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Needs a fireplace, rack, altar, cupboard, alchemist's desk and a weapons rack too >_>

The original Heroquest ones really are quite adorable!

 judgedoug wrote:
Everyone's acting like they have to spend $15 to get the scenery pack, but as far as I can tell the $100 pledge now comes with it, correct? So it's more stuff included in the $100 pledge... so why the complaints?

Because it isn't very good? And people were expecting lots of free terrain anyway. This is somewhat underwealming. It is not 'hey what a great extra', but rather 'this is what I was waiting for?'. Not bad enough to start a load of dropped pledges, but I can't see it driving forward much.

Hell with the exception of the chests (I use Impact miniatures chests and water coolers anyway below), the heroquest stuff looks better.

@The_Real_chris - Can you please point out where it is possible to buy dungeon terrain that is of comparable pricing and quality? That's a genuine question, most of the stuff I have seen may be a bit more detailed but is a lot more expensive.

With someone like Ainsty Castings for instances you would be probably paying $4-5 for each of those (albeit in resin).

I would have to go and do a load of interweb searching... Most of my stuff has come packaged with miniatures, a lot from wargames foundry in metal blister packs from shows (got some great generic bar and dwarf stuff), quite a bit from ebay, a load of old citadel stuff I bought a couple of decades ago, and I tend to be shopping for stuff to use with blood bowl sidelines. I was int he Reaper kickstarter for a while to get a load of furniture, dungeon denizens and civies and a few others, but ultimately pulled out a couple of months after it ends because I couldn't justify the addition tot he unpainted horde...

Considering i have been able to get whatever I wanted fairly cheaply up till now I didn't imagine there is a dearth of the stuff cheaply, though looking with a quick search now I am surprised at the scarcity. (Looking at the armourcast site for example http://www.armorcast.com/fantasy/dungeon-decor ).

Back bit more on topic I would expect the same sort of 'value' I see for the Reaper bones dungeon furniture in their kickstarter, which seemed to offer more $ for $.

Incidentally when I am after stuff I typically post a question on the miniatures page forum as the chaps there are quite helpful and knowledgeable.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Hell with the exception of the chests (I use Impact miniatures chests and water coolers anyway below), the heroquest stuff looks better.

Uhh, Heroquest 89? You are telling everyone with a straight face that you prefer the flat cardboard rectangle bookcase to one with shelves and books modeled on it?
Okay, I have like 3 or 4 sets of Heroquest, perhaps you'd like to trade one-for-one my HQ Furniture for your Dungeon Saga furniture?

I will cheerfully swap my stuff with you for the 1 to 1 $ value of my heroquest stuff (Well I would if I didn't already have loads, but you get the sentiment.) Bear in mind the heroquest stuff is incredibly cheap...

I think the whole package of bones furniture would be around $20? I will try and put together the graphic and cost.

Bones 1 - Dungeon Dressing - in the initial pledge or $8 for an extra set.


Bones 2 - Dungeon Decor - in initial pledge or $6 for an extra set


Bones 2 - Dungeon Decor 2 - $10 for an extra set


(They incidentally did some vermin, great civvies and henchmen for your heroes in the first bones - hope we get henchmen in this!)

Ok, bit more but an interesting comparison, at least for me.


You then of course have the more expensive resins as other have pointed out, like the below I got for £15

I'd swap 1 for 1 for each item, chest for chest, bookcase for bookcase

Ooh, interesting comparison on the Bones stuff, but that material is far cheaper to produce right?

I generally agree with Chris. Between the Reaper Bones, Dwarven Forge and Itar's Workshop kickstarters, I've got comparable or better furniture items with much more variation and use. I don't think the value works in favor of DS. For example, the DS stuff is a hodgepodge. You don't have a room set. You don't have a table set. You have a table. You don't have any chairs. There's no bedroom furniture. You get 1 barrel, so you don't exactly have a beer cellar. My point is, even if you like the DS stuff, you need to part out some extras to fill in the blanks. As Chris said, it's nice-ish, but it's not the "now I must buy DS" item.

