Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - Completed! $1,057,975 total, 5,963 backers

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**Da Boss**

As far as I can tell the art printed on the tiles only matters for lava like you said, so any 4x4 tile can stand in for any other one.

I will be grouping all my tiles together.

The cards are a little trickier. My instinct is to keep them separate for my playthrough of all the core missions, and then to make a basic index and group them together for "Adventurer's Companion" games where everything is in the mix.

I'm not sure if it will really make a difference (aside from Overlord cards, which need to be kept separate). I know that for example Infernal Crypts has it's own random dungeon cards and so on. But if you're playing the campaign rules I see no issue with having all the locations together and all the magic items together.

**GrimDork**

I think the original campaign just assigns cards and doesn't have random treasure so much, just hard coded potions and purposeful upgrades. I think I can safely mix them for the most part. Got my stuff organized into a plastic organizer and baggies, with black fortress the tiles basically fill up one book box.

**judgedoug**

skrulnik wrote:
I like the Book boxes. I'd like to get 2 but I'll make do with just one, simply because of my own finances right now.

I don't think $20 is too bad for a custom purpose box with unique design and cover. I've never seen similar from any other company, and I highly doubt it would be any cheaper from others.
I don't think shipping that much air helps. Large shipping box with very little weight can be pricey. You have to pick a shipping method that reduces the risk of crushing, or use a really sturdy shipping carton.

Your best bet is to sell your expansions on ebay right now, as they are going for approximately $60.

Then use the money to re-buy the expansion for MSRP $39.99 when they get released to retail. The retail boxes COME IN THE BOOK BOXES. So you can be a sucker right now and pay $20 for a book box ON TOP OF the $25 you already spent on the pledge... and wind up paying MORE than retail; _OR_ sell your expansions now and make money in the end after buying the retail releases.

The $20 pricetag from Mantic for those book boxes is fething ridiculous.

**Bioptic**

The game's designer is soliciting technical feedback (I.e. rules being inconsistent or missing) on the Dungeon Saga Adventurer's Companion prior to the reprint, over on his blog. Deadline for submissions is 23rd - if you've noticed something that's still wrong even in the PDF, it's time to be a hero!

http://quirkworthy.com/2015/12/21/ds-reprints/

**455_PWR**

$20 for a book box isn't bad. They have to print it, make it sturdy, put magnets in it, etc. For the quality of the box and price to make it and sell it, it's a decent deal.

If you just want a cheap box to store minis in, I have plenty of empty cardboard boxes in my basement!! However they will not lok so nice sitting on your shelf.

**GrimDork**

Yeah that's the thing with the book boxen. The cardboard doesn't cost much sure, but it has to be assembled and made sturdy. Plus the covering on the outside isn't free. Plus three sizable (presumably neo) magnets per box and whatever they hold onto on the other side. And putting them together with those. I would not expect them to be much cheaper on the shelf, especially not from a company who doesn't specialize in making such things.

I mean they're prohibitively expensive in that I no longer entertain the idea of getting another one, however I don't think the price is as outlandish as all that. Is shipping included within the $20 or is there a lot of that on top of the price tag?

**judgedoug**

I literally cannot understand how anyone is defending the $20 price tag.

Expansion cost: $25. Book box: $20. Total cost: $45.

Retail expansion cost, includes book box: $39.99

If you are all very satisfied with paying more than retail for your purchases, please let me be your vendor of choice for any purchases in life, ever. I will happily sell you anything in the world that you need for 15% above MSRP.

**GrimDork**

Aren't you missing how sets/boxes/combis/etc are typically reduced in price? As in all of the big mantic army deals with a progressively stacking discount?

Usually if you can buy parts of something piecemeal it costs more for the same stuff than if you bought the set. Unless you're buying the junky part nobody wants, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

**Theophony**

Well I'm at miniaturemarket.com (their physical store) and they have 2 copies of the base game on the shelf for 1/2 price (39.50). They are still in good shape, just the cover that goes over the book box is dinged. I'm torn as it doesn't have all the Kickstarter stuff with it, but still.... Must remember that I don't want more .

**Theophony**

Well I held off buying the two sets...for 24 hours. So I got them earlier today and they will get primed for use further down the road in KOW. Between these three sets and my zombicide Black Plague I figure I have an easy 1500 points of zombie horde. Plus plenty of terrain goodies for making my zombicide board 3D.

