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 Azazelx wrote:
First stretch goal is a whole three miniatures.

22 minis is very unimpressive for nearly double the price of Descent which comes with 50.

 Azazelx wrote:
And now with the EBs gone in 5 minutes there's little point for too many people more to jump on board day 1, since what you get as listed so far is solidly unimpressive, especially for tha sking price.

Roll on the typical Mantic fake stretch goals to get it to the base value you pledge for, and see where we go from there.

Yeah I'm starting to wonder if it'd be better for them to front load the stuff a bit more, and not have any stretch goes for the first $200k or so, as even at $5 off, there's really no incentive to pledge for this before the last hour, beyond the generation of stretch goals.

 Azazelx wrote:
And now with the EBs gone in 5 minutes there's little point for too many people more to jump on board day 1, since what you get as listed so far is solidly unimpressive, especially for tha sking price.

Roll on the typical Mantic fake stretch goals to get it to the base value you pledge for, and see where we go from there.


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 cincydooley wrote:
Interesting that they are board game plastic and not miniatures typical plastic.

Not really. They've been pretty upfront about that sort of thing. They're going for boardgame-with-miniatures like MA rather than miniatures boardgame a la DZ.

Agreed on both counts here. No real reason for others to jump in after the EBs are gone until the value is there... and at least they're being more honest about making board game quality pieces (not wargaming miniatures for use in a board game) now...

Because apparently board game value is entirely dependent on miniature count...

Besides, like Azazelx said, their fake SGs will bump up the mini count, replace the terrain counters with plastic and add in more scenarios and adventures.

No need for doomsaying yet.

I thought it was starting later today. Blah. Missed an early bird, but since its only a $5 difference, I don't care too much. Popped on a for a regular, and I can get updates. While it doesn't have fantastic value yet, we've all seen how much Mantic throws into their KSs by the end. Claiming disappointment for volume is premature.

Not so much disappointment in volume as disappointment in obviously gaming kickstarter/backers. Which was expected ofc but still...

Is there anybody for whom the art print is any sort of incentive? It's like those post cards and poster from Deadzone which I quickly put at the bottom of the box without even unwrapping them (If they were shrink-wrapped - I can't really remember).

As for the DS kickstarter - right now I don't see myself backing it. I hope Jake'll publish some Alpha or Beta rules so I can see whether this would be a sensible investment in addition to (or to replace)Descent which I'm playing about three times a year...

Oh, and the first stretch goal is up... 3 identical Basilean zombies... eh, well. They'll have to pick up the pace.

 Alex C wrote:
Because apparently board game value is entirely dependent on miniature count...

Besides, like Azazelx said, their fake SGs will bump up the mini count, replace the terrain counters with plastic and add in more scenarios and adventures.

No need for doomsaying yet.

It's not, but I can't be bothered tracking a bunch of fake goals... Will check in later on in the campaign and see if folks here think the value is there or not.

Why not pledge earlier? Because people forget to check back in, or feel committed to stay once they've pledged. If they're gaming the system, they can't expect backers not to, too...

As others have said it's pretty pricey as it currently stands until the stretch goal additions get factored in. I'd be more interested to see gameplay videos however.

They're already adding the value in the 2nd update. I know its still a "fake" stretch goal, but we're half an hour in and already adding minis and tiles.

I'm curious to see what their tiles look like. Their card from their previous games is garbage, so here's hoping the stuff here Is made of some thicker stuff.

In some of the interviews they have talked about much thicker quality tiles, similar in print quality to the limited release Space Hulk or Descent.

 Alex C wrote:
Because apparently board game value is entirely dependent on miniature count...

Besides, like Azazelx said, their fake SGs will bump up the mini count, replace the terrain counters with plastic and add in more scenarios and adventures.

No need for doomsaying yet.

Well, I'm buying a product and generally you pay for the material costs (plus other intrinsic costs) in a product. If you're not giving me a $100 value, don't put a $100 price tag on it.

I'm not doomsaying, I'm looking for value and not seeing it but like you say, by the time they're done it'll probably be up there. I'll put this one on reminder and check it 48 hours before it closes.

Hey look! It's the undead dwarf king that they were talking about. You know, the one that the bloody game is named after. As a stretch goal. /eyeroll

Exactly!

$50K to roll through the next two Fake Stretch Goals is pretty funny too...

"There's not enough minis in this game!"

*Mantic adds minis*

"Pffft, fake stretch goals! Utter BS!"

/eyeroll

 Alex C wrote:
"There's not enough minis in this game!"

*Mantic adds minis*

"Pffft, fake stretch goals! Utter BS!"

/eyeroll

Um, no. Not when the retail is significantly higher than a number of products that include quite a bit more "game".

It's incredibly disingenuous to mark things as stretch goals that were intended to be in the game in the first place.

I just find it odd that people still complain about fake stretch goals when it's a staple of pretty much every big KS project nowerdays.

Whatever, it is what it is, I'll leave y'all to whine about it.

$95 for this game? there are literally a 100 or more games based like this for much lower cost or much more "wood" (meaning more substance, minis, extras, ect.)

I thought Kick started was a way to raise money for a company, offering items at discount and still make money by cutting out distributors which seems far from the case here.

Ah well, have fun with whoever purchases it!

Yes, because Mantic will add absolutely nothing of value to this in the next month...

Jeez...

 Alex C wrote:
I just find it odd that people still complain about fake stretch goals when it's a staple of pretty much every big KS project nowerdays.

Whatever, it is what it is, I'll leave y'all to whine about it.

Like what? Show them to me. Because that's not true at all.

Myths first stretch goal was expansion material. It's second was stuff not included in the box.

None of the Zombicide ones partake in them.

Super Dungeon explore didn't.

I can go on.

So even though "Everyone does it!", we should all just be OK with it?

Sounds a lot like "Most Kickstarters are really late - suck it up!"

Mantic can 'break the mold' and maybe NOT do the whole Fake Stretch Goal thing - that would be nice to talk about.

And the fact that one of the Fake Stretch Goals is the freakin' Undead Dwarf King that the game is named after?

You don't think that's a bit obvious/ridiculous?

OK!

 Alex C wrote:
Yes, because Mantic will add absolutely nothing of value to this in the next month...

Jeez...

Why should anyone pledge on what appears to be a vastly overpriced package right now though?

For $95 with all the competition out there, and not having to go through a distributor, it should have all the "added value" included.

Not my cup of tea, not for the price, for the marketing strategy, and for what you get out of it appose to what you can get else where.

But thats just my opinion, again have fun whoever gets it. Im sure many will find the value in this and enjoy it. I mean its already raised a bunch.

I'll be keeping an eye on it, but for now there's no interest for me.

Ok I'm wrong.

But you don't think Zombicide had fake SG? Tens of thousands of dollars to get the Zombivor for a character when other characters got the Zombivor with it? Tens of thousands of dollars to get the second half of a card deck?

Mantic has certainly done it before, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Anyway I'm bailing on this thread. It's depressing.

Never change dakka, never change

I'm in but I missed the early birds :(

 Alex C wrote:
Ok I'm wrong.

But you don't think Zombicide had fake SG? Tens of thousands of dollars to get the Zombivor for a character when other characters got the Zombivor with it? Tens of thousands of dollars to get the second half of a card deck?

Mantic has certainly done it before, it shouldn't surprise anyone.

Anyway I'm bailing on this thread. It's depressing.

Those aren't fake at all, because none of them were ever intended to be included in the boxed game.

Additionally, for every new survivor + zombivor, you're looking at close to $20k in costs to produce it.

Also, anyone find it odd the game has gridded tiles but comes with a range ruler?