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Premium plastic is 'restic'. Mantic have referred to it as such for some time now.

 Riquende wrote:
Premium plastic is 'restic'. Mantic have referred to it as such for some time now.

It's still definitely worth pretending we've not heard that many times before and bringing it up again in the most asinine way possible though

There will be massive board gaming nerd rage over those hard plastic werewolves, etc even if Mantic had put the warning across the photo with a "red stamp".

Shadows of Brimstone did the same thing.

Still though, the warning was proactive and hopefully some will actually read it.

I guess I missed the "premium plastic = PVC" from Mantic earlier.

Is it disappointing that Mantic continues to stick to their confusing and somewhat bogus naming conventions!

I'm on the fence with this one.

It's going to take some convincing still!

I'm still going to grab one if it goes retail (given that the price is right!) just because I like the adventurer models. But if they turn out unworkable, well...

And is that a Codex/Felicia Day character?

NTRabbit wrote:

 Riquende wrote:
Premium plastic is 'restic'. Mantic have referred to it as such for some time now.

It's still definitely worth pretending we've not heard that many times before and bringing it up again in the most asinine way possible though

Since, by any reasonable definition of "premium" it's an outrageous untruth, Mantic deserve as much ridicule over it as GW get for Finecast.

I've spent a lot of money with Mantic and will probably continue to do so, so I'm no hater either

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess I missed the "premium plastic = PVC" from Mantic earlier.

Is it disappointing that Mantic continues to stick to their confusing and somewhat bogus naming conventions!

I'm on the fence with this one.

It's going to take some convincing still!

That's funny, because here you asked the same question and were told by several different people, and your reply here indicates that you know perfectly well what it is.

 Baragash wrote:


Since, by any reasonable definition of "premium" it's an outrageous untruth, Mantic deserve as much ridicule over it as GW get for Finecast.

I've spent a lot of money with Mantic and will probably continue to do so, so I'm no hater either

No problem at all making fun of the stupid name choice, I think they should just stick to calling the whole lot PVC (and these minis boardgame PVC) to avoid confusion, but it is a bit silly pretending to not know what the term means just to stir when they clearly do

I won't be pledging, but I think having just one pledge level is a positive for this kickstarter. It makes fulfillment easier, and I think it is a sign of a well thought out campaign.

 Daedleh wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess I missed the "premium plastic = PVC" from Mantic earlier.

Is it disappointing that Mantic continues to stick to their confusing and somewhat bogus naming conventions!

I'm on the fence with this one.

It's going to take some convincing still!

That's funny, because here you asked the same question and were told by several different people, and your reply here indicates that you know perfectly well what it is.

1) Clearly I forgot?

2) Stalker much?

 Riquende wrote:
Premium plastic is 'restic'. Mantic have referred to it as such for some time now.

Well it's new to me. And it's certainly a joke to call it "premium" since most people can't stand it.

PVC - the High Fructose Corn Syrup of mini making materials.

The fact that I couldn't remember/was confused kind of helps make the point that they shouldn't use terms like that at all anymore.

Also, where's the OP, and why aren't they keeping the thread title updated?!?!?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
The fact that I couldn't remember/was confused kind of helps make the point that they shouldn't use terms like that at all anymore.

Also, where's the OP, and why aren't they keeping the thread title updated?!?!?!?

Not to mention 'water carriers' have already been quick to proclaim 'Premium plastic' meant loka/board game plastic opposed to restic when these will not be recasted improved restic but leftover stock from KoW which will be wave 1, intro restic. So not only is the term confusing, but people so quick to upsell mantic's products yet again do them a disservice by confusing people. Sometimes Mantic is better off speaking for themselves opposed to let people put wrong information (and higher expectations) in their mouths.

Just admit it is 'restic' and accept restic means 'buy at your own risk'. If they were refreshing sculpts with new molds/materials, that would be something people would be pretty happy about. 'Premium Plastic' in this usage means 'the worst material and process Mantic can produce'.

Clearly we've updated to Premium scarletsquig, which is like our old well-known scarletsquig, but a bit less detailed. However, we get him fantastically cheaper.

