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Can I just make a comment about this conversation: what a great time for the tabletop wargaming market when we can afford to be picky about dungeon furniture.
The irony is if we were having this conversation 25 years ago there was again a massive range of cheap lead and resin furniture from Citadel and co The change in material prices and 'focusing' of ranges led to the point where all this is very novel again. 'Course the quality is higher now (I love the old moondragon stuff, and there is nothing like t today, but it doesn't look 'realistic').
Automatically Appended Next Post: My suggestion on the comments for 'stuff you would like to see'.
"Mantic you need to stand out from the crowd.
Essential
Number 1 - and I don't know if it is met yet - you need a roleplay system. Something 'quest, advanced heroquest and co did very well. As well as the set piece dungeons which should scale to party power level, there should be a way of generating random quests, low power level of rewards and advancement but more puzzling than threat of death, done in an evening (or a massive number of scenarios online...). So if the party isn't questing after the overlord they can go kick in the door of a Goblin burrow for a couple of hours gaming in the evening. Low rewards, low threat, throw away evening game.
Then the nice to have stuff
2 - Henchmen. Porters, men at arms, hangers on, brave sir Robins minstrels or other party rations. Colour for the party with limited in game impact, but great character.
3 - Dungeons that come alive. Themed rooms of furniture (do deals with other companies), ideas for 3d dungeons, monstrous creature lairs, dungeons with cells, 3d traps. Really make the game pop so if someone sees it they don't think card mat but engaging spectacle.
4 - 'Good' kingdoms. Hitting Orcs and undead is old news. Who wouldn't want to go into an Elf lair, kick them in the shins and steal their jewels? Or spring prisoners from a human kingdom prison?
NTRabbit wrote: Yeah like a $5k or $10k "Armoury stretch goal" which adds weapon racks, an open top barrel with swords sticking out, an anvil or sharpening wheel, etc, or an "Alchemists" goal which adds an alchemist's desk , some shelves with potions on them, a cauldron, etc
That would be awesome, as would a 'secret passages' stretch goal with a few different potential secret passage spots (fireplace, another book shelf, tomb).
I also think Mantic really needs to do some low level basic gribblies to mix things up. Spiders and things like that, which may not actually be part of a KoW army, but which inhabit the dungeons.
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@Chris - you are spot on here, they do need to stand out and they may not be yet - but they can in the end.
@ Azazelx - Like I said, if I saw a better set of pictures I may change my mind, however I'm still not seeing how they are markedly better deal. The bar and big barrel only have one use, leaving you with the tables and the fireplace (the chairs just look funny to me, sorry). Either way, for me, it is close call value wise. I do think mantic can do more and probably will!
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The second set had exotic statues and water. CLEAR plastic over blue! Screw you, 24 hour water effects cure time!
The traps are even better (except for the flames!) :
I can't find a *bleeping* address to WizKids to suggest re-introducing the traps and artifacts sets to their new D&D figures line! While most of us can paint better than the prepainted figures, most of these WizKids terrain pieces look great on the table. Picking up a pack (or two!) at the FLGS or OLGS is certainly easier and less expensive than hunting down miniature sellers and paying shipping fees for their unpainted hobby miniature counterparts. AFAIK, suggestions@wizkids.com only gets their web services.
EDIT: It gets a "Relay access denied" error.
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Hm, that gives me a thought. They already sell sprues of Renedra barrels within the KoW Ogre Army for that exploding cart thing. They could offer them as an add-on here pretty easily.
Ah, Mage Knight Dungeons... got a lot of stuff for that game, it was pretty great as far as dungeon crawlers go. The game was much better than regular mage knight and had little treasure chests with dials on the inside to randomize the contents.
Shame it got dumped pretty quickly by wizkids, just another clix game thrown aside... stupid CCG-style business model.
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I own just about all things Mage Knight Dungeons. I picked it all up on the cheap after 2.0 crashed and burned and people were selling off their collections.
It really was a cool game, and I don't understand why they haven't tried bringing back the concept with any of the Clix stuff.
A shame.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
GrimDork wrote: Hmm, suggest it in the comments? Certainly sounds like a good idea.
If they can get the volume of barrels needed for fulfillment, isn't one of the main catches with Renedra that they're usually super booked up?