Are there king of war rules out there anywhere for the zombie troll shamans?

**Baragash**

Theophony wrote:
Are there king of war rules out there anywhere for the zombie troll shamans?

They've been written, I'm not sure on the publication date as they'll be released as a PDF download. 7 DS characters are in the Destiny of Kings and 3 are coming as PDF.

**skrulnik**

The basic 4 Dungeon Saga characters (Elf, Dwarf, Barbarian, Wizard), Mortibris the Necromancer, Ba'el, and Valandor get rules in Destiny of Kings.

There is also Dungeon Saga dashboards for the Destiny of Kings campaign adventure for a Vampire, Wraith, and an Abyssal Champion.
The mission is kinda neat. It's these 3 characters and Mortibris as the Adventurers vs Rhordin the Dwarf as Overlord.

**pancakeonions**

The zombie trolls are in the current edition of KoW that's available for retail. The first print run of KoW 2.0 has already sold out.

**Nostromodamus**

pancakeonions wrote:
The zombie trolls are in the current edition of KoW that's available for retail. The first print run of KoW 2.0 has already sold out.

Not Zombie Troll Shamans though, which is what he was talking about.

**judgedoug**

GrimDork wrote:
Aren't you missing how sets/boxes/combis/etc are typically reduced in price? As in all of the big mantic army deals with a progressively stacking discount?

Usually if you can buy parts of something piecemeal it costs more for the same stuff than if you bought the set. Unless you're buying the junky part nobody wants, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

That is certainly an acceptable practice, but that's not even what we're seeing here. The Kickstarter backers are paying more than MSRP for the equivalent item. _More than MSRP._

**pancakeonions**

judgedoug wrote:
GrimDork wrote:
Aren't you missing how sets/boxes/combis/etc are typically reduced in price? As in all of the big mantic army deals with a progressively stacking discount?

Usually if you can buy parts of something piecemeal it costs more for the same stuff than if you bought the set. Unless you're buying the junky part nobody wants, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

That is certainly an acceptable practice, but that's not even what we're seeing here. The Kickstarter backers are paying more than MSRP for the equivalent item. _More than MSRP._

Where are you getting that information? I bought the infernal crypts as a KS backer for $25. MSRP is about double that, $49.99. Or are you including the silly $20 box in the equation? The latter just seems like a poorly put together afterthought on Mantic's part; but getting my Infernal Crypts for 50% MSRP seems a pretty good deal to me!

**GrimDork**

I think the counter point would be that you didn't get a book box with your infernal crypts for your half off, but I agree that I got it cheaper and don't need a book box and am happy with what I got/paid. Won't buy any book boxes for $20 but the price doesn't seem ludicrous.

**Azazelx**

Were they giving away extra book boxes for people? As in, if you bought all of the expansions or some such? I can't quite remember, but this conversation is giving me a "wait a minute..." moment...

**Da Boss**

Yeah if you bought all the expansions you got 1 extra book box. But it's not big enough to fit all the expansion materials in there, so it's not too useful. I'm going to give the extra book box a miss and just story the minis separately. All the cards, tiles, counters and books fit comfortably in the boxes.

**BrizzleRob**

Special Customer Service Update from Mantic Games

The hiring of Zak (and Matt G) promises to be a good move for Mantic. A useful update for backers without hyperbole, smarmy remarks or blaming backers. The chimps who remain in Mantic employment should take note.

You are receiving this email because you signed up to the Dungeon Saga or Kings of War Kickstarter. We are sending you this special email in place of a standard update to inform you regarding the status of our customer service.

If you have sent us a message or missing items please read carefully.

Thanks for getting in touch - we will resolve your query!

If you have submitted a missing items form or sent us a message, we have received your response and are working around the clock to get your issue resolved.

We will sort you out. Our customers are our number one priority and we will ensure that we do everything we can to help you - Zak, Customer Experience Manager.
Kings of War & Dungeon Saga Missing Bits
The good news is on Friday we sent out approximately one third of the missing bits parcels for Dungeon Saga.

We have begun sending out the remaining missing items out for Dungeon Saga, Kings of War and any further missing bits forms we have received.

We will get as many as we can out this week and next. We are experiencing some stock shortages and will be in touch with individual customers to update them on what's going on.

Note that we will not respond to missing bits forms unless we need more information - we are busy packing your orders!

