor codex violation, but rather something any military orginization with any sense of reasonable rules would death glare them for. Titus showed signs that the Warp may have had some sort of influance over him. that's no negitive thing.

Ventris meanwhile, however well intentioned his actions, however argueably nesscarily his actions, he was guilty of abandoning his post to go off and play "commando" something that even the space wolves would have frowned on. I mean are we to belvie there was NO BODY else in his hundred man company he could send?

That is entirely true. But it is portrayed that Leandros reported him and made him look guilty because of Titus chastising him all the time. At least to me, due to the rather aggressive tone Leandros takes to Titus, makes me believe its something personal.

There is also the case of Sidonis being killed. The suggestion there is that Sidonis, a close friend of Titus, was likely to back him up, and had done up til that point, and being the senior of Leandros, Leandros had no scope to do anything. The ending genuinely looked like a case of the newbie following the employee handbook and getting his boss fired so he could look good.

The ending genuinely looked like a case of the newbie following the employee handbook and getting his boss fired so he could look good.

sure except continueing the analogy, the new employee had solid evidance to susp[ect his boss was embezzling.

BrianDavion wrote:

The ending genuinely looked like a case of the newbie following the employee handbook and getting his boss fired so he could look good.

sure except continueing the analogy, the new employee had solid evidance to susp[ect his boss was embezzling.

That is very true. But in that situation, what a good friend and brother should have done was weigh up the evidence and given him benefit of the doubt. He then should have approached Titus and said "Captain, that was well fought but I think the Inquisition should be notified of your ability..." If Titus refused, Heretic. If he agreed, well, all is sorted out.
Rather, he went behind the Captain's back and called the Inquisition.

To continue the analogy, Leandros would have approached the boss and said "I know what you're doing, stop it or I'll call the cops." Instead of "He did it he did it *smugface*"

 Deadshot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

The ending genuinely looked like a case of the newbie following the employee handbook and getting his boss fired so he could look good.

sure except continueing the analogy, the new employee had solid evidance to susp[ect his boss was embezzling.

That is very true. But in that situation, what a good friend and brother should have done was weigh up the evidence and given him benefit of the doubt. He then should have approached Titus and said "Captain, that was well fought but I think the Inquisition should be notified of your ability..." If Titus refused, Heretic. If he agreed, well, all is sorted out.
Rather, he went behind the Captain's back and called the Inquisition.

To continue the analogy, Leandros would have approached the boss and said "I know what you're doing, stop it or I'll call the cops." Instead of "He did it he did it *smugface*"

except Leandros DID bring it up with Titus, Titus basicly just dismissed it as "I have no idea whats up with this but it's not important, let's just move on"