It's one of the excuses commonly given, though I've heard that it's bollocks and that Renedra are simply expensive. Though they are also quality. Anyway, running a couple thousand sprues of their existing barrels if need be shouldn't be a problem, given a year's lead time and no actual work to do besides inject the moulds with brown plastic...
Hey, I'm with you. If they can be convinced to do it, then I'm all for barrel add-ons. Barrels will probably be the weakest link in the BS fantasy terrain chain.
Oh, it'll be after the Lizardman hero. That way they can lead their post with a portrait shot of it, and the tagline- Do a Barrel Roll!
Because that is how Mantic rolls.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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I'm neither here nor their on the dungeon furnishings. What I'm excited about is the possibility of finally being able to build a unit of two of sniffs for my Orcs.
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And with the latest update, they finally get to the point where the $100 pledge starts to look reasonable to me, and the $25 expack is almost complete. (can't repost it right now - on a tablet)
The expansion minis are nice, but without buying the expansion as well, they're not of much use for anything other than self-built dungeons.. I'm still unsure about this one and might just get it next year when cash isn't so tight... or I might sell off some wave 2 deadzone and Mars Attacks extras to pay for it.
Looks like they're going for $250k to fund each expansion with a few extras and new heroes thrown in along the way.
Could work out quite nicely if we get another 2 expansions funded and hit $1m. The pledge total is ticking away nicely, no sub-$10k days so far and it looks like a slow increase to $600k and then another $200-$300k in the final surge is quite likely. The backer count is the main thing a KS needs and its very good with this one, only need another 1000 before its on track to beat Deadzone for backer count.
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Azazelx wrote: And with the latest update, they finally get to the point where the $100 pledge starts to look reasonable to me, and the $25 expack is almost complete. (can't repost it right now - on a tablet)
Yeah, the additional figs just made me want the add-on, _especially_ if the card tiles are nice.
Even if the whole game blows, I'll still have a giant pile of card tiles and dungeon monsters to play Tunnels & Trolls with.
Yup. Tunnels & Trolls.
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scarletsquig wrote: The expansion minis are nice, but without buying the expansion as well, they're not of much use for anything other than self-built dungeons.. I'm still unsure about this one and might just get it next year when cash isn't so tight... or I might sell off some wave 2 deadzone and Mars Attacks extras to pay for it.
Looks like they're going for $250k to fund each expansion with a few extras and new heroes thrown in along the way.
Could work out quite nicely if we get another 2 expansions funded and hit $1m. The pledge total is ticking away nicely, no sub-$10k days so far and it looks like a slow increase to $600k and then another $200-$300k in the final surge is quite likely. The backer count is the main thing a KS needs and its very good with this one, only need another 1000 before its on track to beat Deadzone for backer count.
I noticed that too. Good days and less good, but fairly consistent through the campaign (I think this is because even though there's been 'fake' stretches, almost every stretch has added something to the core game).
I think that this should definitely get a boost if Mantic opens up packs of 10 minis for $15 or so (also same deal for 3 monstrous infantry). That would get in people wanting skeleton archers, orc sniffs, etc..
although Im currently pledged, im just not certain about the figures. having seen some images of the mars attack stuff they are not great fine for board game pieces but Im predominatly a modeler and im just not certain I will be happy with these.
having just seen some of the models from the mars attacks box, I'm not to sure about the quality of these models now.
I am going to keep an eye on it, as I have an early bird, but I really wanted something to replace warhammer quest, but not at descent levels of quality.
Yes some shocking moddling decisions on some of the models - that Martian arm is oft voted.
On a different note why has Reaper never done a bones dungeon crawler KS? They have a big range of heroes and villains, generic dungeon beasties, scenary, Orcoid denizens and undead in habitants, big bad end monsters, even the stuff for a series of fishy caverns. Slap a good set of rules on and some card terrain that could even become bonesium by the end and how could it not be a winner?
And tactics wise, if they had put the target at $500,000 with all the stretch goals included up to that total - better or worse in terms of impact? bigger buzz right off the bat? Wouldn't make the KS front page so easily but I don't think I have ever gone there 'cept by accident.
The irony is if we were having this conversation 25 years ago there was again a massive range of cheap lead and resin furniture from Citadel and co 
, some shelves with potions on them, a cauldron, etc
