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Orchal wrote:
A user of the main french warhammer forum (http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=221485&st=0) who bought the digital edition of the SW codex today reported that this new digital codex include a brand new army list builder app. But, what interest us, is that he also said that he was able to see in this new tool a different GK army list than the current one, maybe from the upcoming dex (due to a bug). Here is what he reported, of course i cannot tell you if this is 100% legit :

HQ

- Brother Captain (same point cost as before)
-- Grand Master
-- Melta bombs
--Digital weapons
-- Teleport Homer

New relics :
-- Master crafted
-- Bone Shard of Solor
-- The fury of Deimos
-- Cuirass of Sacrifice
-- The Soul Glaive
-- Domina Liber Daemonica

- Brother-Captain stern (less expensive than before, point drop = power weapon),

- BrotherHood Champion

- Castellan Crowe (more expensive than before)

- Librarian (lvl 2), (point deacrase = GK rhino)
-- Niveau 3
-- combi weapon
-- GK cc weapon
-- Melta-bombs
-- Digital weapons
--Teleport homer
--Master-crafted
-- relics

- Techmarine, same cost as before

TROOP

- Strike Squad, a little more expensive

- Terminator Squad, price less expensive than before (the point drop = price of nemesis scepter)
-- no more justicar Thawn
-- Land raider dedicated transport

ELITE

- Purifier Squad, a little more expensive than before

- Paladin Squad, suaqd of 3 for the cost of a 5 man vanilla terminator squad
-- Land raider as dedicated transport

- Dreadnought, a little more expensive
-- can become vénérable

FAST ATTACK

- Interceptor Squad, same cost as before
-- Incinerator, huge discount as GK weapon's cost is the same for every entry now

- Stormraven,

HEAVY SUPPORT

- Purgator Squad, un peu + cher qu'avant. RAS

- Nemesis Dreadknight, same cost
-- Personal teleporter has gone cheaper !

LORD OF WAR

- Draigo Kaldor, cheaper.

SO no more inquisition stuff on the dex.

ps : as i'm french too i apology for the bad english !

LOL, umm sure.. Im going to predict a 20% accuracy rating.. No Coteaz? points increase on units that most people wont use as is, points staying the same on points that are way to expensive... Hmmmm

I'm not claiming its true, maybe its a fake (and a good one), i m just translating what the dude said,.But i think it that makes sense with the latest rumors i ve been reading on the internet, we'll see

Tsilber wrote:

Orchal wrote:

Spoiler:

A user of the main french warhammer forum (http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=221485&st=0) who bought the digital edition of the SW codex today reported that this new digital codex include a brand new army list builder app. But, what interest us, is that he also said that he was able to see in this new tool a different GK army list than the current one, maybe from the upcoming dex (due to a bug). Here is what he reported, of course i cannot tell you if this is 100% legit :

HQ

- Brother Captain (same point cost as before)
-- Grand Master
-- Melta bombs
--Digital weapons
-- Teleport Homer

New relics :
-- Master crafted
-- Bone Shard of Solor
-- The fury of Deimos
-- Cuirass of Sacrifice
-- The Soul Glaive
-- Domina Liber Daemonica

- Brother-Captain stern (less expensive than before, point drop = power weapon),

- BrotherHood Champion

- Castellan Crowe (more expensive than before)

- Librarian (lvl 2), (point deacrase = GK rhino)
-- Niveau 3
-- combi weapon
-- GK cc weapon
-- Melta-bombs
-- Digital weapons
--Teleport homer
--Master-crafted
-- relics

- Techmarine, same cost as before

TROOP

- Strike Squad, a little more expensive

- Terminator Squad, price less expensive than before (the point drop = price of nemesis scepter)
-- no more justicar Thawn
-- Land raider dedicated transport

ELITE

- Purifier Squad, a little more expensive than before

- Paladin Squad, suaqd of 3 for the cost of a 5 man vanilla terminator squad
-- Land raider as dedicated transport

- Dreadnought, a little more expensive
-- can become vénérable

FAST ATTACK

- Interceptor Squad, same cost as before
-- Incinerator, huge discount as GK weapon's cost is the same for every entry now

- Stormraven,

HEAVY SUPPORT

- Purgator Squad, un peu + cher qu'avant. RAS

- Nemesis Dreadknight, same cost
-- Personal teleporter has gone cheaper !

LORD OF WAR

- Draigo Kaldor, cheaper.

SO no more inquisition stuff on the dex.

ps : as i'm french too i apology for the bad english !

LOL, umm sure.. Im going to predict a 20% accuracy rating.. No Coteaz? points increase on units that most people wont use as is, points staying the same on points that are way to expensive... Hmmmm

No Coteaz?

