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Epic troll on that story, A.

 streetsamurai wrote:
so GW cant do woman hair in plastic. !!!
I guess this http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Dark-Elves-Witch-Elves

this http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Sisters-of-Avelorn

and this http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Dark-Elf-Sorceress


are made out of cotton candy

Or have a look over at the LOTR range...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Mirkwood-Rangers

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warriors-of-Erebor

There's also these 2, though I can't tell if the hair actually has texture or if it's just painted on...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Tauriel

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Legolas-Greenleaf

Remembering that LOTR is also a significantly smaller scale than 40k (I'd guess the heads are probably half the size).

 Achaylus72 wrote:
It would certainly be a money winner, but it would cause almost total destruction to the Lord of the Rings and up-coming Hobbit range, this is in violation of its license to fully support this range, it couldn't with Sisters a reality, then this would cause a almost catastrophic impact of Fantasy with Fantasy players leaving this genre in their droves, and also this would also impact heavily on the rest of 40,000 itself, with only Chaos and Imperial forces surviving, factions like Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons, Tyranids would be left to rot on the shelves gathering dust.

The release of Sisters would leave Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons and Tyranids rotting on the shelf?


AHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA! x 1,000,000

Oh who honestly believed that tripe?

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
And here i thought it was Claire from Faust

Spoiler:

Nope. I do not know that comic, but here is the full illustration:

I love how she looks more like an angry walking tank rather than pretty sexy lady. Her armor seems at least twice as thick as the one on the digidex cover, and maybe three times as thick as the one of 2nd edition cover.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The release of Sisters would leave Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Orks, Necrons and Tyranids rotting on the shelf?
AHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA! x 1,000,000
Oh who honestly believed that tripe?

Yeah, we know that you do not like Sisters. No need to pretend to take seriously something that was very, very obviously a joke though.

I don't dislike Sisters. I'm ambivalent. I dislike most Sisters players, as they seem determined to fit to a certain sterotype.

So, do you mean you actually thought Achaylus72 was being serious rather than joking?

At the risk of being a killjoy, this thread seems to have lost any pretence of fitting in to the "news and rumours" category - and yes I've contributed to that! - time to shut it down perhaps?

Yes, the rumor was very weak from the start anyway. But I thought some people might have been interested by it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes, the rumor was very weak from the start anyway. But I thought some people might have been interested by it.

Absolutely, and a perfectly valid and enjoyable post; I cling to the weakest rumours like a drowning man. I just think we've wrung this one dry - apologies for the mixed metaphors.

And no one has to agree of course

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Did you mean my avatar? It is an official artwork from Games Workshop!

No, your signature. Butt-windows and armoured bikinis agogo if Roginshirozz did not-SoB, if most of their 'toughest girls in the galaxy' and other feminininily-inclined offerings are anything to go by.
(I'd much sooner Victoria Lamb tackled the subject)

I agree with you completely about the full artwork you took your avatar from!

 the_Armyman wrote:
If you say a lie enough times, it eventually becomes truth. Can someone point me to the original post (obviously with attached video of Jes Goodwin speaking the words) where it was said that the sleeves and hair were an impenetrable barrier to plastic sisters? I've asked this question before and never got a response from those that parrot this myth.

 Troike wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
He was just joking: the most powerful Sister ever has no bob cut whatsoever.

Yeah, Celestine has managed to tap into the power of the pixie cut.

Mmm, dat pixie cut.

Well it was me that spoke to Jes at length back in 2010, I even posted the original link in this thread.

I don't have video footage of our conversation, but if you read the original Warseer thread you will see that everything else Jes told me was true so you'll just have to trust me.

And I don't think enough people on here understand the limitations of plastic tooling for multi part kits to get the fact that somethings as simple as dynamic hair, robes and indented script on armour panels could cause so many problems but they really can.

Jes told me that the lessons learned from Dark Eldar could be put to use on plastic Sisters. When you consider that plastic Dark Eldar design was started in 2005 and apparently plastic sisters either pre date or were being worked on at around the same time then that means the original CAD designs for plastic SoB are getting on for 10 years old now.

A lot has changed in the last ten years, the plastic Dark Elves and Dark Eldar have proved it can be done so I dare say that Sisters will be revisited, but I can assure you the "hair and robes" thing is not BS, I know because I was there....

