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There's not a lot of reason to "whine" if you didn't invest time and money into the army. There's also no reason to kick a man when he's down.

Fireraven wrote:
Well I guess to all the MAD people saying there going to sell their stuff pm me pictures and your price I might just buy them. If you really even have a GK army I bet most the whiners own noda.

You can see my army in my gallery and I spent 4 months custom converting each model. The paint took an insane amount of layers because of the pigment being super thin given the color of choice. I will gladly negotiate a four figure price for all the effort I put into it along with the value of the models plus I'll throw in a carrying case. I'll even throw in the now Inquisition Detachment, all custom made, too, at no cost!

 TheKbob wrote:

Fireraven wrote:
Well I guess to all the MAD people saying there going to sell their stuff pm me pictures and your price I might just buy them. If you really even have a GK army I bet most the whiners own noda.

You can see my army in my gallery and I spent 4 months custom converting each model. The paint took an insane amount of layers because of the pigment being super thin given the color of choice. I will gladly negotiate a four figure price for all the effort I put into it along with the value of the models plus I'll throw in a carrying case. I'll even throw in the now Inquisition Detachment, all custom made, too, at no cost!

Don't you dare tempt me.....

Send me a pm with your exact asking price please.

Psycannons are worthless on any model without Relentless. 12" S7 AP4 (2 shots) is not worth giving up a Storm Bolter AND a Nemesis Force Sword AND the ability to assault after shooting (even if it were a free exchange). But it would have been met with fanfair instead of dread if the range had just been increased to 36", so that the half range would have been 18".

Psilencers are still worthless even with Force. They have almost no chance of inflicting Instant Death being as they are only Str 4 and have no AP. I calculated a 7% chance of each shot successfully causing Instant Death on a T5 enemy. It is margionally better vs daemons since it gets some extra re-rolls against them, but they still get to use their best save. Psilencers would have been viable if their Strength was increased to 6, and it ignored the Invulnerable Save of models with the Daemon Special Rule.

Incinerators getting Soulblaze is epic. Psycannons didn't need a nerf to make people start bringing more Incinerators. But since the nerf happened, the Incinerator is the only special weapon worth taking on non-relentless units.

Psybolt Ammunition is gone. The number one upgrade for all vehicles that gave the Grey Knights a fighting chance against enemies who vastly outnumbered them at range, and it's gone, along with the viability of several vehicle builds.

The Grey Knights have been reduced to a gimmick. They are close combat Psykers, who can't cast their psychic powers when in close combat. They have been become a one-trick pony, and all of the builds are going to start looking alike, more so than the 5th edition Codex.

The Dreadknight is the only model that retains good mobility, good ranged firepower, and melee potential, so we will see a lot more of them showing up in every list. Apart from the HQ/T tax, all the rest of the points will be spent on Dreadknights, or allies.

I noticed that the new Ork Codex had the same fluff from the old one. It was verbatim.

This is going to most likely have the same fluff, half the army and double the price.

Lol, why do I play this game?

KBOB, your grey knights are freaking amazing.

 Pyeatt wrote:
KBOB, your grey knights are freaking amazing.

Thanks! Inspired by the Flash Gitz from their Trials of Lord Draigo. Failed to get army of the show at Feast last year, but the winner had some mind blowing Chaos army with some kit bashes that made my stuff look like hack work!

I mean, it's the real reason I'm pretty upset with this release. It took a lot of work!


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Johnnytorrance wrote:

Lol, why do I play this game?

Malifaux, Infinity, or Warmahordes... All three fun!

ForeverARookie wrote:
They are close combat Psykers, who can't cast their psychic powers when in close combat. They have been become a one-trick pony, and all of the builds are going to start looking alike, more so than the 5th edition Codex.

You keep repeating this, you're aware you can cast blessings and maledictions in combat right?

 TheKbob wrote:

Fireraven wrote:
Well I guess to all the MAD people saying there going to sell their stuff pm me pictures and your price I might just buy them. If you really even have a GK army I bet most the whiners own noda.

You can see my army in my gallery and I spent 4 months custom converting each model. The paint took an insane amount of layers because of the pigment being super thin given the color of choice. I will gladly negotiate a four figure price for all the effort I put into it along with the value of the models plus I'll throw in a carrying case. I'll even throw in the now Inquisition Detachment, all custom made, too, at no cost!

I seen your gallery although they are nice I did not see no where near enough for a 1k+ price tag i seenmaybe 3 squads 2 DK. The conversions are nice but that green would have to go. Although I seen your sister's are they painted yet those conversions looked bad to the bone. For that price tag I can get a pretty nice sized army and get them painted to spec in the uk and shipped to me. I'm currently trying to get a final total to have the Fury of Fenris pack painted and shipped to me.