Sure there is!
http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Inquisition-eBook-_Edition.html

You weren't expecting to only need one book were you? Nobody else gets away with that!

As for the points increases, I guess someone in the studio has been pwning the lead writer at "Friday play testing" with those units, so they must be like, totally, OP.

Very disappointed in this rumour/leak. No GK army for me then. Unless they plan to allows 1+ Troops and/or 1+ Elites as a detachement, I now have but one troop choice, 4 Elites and 0 HQs.

The guy added a pic to prove he s saying the truth, altough it still can be a fake, but i doubt it (i think he blurred the prices because the mods of this forum are ------- and would have deleted the pic otherwise)





edit : thanks paradigm, after years of lurking i created my account tu relay this info, hope it's not a stupide fake ^^

Edited for language by motyak

Looks very odd to me. 'Any model may take...' On a one man 'unit'? Listing all the relics by name? Most unusual, I'd guess, unless this is how GW formats these. Can anyone with an iCodex confirm/deny?

Also, welcome to Dakka, Orchal!

edit: it also sayts 'may replace it's melee weapon with'. The codex usually refers even to base weapons by specific names in these cases.

Oops. Sorry to be rude. Thanks for posting Orchal, even if I don't like what's being posted. I'll remain hopeful that it's an early, incomplete version because without inquisition units the army is just too "elite" to have any volume of fire.

@Paradigm, I think the screenshot is what you see when you click on HQ then click Brother Captain.

 agnosto wrote:


@Paradigm, I think the screenshot is what you see when you click on HQ then click Brother Captain.

I see that, but the exact wordings of various bits seem very off to me. The lack of proper capitalisation seems a potential giveaway, although not impossible if this is an early version.

 Paradigm wrote:

 agnosto wrote:


@Paradigm, I think the screenshot is what you see when you click on HQ then click Brother Captain.

I see that, but the exact wordings of various bits seem very off to me. The lack of proper capitalisation seems a potential giveaway, although not impossible if this is an early version.

You're assuming GW writers never make such errors...

Sadly I don't believe this 'leak.' Point increase on already expensive units? I VERY much doubt that, especially with the removal of inquisition.

As said, this makes the army far too elite to be viable as is.

I agree with you, this would be stupid changes, but the same guys also created many stupid and unbalanced rules/army entries lately :x

Orchal wrote:
I agree with you, this would be stupid changes, but the same guys also created many stupid and unbalanced rules/army entries lately :x

More like they're RAISING the cost of core models therefore making you buy less. And I highly doubt purgation squads are staying as they are without changes. They are inferior purifiers using up the precious heavy slot that has much better choice in. I don't see why Thawn is removed (other codexes have single model upgrades without an actual model still in the codex.) With the loss of Warp Quake and other GK specific powers and the much greater difficulty of manifesting psychic powers in 7th, GKs in general are too expensive.

 agnosto wrote:
So, based upon that, it looks like GK's are getting the SoB treatment (i.e. a digital only dex?). If this is true, and I hope it isn't, they've taken all of the flavor out of the army.

SoB did not get the army builder app. Marines did. Guess which codex also had a physical release.
So, even if there seems to be no new model, it is too early to say there will be no physical book.


Also, let us not forget that for now we only have access to the costs, not the rules. That can change a lot of things.

I guess it may depend on what else the GKs get, like better statlines or other special abilities. Any word on that?

Termies only 35 pts? Excellent!

I would only play pure GK so I couldn't care less about no inquisition. You can still ally with them of course...

Flamer not incinerator? No mention of psycannon?

Looks like a messed up bug in the program rather than anything telling.

Just for clarity, Orchal, which forum are you talking about regarding the mods not being nice?

seems legit so far. If you check the bit under incinerator you see the next weapon box cut off. It should be a pull down menu with the rest of the wepaons there like psycannon.

Let's move on from the which-mods-are-what comment, it's immaterial to the discussion and we should try and stay on topic. I mean, Red is crying in the corner, but he does that all the time so it'll be fine.

 Breotan wrote:
Just for clarity, Orchal, which forum are you talking about regarding the mods not being nice?

Orchal is speaking about the policy on the French forum where the original leak appeared. The reason Orchal mentioned that is to anticipate the question of “But why are there white lines all over the point prices”, not to start a conversation on moderation policies. I am only mentioning that because it will surely end all discussion on the topic, please do not ban.

things that could justify the increase in points for GK : SS,
if its true,


return of true grit, improved or cheaper nemisis force weapons, cheaper special weapons or psybolts, some other rules perhaps?

poster might also just be wrong about pts, or it might be an error in the leak.