If you have a missing pledge or any missing bits please fill out the missing bits form here IF you have not already done so. If you have filled it out already please do not fill it in again.

Dungeon Saga Missing Pledges
I have rushed in a delivery of more Dungeon Saga games and am making sure everyone who hasn’t received their pledge yet is getting a copy, ahead of the original April estimate.

We will do our best to make sure that Dungeon Saga customers who have not received their pledge get their Dungeon Master and any add-ons from the stock we have. If we are unable to completely fulfil any pledges, we will be in touch with you individually to update you.

We are on it!
Kings of War Missing Pledges

I am aware that there is an incredibly small minority of backers who have not yet received their Wave I Kings of War items.

Kings of War Wave I missing pledges are being sent out along with the missing items as outlined above.
If you have a missing pledge or any missing bits please fill out the missing bits form here IF you have not already done so. If you have filled it out already please do not fill it in again. We will get you your pledge!
Dungeon Saga Pledge Manager
The second Dungeon Saga Pledge Manager closed on Sunday 10th January. We initially planned to print 2000 copies of the Adventurer’s Companion and sold out before the Pledge Manager closed.

It’s clear that there’s a demand for the reprint of the book, and so I have switched back on the pledge manager with unlimited stock. If you would like a reprint of the Adventurer’s Companion we will supply you with one, please complete the pledge manager now.

In addition, we’ve reopened orders for the Book Box too.
You can access the pledge manager using the email link in the invitation email we sent out or via the reminder email to all backers including a link.

You have until midnight Friday 22nd January GMT to request your reprint of the Adventurer’s Companion, a book box or the Dungeon Saga rucksack via the pledge manager.

Is anyone actually buying that rucksack?!

**shaneimus**

Well the new customer service initiative is working brilliantly. Instead of my replacement Hoggar, the one I got with the kickstarter didn't have a head, they sent me a Necromancer overlord panel. Yay. And I never did receive my Enforcer medic and defender models from Deadzone 1. I've long given up on those though.

**timetowaste85**

Can somebody tell me: did US backers receive this via Alliance Games?
Just received a box at the office and can't open it til Sunday. I'm assuming it's DS. Can any other U.S. backers let me know? DS and KoW 2 are both late, but full communication, I'm not concerned at all, just trying to figure which I should be excited to have received.

**JoshInJapan**

Huh. I just found a box full of Black Fortress tiles and furniture in my mailbox at work. I didn't even realize that I hadn't received it yet. A not-unwelcome surprise.

**Ctaylor**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Can somebody tell me: did US backers receive this via Alliance Games?
Just received a box at the office and can't open it til Sunday. I'm assuming it's DS. Can any other U.S. backers let me know? DS and KoW 2 are both late, but full communication, I'm not concerned at all, just trying to figure which I should be excited to have received.

Pretty sure the US core boxes were shipped by Alliance.

**timetowaste85**

Yup. Dungeon saga is indeed what had been waiting on my desk.

**GrimDork**

Hey guys, just a heads up.

Remember to lock in your pledge manager if you wanted the Dungeon Journal, rucksack, or book boxes.

The PM closes TONIGHT at midnight englishpeopletime.

**timetowaste85**

None of the expansions are available, right? Basically...anything including models.

**GrimDork**

The list is literally the revised book, rucksack, and book boxes. Those three things. Pretty sure that's it unless there was another page hidden somewhere.

**BrizzleRob**

Well done Mantic, small and surprisingly slim package arrived this morning. Let's just review what I sent you in mid-November.

"Were you missing any whole products? If so, tell us in this box.: 1x set of critters 1x set of furniture 1x set of doors
Anything else wrong with your order?1. Request full refund for the additional 'collectors edition' (pah) hardback Compendium. I'm happy to return by post proving you pay the postage. It has been falsely advertised, it littered with errors and simply isn't worth the money I paid for it. There is nothing collectable about it (in a positive way)..."

So what did I receive:

1x set of critters CHECK
1x set of furniture NOPE
1x set of doors NOPE
1x Adventurer's Companion, complete with errors (see XXX) and correction sheet WHAT?!

Honestly Mantic was my missing items form that confusing that you were incapable to translate the request into reality (or at least some sort of engagement)? I thought you might be finally making some improvements, but evidently its all style without substance.

**mattjgilbert**

shaneimus and BrizzleRob. PM me what you are missing and I'll get it sorted out.