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I did give you a 10 for coolness and a 9 on paint foe the color. So that's 3 DK I seen updating from 2.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
They are close combat Psykers, who can't cast their psychic powers when in close combat. They have been become a one-trick pony, and all of the builds are going to start looking alike, more so than the 5th edition Codex.

You keep repeating this, you're aware you can cast blessings and maledictions in combat right?

It seems that his screen name is most appropriate...

I'm just really hoping we get something - anything - new. Please.

 Hulksmash wrote:
So I can get a DK with a teleporter, sword, h. incinerator, h. psycannon for 10pts less than my current model with a teleporter and h. incinerator. I'm in.

Well, teleporter and heavy incinerator should be enough.
I'll spend the points freed for some other things: Termies, Dreads, not sure.

 FinkleLord wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
Why does Draigo have an Iron Halo AND a Storm Shield?

That's like saying you can ride this bike to work AND this Scooter.

Captains/GMs have iron halos its a fluff thing

Draigo is a Supreme GM thus having the iron halo


They are all like that. Look at Lysander or a Chapter Master

Also, it has some remote use in-game.
A vindicare can brake an invul item, but if you got another-you got a backup.


Andway, are we missing the most imoprtant thing?
Psylencers. FORCE. the Gatling one is 12 shots. pretty much "point and click removal" if you manage to turn up the force. against anything and everything without EW.

Well I have been looking at Crowe and yes Crowe by himself does not look impressive, but with my Purifier Squad [6 Models with 2 Incinerators] I see this...
Movement Phase:
Gets within a few inches of a Unit
Psychic Phase:
Crowe Cast Force
Crowe Cast Cleansing Flame
Purifier Squad Cast Hammer Hand
Purifier Squad Cleansing Flame
That comes out to 4d6 S5, AP4 Soul Blaze Attacks and everyone is now S6
Shooting Phase:
5x Storm Bolters and 2 Incinerators go off.
Assault Phase: [Assuming they all get to Assault]
I10] 7x S6 Hammer of Wrath Attacks
I6 Crow makes 4x WS8, S6, AP-, Force Attacks or 1x WS8, S10 AP2, Force Attack [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Halberds: 3x WS4, S7, AP3, Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 1x Falchion 4x WS4, S6, AP3 Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Incinerators, 3x WS4, S6, AP-, Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I1 1x Hammer, 3x WS4, S10, AP2, Force, Concussive Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]

If I can pull this off it could be pretty Devastating, the only issue I am seeing is that I may blast my way out of Assault Range.

 BoomWolf wrote:

Andway, are we missing the most imoprtant thing?
Psylencers. FORCE. the Gatling one is 12 shots. pretty much "point and click removal" if you manage to turn up the force. against anything and everything without EW.

Beh.

Mathematically, against TEQ, you'll get .667 wounds with that shooting, and you have to get the force weapon to actually activate.

Against most nids monstrous creatures, you'll get .444 wounds. Not impressive.


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 Anpu42 wrote:
Well I have been looking at Crowe and yes Crowe by himself does not look impressive, but with my Purifier Squad [6 Models with 2 Incinerators] I see this...
Movement Phase:
Gets within a few inches of a Unit
Psychic Phase:
Crowe Cast Force
Crowe Cast Cleansing Flame
Purifier Squad Cast Hammer Hand
Purifier Squad Cleansing Flame
That comes out to 4d6 S5, AP4 Soul Blaze Attacks and everyone is now S6
Shooting Phase:
5x Storm Bolters and 2 Incinerators go off.
Assault Phase: [Assuming they all get to Assault]
I10] 7x S6 Hammer of Wrath Attacks
I6 Crow makes 4x WS8, S6, AP-, Force Attacks or 1x WS8, S10 AP2, Force Attack [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Halberds: 3x WS4, S7, AP3, Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 1x Falchion 4x WS4, S6, AP3 Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Incinerators, 3x WS4, S6, AP-, Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I1 1x Hammer, 3x WS4, S10, AP2, Force, Concussive Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]

If I can pull this off it could be pretty Devastating, the only issue I am seeing is that I may blast my way out of Assault Range.

Biggest problem is getting into that range. Gonna need a raider or a raven to do that. Next biggest problem is successfully casting all of that, especially since our rides aren't supplying nearly as much warp charge.

