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Well it would be a nice link back to Sisters of Silence as they had chain-veils and helmets with port-cullis grilles, but if I'm honest I'm not sure how reliable those rumours were.

A game company that neglects an army for over a decade doesn't deserve my money.

Also: I don't believe plastic sleeves are holding them back for a second. They just can't be bothered.

I can understand it's frustrating to have to wait a long time, but obviously they haven't really been neglected as such.

Sisters have had models available up until a few months ago, and did get a Codex update.

It's just that compared to other lines in the 40K range they weren't a priority.

I know that sucks, but Marines account for the majority of 40K sales, which is why they get so much attention.

But let's not forget GW produces 3 seperate game systems and each system has multiple playable armies.

And if you consider that Dark Eldar didn't get new models for 12 years but they were worked on for 5 years you realise these things do take time.

I have seen design sketches of models that took 4-5 years to be released (Tyranid Harpy) and others that have still not been released.

GW are a big company but work at their own pace. They have realised they need to speed up, hence the new release philosophy, but I don't think people realise just how much work goes into creating their products.

I don't entirely disagree that sometimes we have to wait too long but I'd rather wait for quality than the product be rushed.

And if you read the link I put up it isn't as simple as just plastic sleeves, although that is one aspect.

It's small things such as scroll work on shoulder pads, flowing robes and dynamic hair.

In other threads I see people talk about that company in china overbooking their plastic machines. How difficult would it be for gw to rearrange their schedule to get sisters released? Would it be hard with all the single characters they are trying to push out?

This thread reminds me of my frustration and actually pushes me more to sell my last 40k army, SOB. If GW doesn't care about them, why should I?
I can get a lot of stuff for other games if I sell them.
I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
If the Sisters of Battle unexpectedly become the sole operators of an army of giant lady robot type war machines, perhaps with two variants -- a gun and a giant chainsaw -- they could become a viable army with its own codex.

There is a precedent and there are some example artwork from amazingly enough, Japan.


Giant Girl Bot attacks Tokyo.


Attack Dance Bots with Sisters crews dressed in armour.

NO.

StraightSilver wrote:
I can understand it's frustrating to have to wait a long time, but obviously they haven't really been neglected as such.

Well, they have no physical codex. They have no translated rules. They had no new models for more than 10 years. They will be in a few weeks the only army without any access to neither flyers nor anti-air weapons.

MWHistorian wrote:I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

Just box them up. They are awesome minis.

 pretre wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

Just box them up. They are awesome minis.

Add to it that the market does not really seem to be that great for metal Sisters, it's best to just box them up and wait until whenever the plastics come out to sell.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

Just box them up. They are awesome minis.

Add to it that the market does not really seem to be that great for metal Sisters, it's best to just box them up and wait until whenever the plastics come out to sell.

Yeah, there's a glut right now. They're selling for about 50-55% retail if bare right now.

Although, they may crash if plastics come out.

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

Just box them up. They are awesome minis.

Add to it that the market does not really seem to be that great for metal Sisters, it's best to just box them up and wait until whenever the plastics come out to sell.

Yeah, there's a glut right now. They're selling for about 50-55% retail if bare right now.

Although, they may crash if plastics come out.

Yeah but then you can start putting that "OOP" tag on!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

Just box them up. They are awesome minis.

Add to it that the market does not really seem to be that great for metal Sisters, it's best to just box them up and wait until whenever the plastics come out to sell.

Yeah, there's a glut right now. They're selling for about 50-55% retail if bare right now.

Although, they may crash if plastics come out.

Yeah but then you can start putting that "OOP" tag on!

People do that anyway on things that are clearly still available - apparently based on the assumption that ebay buyers are dumb and don't check these things.

They do the same thing with "pro painted".

 notprop wrote:
There's been rumours of plastic sisters since before Jes Goodwin confirmed they had been trying and failing at producing them a few years ago - something to do with their hair?

I hope this happens soon then the SoB fans can quieten down and let the Squat fans have their time in the limelight.

Yeah- GW's plastic isn't good with hair.

That's why space marine baldness is so common (and why the scouts have no texture on theirs).

They could do bald sisters. Or sisters with textureless hair. Or do Malifaux style many piece kits.

Or do what they do with other factions and let the texture disappear along the mold lines

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'd love to see these design sketches with veils if they exist.

Sounds like a nice change if true.

I'll see if I can find them.

 pretre wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:I'm debating if I should sell or hold out in hopes that GW turns around.

Just box them up. They are awesome minis.

