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overtyrant wrote:

 Riquende wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
The base value for the set is just not there for me, it's not worth 75 quid. There relying on streach goals to get the value in there. That does not sit well with me. Will keep an eye on it but I'm not impressed so far....

£60, not £75.

And really, only one of us needs to buy it...

The pound is strong then! And I see you have volunteered lol!

I'm in on it at the moment (went in blind to snag an EB), but it all depends on what end up in the box, and what I really want is add-ons to be able to get more of the skellie archers for KoW.

 judgedoug wrote:
I don't understand all the confusion, it's right on the Kickstarter front page

What material are the miniatures made from?
The miniatures are made in multiple pieces, but provided fully assembled (unless stated otherwise), and made from highly detailed coloured plastic. The material is a type of PVC commonly used in board games such as Fantasy Flight Games’ Gears of War and our very own Loka. This allows us to have a high level of detail whilst keeping the dynamic poses required for such a fast-paced game, and of course making them very affordable as you would expect from Mantic.
Note that this material is not the harder PVC commonly known as “restic”, and is not sprued hard plastic.

Since it's written in broad daylight for anyone to read, I'm going to now assume there will be cries of "bait and switch" with the old adage "Mantic... almost". Can't wait!

Again, that applies to the main game. At least some of the optional add on figures in this add on:



are restic. And some are hard plastic.

I usually like to get news from these but I'm fresh out of cheese go go with the whine.

Can we get the KS link on the OP for those who don't want to search through the thread?

I'm gonna search through the thread... but some other folks might not want to... just saying.

EDIT:

EFF IT... PUT THE DAMN LINK IN THE DAMN OP (unless it isn't 12:30pm GMT yet... then I'll wait).

 GrimDork wrote:
I usually like to get news from these but I'm fresh out of cheese go go with the whine.

Cool story bro. The cool thing about these forums is that people are allowed to disagree and voice critique.

Okay guys, no more bickering, please! Please post about the topic, the Mantic Dungeon Saga campaign, rather than attacking other posters... if you have an issue with any post, just hit the yellow triangle. Thanks!

And I've put the link in the OP

Is there any mention of rules for playing without a player taking control of the villains? I really hate always getting stuck in that role.

No mention of that I'm afraid, Zatsuku.

What I find interesting though, is that there's mentions in the videos of 2 bad guys - The nasty Necromancer dude and the bound spirit of an Elven Mage. - Hopefully, that means you can have at least a team of 2 baddies together when the kickstarters fleshed out more.


Interestingly, the kickstarter video also talks about the 'Absolute Depravity' pledge level, which I'm assuming is the 'all the things level' - which doesn't exist yet....

The solo play deck wasn't mentioned 'til over halfway through the Deadzone campaign, so here's hoping they decide to do one here too.

A team of two baddies would certainly alleviate the disappointment in being stuck as the villain.

 RiTides wrote:
Okay guys, no more bickering, please! Please post about the topic, the Mantic Dungeon Saga campaign, rather than attacking other posters... if you have an issue with any post, just hit the yellow triangle. Thanks!

And I've put the link in the OP

Thanks for the link... sorry if I was seeming a little bitchy... someone set me off at work today... been a right hag all day.

On 'premium plastic'.

It's called advertising. It's like when sommat costs 24.99 (less than 25). You can't not put a positive spin on things. PVC may be a suitable alternative, although Mantic did want a brand to sell under (like finecast or warcast), and that's why.

EDIT: Sorry mod - that came up whilst typing. Normal services resumed.

 djphranq wrote:
Can we get the KS link on the OP for those who don't want to search through the thread?

I'm gonna search through the thread... but some other folks might not want to... just saying.

EDIT:

EFF IT... PUT THE DAMN LINK IN THE DAMN OP (unless it isn't 12:30pm GMT yet... then I'll wait).

Apologies, IRL stuff happened. Even missed my early bird for once!

 scarletsquig wrote:

Apologies, IRL stuff happened. Even missed my early bird for once!

Don't buy a coffee tomorrow and you'll have made your money back.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 djphranq wrote:
Can we get the KS link on the OP for those who don't want to search through the thread?

I'm gonna search through the thread... but some other folks might not want to... just saying.

EDIT:

EFF IT... PUT THE DAMN LINK IN THE DAMN OP (unless it isn't 12:30pm GMT yet... then I'll wait).

Apologies, IRL stuff happened. Even missed my early bird for once!

No worries! I should actually calm down anyhow... sucks that you missed the early bird... that must have went fast!

Zatsuku wrote:
Is there any mention of rules for playing without a player taking control of the villains? I really hate always getting stuck in that role.

Yep. Coop as a stretch goal. See the game designer's Quirkworthy blog for more DS gameplay discussion!

overtyrant wrote:
The base value for the set is just not there for me, it's not worth 75 quid. There relying on streach goals to get the value in there. That does not sit well with me. Will keep an eye on it but I'm not impressed so far....

Check the pound/dollar conversion rate currently. It's like £59, not £75.

Does anyone have a gameplay description?

Looks interesting as a self contained game, but without an idea about how it plays I'm hesitant to think about jumping.

Well heck. new update with legendary character add on pack as the unlocked reward. 25 for 4 resin heroes. I'd rather it be twenty, so at the moment i am not going to up my pledge.

If however work calls me in on thursday....

I think you get them free with the base pledge.

Edit

Never mind... They corrected. It seems you do have to pay for it.