If you could pull it off, it'd be pretty funny though.

it's a 40%ish chance to ID any nid MC with a single model's shooting, less after DtW. it's not super broken but it's not some remote event in the farthest realms of impossibility, either.

katfude wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well I have been looking at Crowe and yes Crowe by himself does not look impressive, but with my Purifier Squad [6 Models with 2 Incinerators] I see this...
Movement Phase:
Gets within a few inches of a Unit
Psychic Phase:
Crowe Cast Force
Crowe Cast Cleansing Flame
Purifier Squad Cast Hammer Hand
Purifier Squad Cleansing Flame
That comes out to 4d6 S5, AP4 Soul Blaze Attacks and everyone is now S6
Shooting Phase:
5x Storm Bolters and 2 Incinerators go off.
Assault Phase: [Assuming they all get to Assault]
I10] 7x S6 Hammer of Wrath Attacks
I6 Crow makes 4x WS8, S6, AP-, Force Attacks or 1x WS8, S10 AP2, Force Attack [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Halberds: 3x WS4, S7, AP3, Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 1x Falchion 4x WS4, S6, AP3 Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Incinerators, 3x WS4, S6, AP-, Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I1 1x Hammer, 3x WS4, S10, AP2, Force, Concussive Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]

If I can pull this off it could be pretty Devastating, the only issue I am seeing is that I may blast my way out of Assault Range.

Biggest problem is getting into that range. Gonna need a raider or a raven to do that. Next biggest problem is successfully casting all of that, especially since our rides aren't supplying nearly as much warp charge.

If you could pull it off, it'd be pretty funny though.

Probably in the Land Raider Redeemer, I usually put my Librarian and Paladin Squad in the Storm Raven.
Both the Transports just got Cheaper with out the Psi-Ammo

Kbob those are some amazing GK, I am jelly. Still, it is going to be a bit hard selling a GK army like mine that has only one knight in it.

As for everyone poo-pooing the GK players in this thread because it was their codex nerfed and not yours, I sincerely hope you grow-up, no one likes something they worked on being trashed. It means it more likely GW will go down this path in the future; lets take a saying and change it a bit.

First they came for the Tyranids, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Tyranid.
Then they came for the Orks, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Orks.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Also GK was mid tier, I wonder where everyone got the idea they were Tau and Eldar tier.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well I have been looking at Crowe and yes Crowe by himself does not look impressive, but with my Purifier Squad [6 Models with 2 Incinerators] I see this...
Movement Phase:
Gets within a few inches of a Unit
Psychic Phase:
Crowe Cast Force
Crowe Cast Cleansing Flame
Purifier Squad Cast Hammer Hand
Purifier Squad Cleansing Flame
That comes out to 4d6 S5, AP4 Soul Blaze Attacks and everyone is now S6
Shooting Phase:
5x Storm Bolters and 2 Incinerators go off.
Assault Phase: [Assuming they all get to Assault]
I10] 7x S6 Hammer of Wrath Attacks
I6 Crow makes 4x WS8, S6, AP-, Force Attacks or 1x WS8, S10 AP2, Force Attack [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Halberds: 3x WS4, S7, AP3, Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 1x Falchion 4x WS4, S6, AP3 Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Incinerators, 3x WS4, S6, AP-, Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I1 1x Hammer, 3x WS4, S10, AP2, Force, Concussive Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]

If I can pull this off it could be pretty Devastating, the only issue I am seeing is that I may blast my way out of Assault Range.

Crowe doesn't have a Force weapon, and Smash only comes into play when he can get in a challenge. He can just attack 4 times at S6 AP2 though, you don't have to replace an attack with the Smash rule with a single Sx2 attack. But yeah, that would require 4 successful psychic tests, out of which 2 are WP2 powers that can be denied with full DtW bonuses, and Crowe will have to be your Warlord.

Since i never owned a single DK, because to this day i cannot stand that awful awful model, does anyone know of a good alternative model for the DK since I'm forced to get at least 2 if i ever want to play my GKs again ?

15mm scale Leviathan Crusaders from Dreamforge?

Size comparison

 Redemption wrote:

Spoiler:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well I have been looking at Crowe and yes Crowe by himself does not look impressive, but with my Purifier Squad [6 Models with 2 Incinerators] I see this...
Movement Phase:
Gets within a few inches of a Unit
Psychic Phase:
Crowe Cast Force
Crowe Cast Cleansing Flame
Purifier Squad Cast Hammer Hand
Purifier Squad Cleansing Flame
That comes out to 4d6 S5, AP4 Soul Blaze Attacks and everyone is now S6
Shooting Phase:
5x Storm Bolters and 2 Incinerators go off.
Assault Phase: [Assuming they all get to Assault]
I10] 7x S6 Hammer of Wrath Attacks
I6 Crow makes 4x WS8, S6, AP-, Force Attacks or 1x WS8, S10 AP2, Force Attack [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Halberds: 3x WS4, S7, AP3, Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 1x Falchion 4x WS4, S6, AP3 Force Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I4 2x Incinerators, 3x WS4, S6, AP-, Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]
I1 1x Hammer, 3x WS4, S10, AP2, Force, Concussive Attacks [Vs. Daemons with Re-Rolls]

If I can pull this off it could be pretty Devastating, the only issue I am seeing is that I may blast my way out of Assault Range.

