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 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Hobby Lobby made themselves a target for scrutiny. Not just with the SCOTUS case itself, but with all their actions to the contrary of their stated ideals.

"We don't want to give money towards abortion." - contributes and invests in companies that make these drugs.
"We don't believe in abortion." - almost all their inventory is made in China whose policies force over 13 million abortions a year, 5 times the US rate.
"Our Christian values are above all else." - sells religious everything made in China, manufactured by people under slave conditions under a regime that is extremely hostile to Christianity.

MMM yes much better if they treated their retail employees like Walmart or that big Democratic donor McDonalds.

Honestly, I have much more respect for McDonalds and Walmart. At least they have the common decency to be donkey-caves to everybody all the time. They are consistent and they are honest. You know what you get.

The Greens wrap themselves in the US flag and pages of the Bible, claiming that they love this country and Jesus while gaking on the very values that they pretend to care about.

Give me an honest donkey-cave over a hypocritical one any day of the week.

In Texas, pretty much all the line employees are illegal aliens, paid minimum wage, with no health benefits. Rememeber they were magically excluded from Obamacare requirements.

Which addresses anything that I said how?

Because you insanely think their business practices are better than Hobby Lobby which pays more, provides healthcare, and weekend time off.
Have you even worked in retail?

 jasper76 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
On what moral grounds do you have to support anyone and everyone that wants to be covered for their pregnancy?

We're talking about employees, not anyone and everyone.

Pregnant women need to be supported or the human race will become extinct.

You should see the lather the Japanese government have got themselves into because Japanese women are fed up with producing children.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
On what moral grounds do you have to support anyone and everyone that wants to be covered for their pregnancy?

We're talking about employees, not anyone and everyone.

Pregnant women need to be supported or the human race will become extinct.

You should see the lather the Japanese government have got themselves into because Japanese women are fed up with producing children.

I'm sure thats a bad thing...somehow.

See, personally I think people should have to disclose a pregnancy before they're hired. I think any company should be entitled to know if you're going to be requiring time off.

But then again, I believe VERY little of what is said by the claimant in the article. As some that previously had 2 kids, I don't believe that she didn't know she was 4 months pregnant.

I don't really think there's any "moral imperative" to hold a job for an unskilled part time worker that had only been with your company a short time prior to giving birth.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
On what moral grounds do you have to support anyone and everyone that wants to be covered for their pregnancy?

We're talking about employees, not anyone and everyone.

Pregnant women need to be supported or the human race will become extinct.

You should see the lather the Japanese government have got themselves into because Japanese women are fed up with producing children.

I'm sure thats a bad thing...somehow.

Well, that would suggest a potential shortage of new generations of Japanese women. Per the various images KK is known to post in threads getting unruly, I think it would be best for societies around the world if the practice of reproduction were to continue there.

You know one of the most amazing things to me about all the anti Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that just last year Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage for part timers to $9.65 and for full timers to $14.

But I guess you have to keep up that "evil hobby lobby war on women" storyline.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Hobby Lobby made themselves a target for scrutiny. Not just with the SCOTUS case itself, but with all their actions to the contrary of their stated ideals.

"We don't want to give money towards abortion." - contributes and invests in companies that make these drugs.
"We don't believe in abortion." - almost all their inventory is made in China whose policies force over 13 million abortions a year, 5 times the US rate.
"Our Christian values are above all else." - sells religious everything made in China, manufactured by people under slave conditions under a regime that is extremely hostile to Christianity.

MMM yes much better if they treated their retail employees like Walmart or that big Democratic donor McDonalds.

Honestly, I have much more respect for McDonalds and Walmart. At least they have the common decency to be donkey-caves to everybody all the time. They are consistent and they are honest. You know what you get.

The Greens wrap themselves in the US flag and pages of the Bible, claiming that they love this country and Jesus while gaking on the very values that they pretend to care about.

Give me an honest donkey-cave over a hypocritical one any day of the week.

In Texas, pretty much all the line employees are illegal aliens, paid minimum wage, with no health benefits. Rememeber they were magically excluded from Obamacare requirements.

Which addresses anything that I said how?

Because you insanely think their business practices are better than Hobby Lobby which pays more, provides healthcare, and weekend time off.
Have you even worked in retail?

How do you get "they have better business practices than Hobby Lobby" out of that?

 cincydooley wrote:
See, personally I think people should have to disclose a pregnancy before they're hired. I think any company should be entitled to know if you're going to be requiring time off.

But then again, I believe VERY little of what is said by the claimant in the article. As some that previously had 2 kids, I don't believe that she didn't know she was 4 months pregnant.

