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I know that somewhere it says that the Adeptus Custodes are more powerful than the Primarchs but hypothetically, if a Daemon Primarch came through that hole in the Golden Throne would the Custodes be able to defeat them or would chaos finally defeat the Emperor?

Probably depends on the Primarch. Although I personally doubt a single Custodes is better than any Primarch.

Abaddon the armless wrote:
I know that somewhere it says that the Adeptus Custodes are more powerful than the Primarchs but hypothetically, if a Daemon Primarch came through that hole in the Golden Throne would the Custodes be able to defeat them or would chaos finally defeat the Emperor?

Adeptus Custodes are not that powerful. A Custode is a very powerful astartes but they cannot single a primarch. In one of the HH novels Horus slays 5 Adeptus Custodes with minimal effort.

Never mind i read it wrong i thought it said the Custodes were more powerful than Primarchs but it said they were more powerful than Astartes. Sorry.

Since a by-product of the Golden Throne and the Emperor's "metabolism" is an anti-psyker material, I doubt anything Chaos-y would be too happy in the immediate vicinity.

For clarification: I forget the exact item, but I believe it's either Psycannon Ammo or those psyker grenades that are said to be full of it.

Abaddon the armless wrote:
Never mind i read it wrong i thought it said the Custodes were more powerful than Primarchs but it said they were more powerful than Astartes. Sorry.

Just an honest mistake, it's alright.

I do believe in one of the HH books Valdor the chief custode bested a primarch in close combat

 RileyJessup wrote:
I do believe in one of the HH books Valdor the chief custode bested a primarch in close combat

Not in any Heresy book I have read. When Custodes come up in a topic one comment is always made, that Valdor beat Horus in a sparring match, but no on ever has been able to provide the source of the information. So it's dubious as to whether or not it is actually true and I highly doubt that it is.

As a general rule, Custodes are larger and stronger than Astartes. I would not say that this is true in every case as there are some exemplary Astartes out there and there are even Astartes who are mentioned as being larger and stronger than your usual Space Marine.

 RileyJessup wrote:
I do believe in one of the HH books Valdor the chief custode bested a primarch in close combat

Nah, this never happened.

The physical gap is simply too great. Custodians are on average a bit stronger, tougher, and quicker than Space Marines.

Primarchs can tear Custodians to pieces with their bare hands, and have done so. Just ask Angron, who butchered ten Custodians unarmed and unarmoured with his bare hands.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 RileyJessup wrote:
I do believe in one of the HH books Valdor the chief custode bested a primarch in close combat

Nah, this never happened.

The physical gap is simply too great. Custodians are on average a bit stronger, tougher, and quicker than Space Marines.

Primarchs can tear Custodians to pieces with their bare hands, and have done so. Just ask Angron, who butchered ten Custodians unarmed and unarmoured with his bare hands.

Well....Angron is the strongest of the primarchs. except for maybe sanq.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 RileyJessup wrote:
I do believe in one of the HH books Valdor the chief custode bested a primarch in close combat

Nah, this never happened.

The physical gap is simply too great. Custodians are on average a bit stronger, tougher, and quicker than Space Marines.

Primarchs can tear Custodians to pieces with their bare hands, and have done so. Just ask Angron, who butchered ten Custodians unarmed and unarmoured with his bare hands.

Well....Angron is the strongest of the primarchs. except for maybe sanq.

And yet Vulkan or Ferrus Manus would say otherwise

Angron is possibly one of, if not the best combatant, but not necessarily the strongest.

Idk...angron can stop a titan from crushing him.... I would say he is stronger than the rest.

But its hard to say, He has a good mix of strenght / Fighting skil.

Ferrus Manus is the strongest because of his heavily augmented body. But flesh wise, Vulkan is the strongest. Vulkan grew up on Nocturne, and Nocturne had heavy gravity that naturally made all its inhabitants strong as a result. The Salamanders are even known to possess a bit more strength than their brother chapters but their reflexes were slightly slower.