The terminology game IS a bit silly with calling it Premium Plastic, even if they were doing it ironically to take a jab at FineCast (which I don't think they're doing, but would be pretty spot on). I don't hate it as much as some people who've had to deal with it, but I certainly would never rank it above polystyrene as a material. PVC Plastic might be too generic, but there has to be a better term than what they're using. Of course, if they switch to that term, even if it's clear with bright neon signs of the chemical formula, somehow I suspect Alpharius will still not be sure what it is.

Obligatory snark aside, the models on offer look good. The timing and the genre may result in me giving this a miss, but nothing about the offering itself makes me want to go screaming for the hills in terror.

nkelsch wrote:


Not to mention 'water carriers' have already been quick to proclaim 'Premium plastic' meant loka/board game plastic opposed to restic

I didn't see anyone say that.

Edit: Unless you mean on the Kickstarter comments... I don't know, I never bother with them.

 tgmoore wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 tgmoore wrote:
Cincydooly,

The figures are the same plastic as Gears of War and Mars attacks. It is not hard plastic and it isn't the super cheap super flexible stuff either.

Not the ones they're touting as being made in "premium plastic."

Im not much of a fan of those werewolves anyway so I'm not sure I'd even buy that add on.

lol I thought you weren't backing?

I'm not yet. Like I indicated in an earlier post, I could be persuaded to if the project gets good enough. I did, however, forget that one cannot comment until they put their money in.

Additionally, I was unaware that mantic was calling their restic "premium plastic". I honestly thought their phrase "resin" was actually their restic and their on sprue models (because they do have them) were their premium plastic.

I'm struggling to remember when they first started using the term, I think it might have been during the DBX kickstarter?

 Riquende wrote:

nkelsch wrote:


Not to mention 'water carriers' have already been quick to proclaim 'Premium plastic' meant loka/board game plastic opposed to restic

I didn't see anyone say that.

In response to 'Premium Plastic'

The figures are the same plastic as Gears of War and Mars attacks. It is not hard plastic and it isn't the super cheap super flexible stuff either.

Someone then proceeded to call them PVC... And considering we have had multiple different waves of restic, which I guess PVC is a catch all for, I wouldn't say these are deadzone quality, but KoW quality which is different supposedly in technique and material, and was the worst of it being the first wave. So now we are seeing 'premium plastic' being called 3 things, where one of the things is a term for many different things.

Again, more terms trying to confuse what these minis actually are or what to expect. Just say you will get KoW rotting stock which means expect level 1, original restic. I do not think they plan to refactor the molds or casting material or process for improved quality.

I'm certainly not going to defend people in the KS comments section.

nkelsch wrote:


Someone then proceeded to call them PVC... And considering we have had multiple different waves of restic, which I guess PVC is a catch all for, I wouldn't say these are deadzone quality, but KoW quality which is different supposedly in technique and material, and was the worst of it being the first wave. So now we are seeing 'premium plastic' being called 3 things, where one of the things is a term for many different things.

Again, more terms trying to confuse what these minis actually are or what to expect. Just say you will get KoW rotting stock which means expect level 1, original restic. I do not think they plan to refactor the molds or casting material or process for improved quality.

Honestly - I sold almost the entirety of my KoW pledge - but from what I looked at, and what I kept - the material wasn't that bad. I debated keeping a set of the werewolves - and I kept and cleaned/assembled a set of the trolls - they were easier to clear up than my Cygnar/Cryx starter boxes. I don't remember mold lines being excessive either.

But the naming is super annoying - the PVC has been called "plastic" "plastic resin" "restic" and is now (laughably) "premium plastic."
In addition to that - we have the majority of the minis in this new "board game plastic" (a name which denotes nothing to me inre: quality , as I don't play board games)
Some of the exclusive stretch goals are in resin, which I assume is just plain old resin?
And to round it out we have some of the ghouls (and I wouldn't be surprised if we see the skellies/zombies) in good old actual "plastic."

It is a confusing mélange of terms for people who don't spend all day living and breathing on wargaming forums. (And for some who do)

nkelsch wrote:

 Riquende wrote:

nkelsch wrote:


Not to mention 'water carriers' have already been quick to proclaim 'Premium plastic' meant loka/board game plastic opposed to restic

I didn't see anyone say that.