Phil Kelly also alluded to there being modelling issues with the Sisters just last year:

Oh yeah, one last thing about the Sisters of Battle. According to Phil Kelly, the reason why they never got plastic minis was because they couldn't be plastic moulded by the current process. He wasn't really sure what the issue was, but there was something about the sculpt which meant that it could only be cast in metal.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/sisters-of-battle.html

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes, the rumor was very weak from the start anyway. But I thought some people might have been interested by it.

It's... Not all that weak, actually. Aside from that, on faeit we have two other accounts of the same seminar, and both have GW mentioning the Sisters. One also says that GW hinted at a supplement release for the Sisters at some point, and the other seemed to have Jes saying that he would want to commit fully to updating them, but seemingly not ruling out a plastic kit/dataslate. And reading all three accounts together, they do seem to more or less match up.

Regardless, seems that we've got GW people talking about an SoB release possibly happening in the future, which is very good.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I like the page boy hairdo but it could just be changed to a helmet of the same shape, which would give the SoB a distinctive uniform look.

I don't know why they can't just produce the Sabbat helmet and roll with that. Perhaps have one or two helmless heads.

Not sure how I feel about Sisters becoming a FW product, I want a proper hard back codex and plastic kits.

If GW has given SoB to FW thinking the army is a 'non-starter' financially I hope FW do a good job of it and it sells well making GW want to take it back into the mainstream.

D

StraightSilver wrote:

Well it was me that spoke to Jes at length back in 2010, I even posted the original link in this thread.

I don't have video footage of our conversation, but if you read the original Warseer thread you will see that everything else Jes told me was true so you'll just have to trust me.

Thanks for the link, Silver. I went back and skimmed the Warseer thread. Here's the problem I have. Sometimes, we tell small lies because the truth hurts. It's easier to tell someone (especially a fan) that a technical issue is causing a problem rather than a more complicated one such as finances or upper management. Throw money and desire at a technical issue, it goes away very fast. Nothing fixes a boss that doesn't care or a finance guy's profitability analysis.

Sisters were not ported to Finecast. The metal is disappearing from the webstore. I don't see them getting the Squat treatment, but I don't ever expect any more than what we have now.

Step 1.) Give Sister to FW
Step 2.) If people start fielding entire FW armies of resin SIsters, demand dictates new plastic models

They will never totally "squat" Sisters. Space Dwarfs were retired to get away from 40K being a parody of Warhammer Fantasy in space.

 the_Armyman wrote:

Sisters were not ported to Finecast. The metal is disappearing from the webstore. I don't see them getting the Squat treatment, but I don't ever expect any more than what we have now.

Look at the Wood Elf range. See how little of it got ported to Finecast.

I look at plastic kits from companies like Dragon and Tamiya, and I think it can be done. I'm sure you could do the heads with a separate hair piece rather than casting the heads in one go. I think a distinct lack of interest by management is holding them back.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

Sisters were not ported to Finecast. The metal is disappearing from the webstore. I don't see them getting the Squat treatment, but I don't ever expect any more than what we have now.

Look at the Wood Elf range. See how little of it got ported to Finecast.

My memory is pretty poor when it comes to Fantasy releases, but how much time was there between when Finecast started hitting the shelves and the most recent release of Wood Elves plastics? No Finecast could have been because they were already in the development cycle. Also, some Finecast is significantly more than none

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

Sisters were not ported to Finecast. The metal is disappearing from the webstore. I don't see them getting the Squat treatment, but I don't ever expect any more than what we have now.

Look at the Wood Elf range. See how little of it got ported to Finecast.

My memory is pretty poor when it comes to Fantasy releases, but how much time was there between when Finecast started hitting the shelves and the most recent release of Wood Elves plastics? No Finecast could have been because they were already in the development cycle. Also, some Finecast is significantly more than none

I'm not talking about things being "converted from plastic to Finecast".

There is a whole SLEW of models that are still metal for Wood Elves.
If you want a complete list?
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal
Still metal and plastic combo kit
Still metal

To give you an idea though? There is a reason that Waywatchers and the Waywatcher Lord, along with most of the characters have been going out of stock for almost a month at a time.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I like the page boy hairdo but it could just be changed to a helmet of the same shape, which would give the SoB a distinctive uniform look.