Add to it that the market does not really seem to be that great for metal Sisters, it's best to just box them up and wait until whenever the plastics come out to sell.

Yeah, there's a glut right now. They're selling for about 50-55% retail if bare right now.

Although, they may crash if plastics come out.

WoW lucky in the US then...

UK Ebay and trade sites they go for pretty much full Price !

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
The whole "plastic sleeve problems" is BS. [...] The simple fact is GW doesn't want to.

I don't think that it is. I don't see why Jes and developers would lie about that.

However, I think that it is alongside other issues that have delayed an SoB re-work. Namely (as interviews have suggested) that Jes wants to really commit to them and do them "just right", but just hasn't gotten around to them. They may also have been passed up in favour of just doing easier updates,

But anyway, I think it's incorrect to say that GW outright doesn't want to do them. Jes and a number of game designers have expressed interest in them, and the Bretonians, who were in something of a similar state with their outdated models, are heavily rumoured to be recieving an update soon. I'm not seeing any hints that GW actually doesn't want to do an SoB update, more that they just havent gotten around to commiting to one quite yet.

 odinsgrandson wrote:
They could do bald sisters. Or sisters with textureless hair. Or do Malifaux style many piece kits.

Unacceptable. The bob cut is a fundamental part of the SoB look and is, in fact, the true source of their power.

Giant lady killer robots ftw!

I have some sympathy for GW - currently, SoB aren't much more than female marines with a different armour style and a few unique rules (as all the loyalist chapters have):
- if _female_ marines are the issue, it would be much less work for GW to simply produce a sprue of female marine torsos and legs compatible with other marine bits, announce some fluff retcon waffle re certain chapters (especially SoB) taking female recruits, then let modellers go for it. But then GW would have no real incentive to keep special SoB rules (any more than e.g. Iron Warrior chaos marines still get any unique rules), so no chance of a new codex, at most they might get a special character or dataslate/supplement.
- if the _unique armour_ is the issue, yes GW doesn't want to put heaps of effort into ultra-specialised kits - they'd probably be incompatible with any other power armour bits. Can't really believe that robes and hair are the issue though - neither are particularly rare in GW plastic.
- the other possibility is to completely reinvent the whole SoB concept, as was done with Dark Eldar. Huge amounts of work, so only likely if GW are keen to start a new 'faction' and would prefer to avoid the even bigger task of inventing a brand new race. But if so, is a 'marine variant' really going to be their choice? Doesn't seem much more likely than Squats returning.

IMHO the most likely solution is for GW to hand SoB over to FW, who can then put out a beautiful new range of new resin models and rules. Compared to some of the incredibly obscure stuff FW already puts out, SoB would sell pretty well. I'd think.

I wonder would folks be interested in why SoB will get squatted?

Any takers?

sure, why not.

You mean fluff-wise why? GW didn't exactly make much fluff effort justifying Squats' Final Doom as a Nid snack :(

possible alternate context --- No need really to hit the gas where sisters are concerned anyway , nor sense in squatting them. They are a unique niche market , really the only game in town in their niche, so the folks who want that are gonna buy that even if they have to pay more for it, regardless of whether it has AA , or is a tournament winner or not , appeals to the majority or not.
Yeah, I'm sure there are other girl armies in fantasy wargaming . Let me guess ; 1 - super models in bikinis . 2 - might as well be guys they are so masculine . 3 - overtones of bestiality and / or other really perverse stuff 4 - fantasy that is so fantastic it is generic / the lore is soo unrealistic that you might as well go ahead and make up your own lore entire , with no limits.
Granted, I haven't been researching fantasy gaming ten years, only two years , but so far Sisters of Battle are the ONLY example I've run across that represents a halfway average, halfway normal, halfway wholesome, halfway clean-cut girl next door ,
( The average , normal , girl next door is a religious nut ? Umm , I guess you spend all your time in guy-places then. Pick any church, Catholic, Methodist, Missionary Baptist, Mormon , whatever , or synagogue , or Mosque for that matter, and walk in. two out of three , or four out of five, of the people within will be female. " Religion is a chauvinist plot " is the self-serving myth of Hugh Hefner and Gloria Steinem types . but that's sorta another topic ---except it isn't if it goes towards explaining why Sisters are STILL being sold after TEN YEARS of little attention . )
with a halfway realistic lore behind it.

I could go on , but suffice to say , like I said in the beginning, I suspect it's a near-monopolized niche, so it sells steadily and reliably and it's fans aren't going anywhere , love or no love. Indeed, it could be that if you tinker with what isn't broken you lose that niche and that reliable sale. Like I suggested, Super models in bikinis, body builder girls, girls with tentacles , and space elves / fairies are already being done by everyone else. Real life good girl with gun ? Nobody.