DS has value, but for those who have HQ/WhQ/Descent and enough critters/furniture from other miniatures companies, DS is not a must-have. I'm still inclined to wait for retail, though I suppose there's still time to blow everyone away.

 Fugazi wrote:
DS has value, but for those who have HQ/WhQ/Descent and enough critters/furniture from other miniatures companies, DS is not a must-have.

Yep. Here's what $15 got you from the Mythical Lairs KS. Each set, unpainted, went for $15.



Of course, you can't go back in time for these KS, and I haven't seen any dungeon dressing KS lately. Battle Systems (sp?) has plasticard dungoen furniture in its upcoming KS. The DS DM set still isn't a bad deal for anyone who doesn't already have furniture. Not as deluxe as HQ25, but half the price for the "sweet spot", none of the IP issues, an experienced game designer, rules preview, and a game company that has put out previous miniatures boardgames.

ced1106 wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:
DS has value, but for those who have HQ/WhQ/Descent and enough critters/furniture from other miniatures companies, DS is not a must-have.

Yep. Here's what $15 got you from the Mythical Lairs KS. Each set, unpainted, went for $15.

Yeah, don't remind me. At the time I was more interested in the Dwarven Forge than the Hirst Arts-based stuff. I wrote off the Mythical Lairs KS. I figured I had enough from DF and Itar. Somehow I just didn't see the accessories add ons until after ML ended. Bummer, because that was a sweet deal.

Wow, I never knew about them...

$415k = More Orcs (greataxes and bows) in expansion and in base pledge.

Sorry gents, but I must be seeing something different here.

The Mythical Lairs item quality in those images looks terrible. I would genuinely stick with my HQ furniture over that. The Bones add ons are an eclectic mix at best and come out at around the same value as the DS stuff (assuming you are adding on extra and not getting the free set already in the DM pledge level). The resin set from the Clan Mcfiggin KS is very nice, but more expensive - $25 at current exchange rate (so you get what you pay for).

Plus, they have said the image shows a concept not final contents - I can't believe mantic would supply one barrel after the load they included in the deadzone terrain.

I just can't see the problem with more dungeon furniture. Edit - doesn't mean there couldn't be more variation to the furniture however. I also see the point that veterans don't see value in things they already have.

The same thing happened with the Mars Attacks urban accessories. Mantic shows a temporary image of some WIP terrain painted up, showing just 4 pieces (only 2 unique) but the actual set comes with a hell of a lot more:

 02Laney wrote:
Sorry gents, but I must be seeing something different here. .

You are. Those paint jobs are terrible and the sets come unpainted for $15. You can do a better paint job yourself. HQ is fine -- and I still don't have a hobby miniatures to replace my HQ alchemist bench -- but the cardboard sticks out. It *is* "prepainted", so good for tabletop. I*m *very* glad I have the WizKids Artifacts sets, particularly the Traps set. And they look even better with a wash. Why they're not re-issuing them with the D&D miniatures is beyond me.

I have some resin pieces from Itar's Workshop, and they look great. Not display-level pieces, but I got 50+ wood pieces primed, spray painted, and washed pretty quickly. You can see the gaps in the photo, but I'm going to play with 'em further than five inches away. Should have spray painted pieces in different wood colors, but, oh well.



As for cheap dungeon furniture, you can find some, including prepainted, digging around the internet. Search on "ebay dungeon hirst arts" for various precasted terrain. Don't search on just "ebay dungeon furniture" unless you're "into" that sort of thing...

And another dungeon KS - https://www.facebook.com/zealotminiatures?ref=ts&fref=ts

 02Laney wrote:
Sorry gents, but I must be seeing something different here.

The Mythical Lairs item quality in those images looks terrible. I would genuinely stick with my HQ furniture over that. The Bones add ons are an eclectic mix at best and come out at around the same value as the DS stuff (assuming you are adding on extra and not getting the free set already in the DM pledge level). The resin set from the Clan Mcfiggin KS is very nice, but more expensive - $25 at current exchange rate (so you get what you pay for).

The mythical lairs stuff is painted at a very basic level. The DS stuff is painted well. You should be able to tell that.