I think even GW wouldnt want to sell LESS models, and with regular marines being so much cheaper now then when Gk came out, I just cant see the most basic troops choice bing MORE then 20 pts esp if a termie went to 35.

Well having read some posts on other sites, the leak is true. But it is suspected to be very incomplete and missing things simply because the Space Wolf template can't hold all the GK data so things will be missed out. Though according to the posts, GKs haven't gone up in points. Rather they haven't changed. So maybe Psybolts are standard now hence no point drop?


via Waaaghschale translated from German Forums
http://waaaghgaming.de/informationen-zu-den-grey-knights/
For our english friends, I try to translate these information:

It is very likely that we will see the Codex some time soon.
The Interactive Edition of the Space Wolves Codex contains the Army Builder for the Grey Knights including points cost.

- Libby (Librarian?) much cheaper
- Terminators cheaper (2 points more than a Chaos Terminator, still Troops Choice)
- no new Units
- Inquisition no longer in the Codex
- Draigo Lord of War

There is more to read:
Techmarine is still in the Codex
Mordrak and Thawn are out, same for every entry without a modell

- Points cost of the Strike Squad is unchanged
- The number of heavy Weapons in a squad has not changed
- halberd costs 2 pts for all units, falchions 4, warding staff 5 and hammer 10
- The ranged weapons have been changed, flamer 5, psilencer 10, psycannon 15
- The close combat weapons for the terminators cost the same as for the non terminators but ranged weapons are 5 points more


via Voice of the Chaos Gods
GW made a BIG mistake. The "Army Builder" in the Codex Space Wolves Interactive Edition includes parts the of the coming Grey Knights Codex!
I have following informations:
-no new units
-Inquisition is gone
-Draigo is a Lord of War
-Terminators cheaper
-Librarian much cheaper

Do we know if paladins went up or down in points cost?

If this is True and Grey Knights now are separate from Inquisition, I will be very happy. I've always thought it bizarre that the Order would be bulked out by masses of loony Inquisitorial retinues or whatever.

Looks legit.

I now propose the Rumor that blood angels will get space marine jetbikes, called batwings. They must be painted black.

on a serious note, of course all the entries for HQ without models would be removed, this has happened in all the codex's for a while now so makes this rumor look more legit.

Also the separation of inquistor stuff, as the store has moved them into their own army section makes sense, and also supports this rumor.

Coteaz would of course be gone as hes unique and is a inquisition unit, not a GK unit.

Given that many players do not know they can find the faqs on the web regarding the new Gk powers it makes sense that they would move to replace the codex as it is fairly psyker heavy and the new powers are very different in many places than those of the old codex.

As we have seen in the ork codex [for anyone that has seen it] most things took a points drop, with some things remaining the same in cost but gaining more abilities/stats/options or in some cases old combos were still present at the base cost but the model had dropped in cost with the upgrade items going up to make the new cost = old cost for model with x item. [nob bikers]

TBH the separation of the inquisitorial side from the gk side is more or less a non factor unless you were avoiding taking GK troops ant aking inq henchmen. Since you can take multiple detachments and all, and armies of the imperium are all fist bumping each other.

 easysauce wrote:
things that could justify the increase in points for GK : SS,
if its true,


return of true grit, improved or cheaper nemisis force weapons, cheaper special weapons or psybolts, some other rules perhaps?

poster might also just be wrong about pts, or it might be an error in the leak.

I think even GW wouldnt want to sell LESS models, and with regular marines being so much cheaper now then when Gk came out, I just cant see the most basic troops choice bing MORE then 20 pts esp if a termie went to 35.

Maybe psybolt ammo became a special rule for the strike squads?

Any peep about vehicles? Just asking because in the GK FAQ there are references to Predators, vindicators and Whirlwinds at the beginning of the amendments section

Link for convenience: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Grey_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf

 ace101 wrote:
Any peep about vehicles? Just asking because in the GK FAQ there are references to Predators, vindicators and Whirlwinds at the beginning of the amendments section

Link for convenience: http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Grey_Knights_v1.0_May14.pdf

95% that their addition is a copy-paste error and not an addition to the GK book.

Right now I'm really struggling to see what profit GW expects to make from this release if point costs haven't generally changed (except for a few things,) no new models, or vehicles. Further nerfing of their psychic ability (which was slammed due to the new psychic phase,) by removing psychic pilot from vehicles, removing psybolt ammo...

Are they really expecting to sell JUST the codex? :S

Yeah if psychic pilot is removed that nerfs our psychic ability even further. Aside from the terminators getting cheaper these rumors make the book feel like a nerf of an average army.