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Can Zahndrekh use Counter Tactics from inside a Ghost Ark

To use Counter Tactics Zahndrekh must choose a unit within LoS. A Ghost Ark is Open-Topped, so all passengers can fire out measuring LoS from any point on the hull. But Counter Tactics is not a shooting attack. Psykers embarked on transports can only manifest witchfire powers, but Counter Tactics is not a psychic power. I can't find anything in the BRB pointing either way. Thoughts?

unfassbarnathan wrote:
Can Zahndrekh use Counter Tactics from inside a Ghost Ark

To use Counter Tactics Zahndrekh must choose a unit within LoS. A Ghost Ark is Open-Topped, so all passengers can fire out measuring LoS from any point on the hull. But Counter Tactics is not a shooting attack. Psykers embarked on transports can only manifest witchfire powers, but Counter Tactics is not a psychic power. I can't find anything in the BRB pointing either way. Thoughts?

Passenger models are not on the table, and therefore you cannot draw line of sight from them except how the rules tell you to.

In the case of shooting or manifesting a witchfire power, the rules give you permission to check LOS using a fire point. The rules do not give you permission to use a fire point to draw line of sight for any other reason.

Therefore, you cannot use a fire point to draw line of sight for anything other than a shooting attack or witchfire power.


Or in short, Zandrekh cannot use Counter-Tactics while aboard a transport, because you are unable to check line of sight.

Or you can use the 6th edition precedent where Anrakyr was not permitted to use a fire point for his Mind in the Machine special rule.

Using an extent FAQ that no longer even exists isn't the best precedent so Yakface has the more compelling rules-argument; though of course you are both correct.

But it's still the same situation. Fire points only specifically allow them to be used for shooting or witchfires. Mind in the Machine is neither, and therefore not explicitly permitted to be used to draw line of sight for a special ability.

Indeed I am not arguing that you are incorrect, just using a rules-ambiguous example when a clearer one exists. Quoting a previous FAQ can speak to what RAI might be given the past precedent and what RAW was in a prior edition of course, however quoting current rules is the more compelling argument.

Perhaps I misspoke in my first post. It's not a precedent, but an explanation of why you would not be able to use Mind in the Machine or any other special rule that requires line of sight while embarked in a vehicle that still holds true in 7th edition.