I don't know why they can't just produce the Sabbat helmet and roll with that. Perhaps have one or two helmless heads.

There is a reason why we dont have that many sisters with helmets and that is because they're not standard issue. They have to earn it first. Stupid reason? aye. but fluff has it that way right now.

edit: meant to say They're not given immediately to sisters. They -are- standard issue but they still have to earn them.

I think you're confusing the second helmet (which is special issue) with the first helmet.

 adamsouza wrote:
They will never totally "squat" Sisters. Space Dwarfs were retired to get away from 40K being a parody of Warhammer Fantasy in space.

Yes, because a game with Space Humans, Space Super Knights, Space Tomb Kings, Space Super Vampires, Space Elves, Space Dark Elves, Space Evil Humans, Space Super Evil Humans, Daemons in SPAAAAACE! and Space Super Vikings as playable factions, with background mentions of Space Ratmen and Space Lizardmen could only be a parody of WHFB due to there being Space Dwarfs...

Don't get me wrong, Squats was (and still is) a silly name for the army, but cancelling them, and trying to pretend they never existed was a stupid move. In Epic, they worked - it is just a shame no-one could be bothered to put the effort in for standard 40k.

 the_Armyman wrote:
It's easier to tell someone (especially a fan) that a technical issue is causing a problem rather than a more complicated one such as finances or upper management.

But that's not the only reason that's been given. From the accounts of the seminar, the fact that the Sisters were a big job and Jes Goodwin wanting to properly commit to them also seem to be a factor. Which makes sense, he sounded set on doing them "properly" when he spoke about them in 2011.

teban wrote:
There is a reason why we dont have that many sisters with helmets and that is because they're not standard issue. They have to earn it first. Stupid reason? aye. but fluff has it that way right now.

Pretty sure that's just FFG fluff. And FFG also has Sisters shooting lasers out of their eyes.

The codexes themselves have never said anything about it. More likely, it was just a design choice when they were made.

Point taken .

And to pretre~ I'm certain thats what the fluff says. However not official (as it seems to be from FFG). The second one is even a rarer case, as it is awarded to the best of them.

teban wrote:
However not official (as it seems to be from FFG).

That doesn't make it unofficial or anything, it just doesn't really gel with the codex fluff, in places.

40K fluff is deliberately loose and up for interpretation, so it's more a case of picking whichever you prefer.

teban wrote:
The second one is even a rarer case, as it is awarded to the best of them.

Oh, IIRC, the second one, with the fleur-de-lis on it, goes to Celestians. Maybe some Sister Superiors too, since models of helmeted Superiors have them also.

 adamsouza wrote:
Step 1.) Give Sister to FW
Step 2.) If people start fielding entire FW armies of resin SIsters, demand dictates new plastic models

What model ranges (not single models or vehicles) they let FW do and then took them 'back'?

FW: alternate IG regiments (DKoK, Elysians)
-sold well
-entire armies of them
GW: they created an own regiment (Vostroyans) and produced just more Cadian stuff

FW: Chaos Dwarfs
-dunno if sold well, not good enough I suppose
-stopped (and several options are missing)
GW: a ship for Dreadfleet...

FW: 30k/Armour variants
-sold WELL
-entire armies of them
GW: Armour through the ages (1990 models)

Giving FW stuff doesn't indicate they want to check the waters, imo. My guess is, if FW sisters sell well, FW would just produce more of them.

I can honestly say that we shouldn't expect Plastic Sisters at all, from what I'm hearing, SM will have an even larger range.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I look at plastic kits from companies like Dragon and Tamiya, and I think it can be done. I'm sure you could do the heads with a separate hair piece rather than casting the heads in one go. I think a distinct lack of interest by management is holding them back.

The moulding could easily be done.

If GW have a problem ii is only that their current plastic technology is where the big boys' was 10 years ago GW have always been behind the curve. That's why the Knight Titan has zero points of articulation, compared to Gundam kits that have 14 articulations, moving weapon parts, done in multi-colour moulded plastic for less than 1/2 the price.

teban wrote:
And to pretre~ I'm certain thats what the fluff says. However not official (as it seems to be from FFG). The second one is even a rarer case, as it is awarded to the best of them.

Yeah, FFG is it's own world, so I'll go with what's in my codex.