Plus, they have said the image shows a concept not final contents - I can't believe mantic would supply one barrel after the load they included in the deadzone terrain.
I just can't see the problem with more dungeon furniture. Edit - doesn't mean there couldn't be more variation to the furniture however. I also see the point that veterans don't see value in things they already have.

They backpedalled a bit on that first image that showed 8 pieces and added a second barrel to the picture. I can't see adding money for an additional set until a pledge manager at best, though - once the final product has been worked out a lot more from it's current vague list - with a hell of a lot more pieces...


Doug - The stuff Mantic is using here is Boardgame plastic - Bones is essentially the same stuff (only white). I doubt there's a really significant price difference to produce. People comparing this stuff to Resins are being a bit silly in regard to the materials.

As for why it's underwheming - The_Real_Chris and Fugazi said it well - it's both "this is what I was waiting for?" combined with "not even a proper single room set".


As for other options, there's the Hirst-based stuff above, buying your own moulds, and some people might want to have a look at these as well, if you like resin:
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=227_41

Mantic should be glad their KS will be over by time Zealot's KS hits in regards to Dungeon add-ons so I doubt you will see any impact. But in regards to dungeon-doo-dads, most people can always use another set so multiple product lines are not mutually exclusive the way terrain sets often are. A DM would probably buy both the bones and mantic sets for variety because of the nature of 'doo-dads' you can mix lines way better than 3D terrain or hero/monsters with different aesthetics.

All dressings will go equally well with my battle systems fantasy terrain... when that happens.

So we get 2 more models or what 4 or 5 more with the expansion? Neat. I'll take em.

With Chris confirming the lack of warpath kickstarter this year and the fantasy skirmish at least a year or two off... makes me feel a little better staying in on this one.

I have to admit... the Star Wars game is making me eye this one very suspiciously at this stage.

I had the exact same though Aza hahaha. I'm definitely open to getting both - this will need to be better than it is to keep the monies though. What will really sell it for me will be in depth integration into the Mantica setting, usability with all the KoW armies and so on. I'll need to watch the gameplay before I confirm it too ofc... pretty slack in that regard. The solo/co-op decks already help a lot - I don't think SW has that, so that alone might keep me in here.

It's gone from this


to this


Tripling the chests up to 6 is much more like it, but yeah could probably use another couple barrels, and I still think it needs one or two more other large things like in the HQ originals.

Yep lookin' much better. Stretch goals adding more freebies to it would be good.

Yeah like a $5k or $10k "Armoury stretch goal" which adds weapon racks, an open top barrel with swords sticking out, an anvil or sharpening wheel, etc, or an "Alchemists" goal which adds an alchemist's desk , some shelves with potions on them, a cauldron, etc

@Azaraelx - I can of course tell the difference in paint quality - so I need to see a properly presented set of mythical lairs sets and I may change my opinion. Otherwise those sets are, for the most part, filled out with extra bits more suitable for a dolls house.

From my point of view the value is there - but I know others disagree which is fair enough.

Feth me, look how the market has grown since back in the day with the HeroQuest...


I'm literally peeing myself with excitement here.

Excellent adventure indeed.....

I like the short stretches for an alchemists, armoury or smith (anvil and forge) goal.

 02Laney wrote:
@Azaraelx - I can of course tell the difference in paint quality - so I need to see a properly presented set of mythical lairs sets and I may change my opinion. Otherwise those sets are, for the most part, filled out with extra bits more suitable for a dolls house.

From my point of view the value is there - but I know others disagree which is fair enough.

Well, you were calling them terrible quality, and they clearly are not. The paint may be terrible, but the quality? Take another look at any one of those sets and tell me they look like they're "terrible quality" castings. The first one isn't hampered by especially bad paint, and isn't "filled out" with "dolls house" details, either.




This one has far more value in it than Mantic's first attempt in terms of dungeon furniture, even completely discounting the "dollhouse" items.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/654/244/c01bc67561ae05679e8784a9002a516c_large.jpg?1370616875

Look at the cute little chairs! The fireplace is kind of cool though.

Good to see Mantic upped the item count in the Mars Attack KS, hopefully this one will follow suit.

14 days to go with this one, wonder if it will go through the half million mark?