Crowe doesn't have a Force weapon, and Smash only comes into play when he can get in a challenge. He can just attack 4 times at S6 AP2 though, you don't have to replace an attack with the Smash rule with a single Sx2 attack. But yeah, that would require 4 successful psychic tests, out of which 2 are WP2 powers that can be denied with full DtW bonuses, and Crowe will have to be your Warlord.

Yes and I am a optimist.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 FinkleLord wrote:

ForeverARookie wrote:
Why does Draigo have an Iron Halo AND a Storm Shield?

That's like saying you can ride this bike to work AND this Scooter.

Captains/GMs have iron halos its a fluff thing

Draigo is a Supreme GM thus having the iron halo


They are all like that. Look at Lysander or a Chapter Master

Also, it has some remote use in-game.
A vindicare can brake an invul item, but if you got another-you got a backup.

Assuming the dataslate is a copy and paste of the old Codex's rules then it removes all wargear granted invulnerable saves

"When a wound from this round is allocated to a model, that model loses any invulnerable saves granted by wargear immediately and for the rest of the battle. Remaining saves (if any) can then be taken."

Here's a 2k list I barfed up.

Nemesis Strike Force
ML3 Librarian w/ SB, hammer, armour of martyrs 160
5 pallies w/ Nemesis banner, 3 hammers, 1 halberd, 2 psycannons and apothecary 402
5 termies w/ 2 hammers, 1 cannon 205
10 interceptors w/ 2 incins 270
8 interceptors w/ 1 incin 213
2 dreadknights w/ sword, telly, incin 190 each

Imperial Knight ally
Knight Errant

2k on the nose. Feels very model light, and if the alpha doesn't deliver, gg pack your bags.

We've had to delete or edit several posts.

Whilst the odd scan to show something or to prove a point is fair enough I'm afraid we cannot have pretty much the entire codex on the site.

Thank you.

The scans are up on the Mexican Ork's facebook page, I won't post them here due to the Mod post above. What do people think of the confirmed changes?

 Looky Likey wrote:
The scans are up on the Mexican Ork's facebook page, I won't post them here due to the Mod post above. What do people think of the confirmed changes?

I think they are pretty awesome from what I've seen so far.
And I've seen them all, since I am working on their Battlescribe file

Kangodo wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
The scans are up on the Mexican Ork's facebook page, I won't post them here due to the Mod post above. What do people think of the confirmed changes?

I think they are pretty awesome from what I've seen so far.
And I've seen them all, since I am working on their Battlescribe file

Glad to hear it! I just spent my work shift doing a super rough battlescribe edit job to allow me to start painfully planning my newly restricted army and it's bueno for now, but can't wait to check out your shiny finished product!

 Looky Likey wrote:
The scans are up on the Mexican Ork's facebook page, I won't post them here due to the Mod post above. What do people think of the confirmed changes?

As a 40k player for 30 years i must admit that this relaese is a huge dissapointment, bouth as a fluffy player and a competetive player. The big four for me being:

- No new model or units
- All of inquisitor, henchmen and assassins gone. I can accept that GW take out those that don't have models and that Inq Xeno etc goes out. But Mallus Inquisitor, henchmen, stormtroopers and assassins should be there. Both for fluff and to flesh out the codex.
- Internal and external balance seems really bad.
- A lot of the nice unique wargear and powers for GK, which wasn't OP is taken out. Shure it's the same with other armies, but doesn't make it better.

I think this is really a lost opertunity for GW to make money. If I was in charge i would :

- Keep mallus inquisiors and relaese a plastic inqusitor modell with a lot of different weapons/options. Since a lot of people also ally in a inq., i think it would sell good.
- Keep henchmen and give GK some elite stormtroopers. Should boost sale for the stormtroopers.
- Give GK a jetbike options in fast slot. If GW don't want to invest in one, give GK access to the FW LEGION SCIMITAR PATTERN JETBIKE. It would be fluffy and good for sale.
- Some tweaks to units stats and wargear to make it better but not OP. I think most good players out there could do this in 10 min.

Overall - one of the worst relaeses so far IMO.

Anyone on this thread still buying the codex? :p