 Clang wrote:
I have some sympathy for GW - currently, SoB aren't much more than female marines with a different armour style and a few unique rules (as all the loyalist chapters have):

They are not marine. Not only fluffwise. S3, T3 is a big deal. They share a few wargear with marine, but that is all.

 Clang wrote:
But then GW would have no real incentive to keep special SoB rules (any more than e.g. Iron Warrior chaos marines still get any unique rules)

Except that they are much more different from, say, vanilla marines than Dark Angels, or Blood Angels, or Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights.

I was worried they were going to be killed of for 7th but was pleasantly surprised when they still had a reasonable presence in the new edition and are even one of the featured armies being painted up by one of the staffers in White Dwarf at the moment......

If the claim of "hair is hard" wasn't bunk before, it's definitely been solved by now

 Crevab wrote:
If the claim of "hair is hard" wasn't bunk before, it's definitely been solved by now

Hmm the witch elves would like a word with you lol

 Crevab wrote:
If the claim of "hair is hard" wasn't bunk before, it's definitely been solved by now

Ditto for sleeves.

Normally I'd be more sceptical about these rumours, given that Iuntil recently GW seemed determined to bury this army. I thought the "Codex" they brought was a sop. "There, you can play them with th current rules, now leave us alone!"

However, the current release schedule leaves me feeling a little more optimistic. There'll surely come a point when they run out of updates for the other armies, at which point they'll presumably have time to dedicate to a proper SoB re-launch. How long will that take? No idea, but can at last see it happening in this edition.

 Troike wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
The whole "plastic sleeve problems" is BS. [...] The simple fact is GW doesn't want to.

I don't think that it is. I don't see why Jes and developers would lie about that.

However, I think that it is alongside other issues that have delayed an SoB re-work. Namely (as interviews have suggested) that Jes wants to really commit to them and do them "just right", but just hasn't gotten around to them. They may also have been passed up in favour of just doing easier updates,

But anyway, I think it's incorrect to say that GW outright doesn't want to do them. Jes and a number of game designers have expressed interest in them, and the Bretonians, who were in something of a similar state with their outdated models, are heavily rumoured to be recieving an update soon. I'm not seeing any hints that GW actually doesn't want to do an SoB update, more that they just havent gotten around to commiting to one quite yet.

Or they don't see it as having a strong immediate return on the investment. It seems like they're looking at this year as a sort of damage control, and trying to get the low hanging fruit. If every new codex is the same investment of time/energy/money for them, then it makes sense to go after things that they know will sell rather well (ie- more Space Marine codexes) rather than the forces that are played by a relative few hardcore fans.

They'll probably update them when GW finances are looking a bit more stable (and not right after they've decided to do an unscheduled update to 7th edition).

GW is a profit driven corporation- and a lot of their decisions are going to be based on that. Statements like "We can't do them right now because we don't have time to do them right" is a good spin on "We need to put out other books that sell better right now, then we'll start looking at less financially promising projects like Sisters."

For this reason, I'm not holding my breath about having a new Kroot army list (as cool as Kroot were, the latest force list for them is 3rd ed).

 Troike wrote:

 odinsgrandson wrote:
They could do bald sisters. Or sisters with textureless hair. Or do Malifaux style many piece kits.

Unacceptable. The bob cut is a fundamental part of the SoB look and is, in fact, the true source of their power.

Very old Sisters of Battle artwork shows them bald (and I'll admit, there never was much sisters artwork back then). Their look was re-imagined towards the end of trhe 2nd edition when they actually got their own codex (before that, they sat alongside other "Imperial Agents" in an allies only list).

*peers at Space Wolves*

I don't thnk hair's the issue.

 odinsgrandson wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 odinsgrandson wrote:
They could do bald sisters. Or sisters with textureless hair. Or do Malifaux style many piece kits.

Unacceptable. The bob cut is a fundamental part of the SoB look and is, in fact, the true source of their power.

Very old Sisters of Battle artwork shows them bald (and I'll admit, there never was much sisters artwork back then). Their look was re-imagined towards the end of trhe 2nd edition when they actually got their own codex (before that, they sat alongside other "Imperial Agents" in an allies only list).

He was just joking: the most powerful Sister ever has no bob cut whatsoever.

Plastic sisters riding in on a plastic thunderhawk with rules contained in chaos legion supplements. Some rumors never die, no matter how silly