Nope, it's saying it's an optional add on

$25k gap to buy 4 resin figures certainly isn't a sexy stretch goal. I guess it's better to do it now when people will join regardless rather than later, when the campaign starts to stall.

$6.25 per resin Heroic Character? Sure. I can do that. $30 for the undead add-on? Possibly, will determine at the end of the Kickstarter. My goal is to keep it under $250 after all is said and done. Oh, and how bout the people who have no interest in the game just keep your yaps shut? There have been 8 pages of whining from some of the usual suspects, and the mods are about to get really sick of me hitting the yellow friendship button 400 times in the next ten minutes. You don't like it the premise and have no intention of buying? Surf and leave (if you feel the need to read). But the fake stretch goal nonsense got stupid-I'm glad it was pointed out how they aren't fake at all, they're done this way with good reasoning that was quoted to bring in a much lower initial goal to entice more people to back. Makes more sense than some of the FSGs certain posters claim weren't fake at all during the Z-cide Kickstarter. But hey, we got Mantic Fanbois/Water Carriers, GW White Knights...how bout C'MON sycophants? Great...now let's all shut up and enjoy a new, fun dungeon crawler!!

Wow. Somebody peed in your post-toasties.

Mellow dude, it's going to be a nice day.

decker_cky wrote:
$25k gap to buy 4 resin figures certainly isn't a sexy stretch goal. I guess it's better to do it now when people will join regardless rather than later, when the campaign starts to stall.

At least the price sounds reasonable for resin figures.

 Compel wrote:
No mention of that I'm afraid, Zatsuku.

What I find interesting though, is that there's mentions in the videos of 2 bad guys - The nasty Necromancer dude and the bound spirit of an Elven Mage. - Hopefully, that means you can have at least a team of 2 baddies together when the kickstarters fleshed out more.


Interestingly, the kickstarter video also talks about the 'Absolute Depravity' pledge level, which I'm assuming is the 'all the things level' - which doesn't exist yet....

Incorrect. Jake Thornton (the designer) has discussed solo play deeply on his Blog Quirkworthy. It will be a stretch goal.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Oh, and how bout the people who have no interest in the game just keep your yaps shut?

You should invest some time in actually reading the posts then. I mean, I am assuming you have some time to waste to do that.... Most of us offering critique have said we don't see the value...yet. Yet being the operative word.

There have been 8 pages of whining from some of the usual suspects, and the mods are about to get really sick of me hitting the yellow friendship button 400 times in the next ten minutes.

Again, read them. None of it has been whining. There's well articulated critique.

But the fake stretch goal nonsense got stupid-I'm glad it was pointed out how they aren't fake at all, they're done this way with good reasoning that was quoted to bring in a much lower initial goal to entice more people to back.

Well, no. It isn't nonsense, as many of us have already explained. Want to entice people to back right away and not wait? Put together a package worth backing at the beginning. For a lot of us, it isn't there yet. There's very little incentive to back right now.

Makes more sense than some of the FSGs certain posters claim weren't fake at all during the Z-cide Kickstarter. But hey, we got Mantic Fanbois/Water Carriers, GW White Knights...how bout C'MON sycophants? Great...now let's all shut up and enjoy a new, fun dungeon crawler!!

Please, list me the Zombicide stretch goals that were items that were added to the base box, and will be in said base box when it hits retail.

Then, list me the Zombicide stretch goals that were items added outside of the base box as incentives for backers that will not be in said base box when it hits retail.

I'm not a gambler, but I think one list is going to be much longer than the other......

There's a sizable difference between "stretch goals you don't like" and "disingenuous fake stretch goals."

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Oh, and how bout the people who have no interest in the game just keep your yaps shut?

Everyone I see here commenting has backed Mantic stuff before and we're all interested in tabletop games.

There have been 8 pages of whining from some of the usual suspects

Feel free to use specifics any time.

and the mods are about to get really sick of me hitting the yellow friendship button 400 times in the next ten minutes.

THe problem there is you, no one else.

You don't like it the premise and have no intention of buying? Surf and leave

We *do* like the premise. We don't like Mantics KS shenanigans that are getting more obvious every time, and it seems they still haven't learned that we really don't like it when they use dodgy terms like "premium plastic". That's worth discussing and complaining about - it's resolved issues in the past such as unannounced metal transitions.

But the fake stretch goal nonsense got stupid-I'm glad it was pointed out how they aren't fake at all, they're done this way with good reasoning that was quoted to bring in a much lower initial goal to entice more people to back.

Which means it *is* nonsense. They don't need the funding to fund the items, they're using it as a socialogical device - perhaps mistakenly because it turns a lot of us off.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
I just find it odd that people still complain about fake stretch goals when it's a staple of pretty much every big KS project nowerdays.

Whatever, it is what it is, I'll leave y'all to whine about it.

Like what? Show them to me. Because that's not true at all.

Myths first stretch goal was expansion material. It's second was stuff not included in the box.

None of the Zombicide ones partake in them.

Super Dungeon explore didn't.

I can go on.

Journey
Shadows of Brimstone

I know that by the end it will have good value. It's just that, you know, I'd rather they were a bit more honest. about it. If it's going to cost $150k or $200k to produce, I wish they'd set that as the target and have real stretch goals from that point onward....

It looks like I wasn't clear enough... the next person to make a post only attacking other posters (whether they are in favor, or opposed, to the campaign) will be getting a short vacation from Dakka.

Dakka's rule #2 is Stay On Topic. The topic here is the Dungeon Saga Kickstarter- not your opinion of other posters in this thread.

This is not a drill... Thanks