In response to 'Premium Plastic'

The figures are the same plastic as Gears of War and Mars attacks. It is not hard plastic and it isn't the super cheap super flexible stuff either.

That covers the figures that come with the game. The Extra Purchase figs have at least some restic (and some hard plastic).

Schmapdi wrote:
It is a confusing mélange of terms for people who don't spend all day living and breathing on wargaming forums. (And for some who do)

^This, it's probably at the stage where they should have a little graphic with an explanation of the materials at the start of the KS.

The base value for the set is just not there for me, it's not worth 75 quid. There relying on streach goals to get the value in there. That does not sit well with me. Will keep an eye on it but I'm not impressed so far....

 Krinsath wrote:
Clearly we've updated to Premium scarletsquig, which is like our old well-known scarletsquig, but a bit less detailed. However, we get him fantastically cheaper.

I lol'ed at this

On that note, I love scarletsquig's posts- I find him to be a great "neutral" voice in many ways- willing to criticize some Mantic decisions, but not just waiting to pounce on them for anything, either. And someone who actually buys their products and thus knows what he's talking about.

I don't understand all the confusion, it's right on the Kickstarter front page

What material are the miniatures made from?
The miniatures are made in multiple pieces, but provided fully assembled (unless stated otherwise), and made from highly detailed coloured plastic. The material is a type of PVC commonly used in board games such as Fantasy Flight Games’ Gears of War and our very own Loka. This allows us to have a high level of detail whilst keeping the dynamic poses required for such a fast-paced game, and of course making them very affordable as you would expect from Mantic.
Note that this material is not the harder PVC commonly known as “restic”, and is not sprued hard plastic.

Since it's written in broad daylight for anyone to read, I'm going to now assume there will be cries of "bait and switch" with the old adage "Mantic... almost". Can't wait!

privateer4hire wrote:
"...I've wondered how Zombicide has gotten away with it making miniatures of far more recognizable and famous TV and movie characters."

IANAL but probably lots of factors. Zombicide is successful in our world but probably isn't even a blip on folks owning the rights to those characters you mentioned.
The parody shield is great until a deep pockets company decides to call your bluff. Even if they lose you've been dragged into civil court.
Companies like Mantic and garage/barely emerged from a garage recently businesses likely would pull the minis if they got serious legal correspondence.

Miramax sent a C&D (?) on two of the Zombicide exclusives. But, after altering the sculpts, they were allowed to release them (that is, the two parties reached a settlement). In S2, the number of celebrity exclusive survivors noticeably dropped, although S2 backers commented that there were too many survivors. It's not clear to me if the survivors are parody (the likenesses are not exaggerated or satirized), but this doesn't matter, since most of these issues are settled, not brought to court.

overtyrant wrote:
The base value for the set is just not there for me, it's not worth 75 quid. There relying on streach goals to get the value in there. That does not sit well with me. Will keep an eye on it but I'm not impressed so far....

£60, not £75.

And really, only one of us needs to buy it...

 Riquende wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
The base value for the set is just not there for me, it's not worth 75 quid. There relying on streach goals to get the value in there. That does not sit well with me. Will keep an eye on it but I'm not impressed so far....

£60, not £75.

And really, only one of us needs to buy it...

The pound is strong then! And I see you have volunteered lol!

 judgedoug wrote:
I don't understand all the confusion, it's right on the Kickstarter front page

What material are the miniatures made from?
The miniatures are made in multiple pieces, but provided fully assembled (unless stated otherwise), and made from highly detailed coloured plastic. The material is a type of PVC commonly used in board games such as Fantasy Flight Games’ Gears of War and our very own Loka. This allows us to have a high level of detail whilst keeping the dynamic poses required for such a fast-paced game, and of course making them very affordable as you would expect from Mantic.
Note that this material is not the harder PVC commonly known as “restic”, and is not sprued hard plastic.

Since it's written in broad daylight for anyone to read, I'm going to now assume there will be cries of "bait and switch" with the old adage "Mantic... almost". Can't wait!

It was in regards to the "premium plastic" they used to describe the add in pack. I didn't know what "actual" material was is all.

It's plenty clear what the material is in the box. As such, and because it's that material, the value doesn't seem there for many yet.