My fluff may be a little off though, so if anyone knows differently, don't be shy.

Edit: this is a double post. If a moderator could delete it, thank you

Angron was actually one of the shortest of the Primarchs.

Napoleon syndrome explains everything.

Angron spent his life of Roids(butchers nails) and constant fighting. I would have to say he would be as strong(if not stronger ) than vulkan.

I know he was able to hold off a titan foot from crushing him(which just seems outrageous for fluff). But its hard to say, idk if the 2 primarchs ever crossed paths in battle.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Angron spent his life of Roids(butchers nails) and constant fighting. I would have to say he would be as strong(if not stronger ) than vulkan.

I know he was able to hold off a titan foot from crushing him(which just seems outrageous for fluff). But its hard to say, idk if the 2 primarchs ever crossed paths in battle.

Angron stopping a titans foot from crushing him to a pulp? What is happening to 40k???? That is impossible.

Well, I guess Angron is the strongest. Psshh


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DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Angron spent his life of Roids(butchers nails) and constant fighting. I would have to say he would be as strong(if not stronger ) than vulkan.

I know he was able to hold off a titan foot from crushing him(which just seems outrageous for fluff). But its hard to say, idk if the 2 primarchs ever crossed paths in battle.

Angron stopping a titans foot from crushing him to a pulp? What is happening to 40k???? That is impossible.

Well, I guess Angron is the strongest. Psshh

Yeah , Someone really messed up the lore on that.

Sounds like he was given a matt ward treatment.
but make no mistake...He didnt just walk away unharmed. He was severally injured

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Yeah , Someone really messed up the lore on that.

Sounds like he was given a matt ward treatment.
but make no mistake...He didnt just walk away unharmed. He was severally injured

That's the greatest dose of Matt Ward I've ever known.

Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

still... a warhound titan is bigger than your average tank.

The fact that angron was able to do that is just insane(over board in fluff).


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I guess i should stop going Off topic with the OP lol

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

It may be the smallest of Titans, but it's still 12 meters tall and weighs over 400 tons.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

Primarchs arent exactly "normal". I mean yeah, angron shouldnt be able to do that in his normal form. Maybe if he was a deamon prince, then yeah i can see it

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

Something impossible in 40K! Imagine that.........

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

Considering space marines are well over seven hundred pounds, Angron's at least well over a ton in armor. Probably something like 1,200-1,700. If not more depending on how dense a Primarch and his armor is.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

It was a Warhound, not a Warlord.

Also 700 pounds seems awfully light for a damn Primarch.

pm713 wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

Something impossible in 40K! Imagine that.........

Angron can survive a Titans foot?


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 Wyzilla wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

Considering space marines are well over seven hundred pounds, Angron's at least well over a ton in armor. Probably something like 1,200-1,700. If not more depending on how dense a Primarch and his armor is.

Eh, whatever. Like I said, compare that to 880,000 pounds and let me know if he can lift it.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Uh, Warhounds are not that big.

Titans in 40K are generally tiny next to comparable things.

Like, the main character in Mass Effect kills 3 Destroyers solo, despite Destroyers being well over twice the height of an Emperor titan.

Weight makes every bit of difference when it comes to strength.

Angron = 700 lbs, round about
Warlord Titan = 300 tons maybe? Something like that?

Yup, cannot be done. No way a 700 lbs primarch could lift 880,000 lbs. It is literally impossible. Angron should have been pancake.

It was a Warhound, not a Warlord.

Also 700 pounds seems awfully light for a damn Primarch.

Ok, 2,000 lbs are you saying he can lift a titans foot?

Because he is a Primarch, yes.

Well he DID lift a foot that was trying to crush him (lorgar actually).

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
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Of course he can, he's a bloody primarch. Primarchs aren't creatures of flesh and sinew, they're equally part of the warp and were created from it.