I agree with the disclosure part... But, as I said earlier, this particular lady sounds like she was of a rather large persuasion to begin with, which could lend a bit to the "I didnt know" line... However, yeah, having had previous children, a lady SHOULD know what that feels like, and sort of instantly know, prior to peeing on a stick (my wife knew with our second before she did any tests)


However, all that being said... IF she knew, and IF she told them this during an interview or post hiring/administrative process and the company still hired her, then they should definitely be getting her back on the schedule. The problem is, if she tells them "I'm pregnant and getting this job" during an interview, and then they don't hire her, then she could presumably go after them for discriminatory hiring practices.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
See, personally I think people should have to disclose a pregnancy before they're hired. I think any company should be entitled to know if you're going to be requiring time off.

But then again, I believe VERY little of what is said by the claimant in the article. As some that previously had 2 kids, I don't believe that she didn't know she was 4 months pregnant.

I agree with the disclosure part... But, as I said earlier, this particular lady sounds like she was of a rather large persuasion to begin with, which could lend a bit to the "I didnt know" line... However, yeah, having had previous children, a lady SHOULD know what that feels like, and sort of instantly know, prior to peeing on a stick (my wife knew with our second before she did any tests)


However, all that being said... IF she knew, and IF she told them this during an interview or post hiring/administrative process and the company still hired her, then they should definitely be getting her back on the schedule. The problem is, if she tells them "I'm pregnant and getting this job" during an interview, and then they don't hire her, then she could presumably go after them for discriminatory hiring practices.

That assumes that every pregnancy feels exactly the same, all the time.

Which is false.

 cincydooley wrote:
You know one of the most amazing things to me about all the anti Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that just last year Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage for part timers to $9.65 and for full timers to $14.

But I guess you have to keep up that "evil hobby lobby war on women" storyline.

You know one of the most amazing things about all the pro Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that they do have employees that are required to work weekends, that they financially invest in drugs they believe cause abortion, and that they almost exclusively purchase from a nation whose one-child policy creates an environment where the abortion rate is 5x greater than the US and who is extremely hostile to the religion that is so important to them.

But I guess you have to keep up that "poor hobby lobby are the good guys" storyline.

 cincydooley wrote:
You know one of the most amazing things to me about all the anti Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that just last year Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage for part timers to $9.65 and for full timers to $14.

But I guess you have to keep up that "evil hobby lobby war on women" storyline.

If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
However, yeah, having had previous children, a lady SHOULD know what that feels like, and sort of instantly know, prior to peeing on a stick (my wife knew with our second before she did any tests).

My cousins' mother, who had already had 3 children, didn't know that she was pregnant until she gave birth at 9 months. Assumption is the mother of all feth ups.

Please don't circumvent the swear filter - RiTides

 d-usa wrote:
How conveniently they left out that they do have employees that are required to work weekends,

Working saturdays is quite normal for retail stores, and isn't really a "weekend" so we can quit the whining about that one. ALL Hobby Lobbies are closed on Sundays (for family/religious time... their store hours say so)

 d-usa wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
You know one of the most amazing things to me about all the anti Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that just last year Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage for part timers to $9.65 and for full timers to $14.

But I guess you have to keep up that "evil hobby lobby war on women" storyline.

You know one of the most amazing things about all the pro Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that they do have employees that are required to work weekends, that they financially invest in drugs they believe cause abortion, and that they almost exclusively purchase from a nation whose one-child policy creates an environment where the abortion rate is 5x greater than the US and who is extremely hostile to the religion that is so important to them.

But I guess you have to keep up that "poor hobby lobby are the good guys" storyline.

If you going to take that argument, they you can literally believe the US willingly funds terrorism by simply buying gas for your car.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
How conveniently they left out that they do have employees that are required to work weekends,

Working saturdays is quite normal for retail stores, and isn't really a "weekend" so we can quit the whining about that one. ALL Hobby Lobbies are closed on Sundays (for family/religious time... their store hours say so)

Warehouse workers work Sunday.

Which is something that is quite often drowned out by the "we give everybody off on Sunday to spend time with their family and God" rhetoric that comes from Hobby Lobby.

 cincydooley wrote:
See, personally I think people should have to disclose a pregnancy before they're hired. I think any company should be entitled to know if you're going to be requiring time off.

But then again, I believe VERY little of what is said by the claimant in the article. As some that previously had 2 kids, I don't believe that she didn't know she was 4 months pregnant.

I don't really think there's any "moral imperative" to hold a job for an unskilled part time worker that had only been with your company a short time prior to giving birth.

Men being pregnant would definitely be a surprise...

You know, when you look at it in context, the sky really is more red than blue.

There are five lights, also.

I don't think any business should be required to provide health care, in the first place. I've hardly been touting any "hobby lobby is the good guy" narrative.

I don't think they should be required to cover anything for this woman, or any part time employee, morally or otherwise.

Hobby Lobby is more than happy to cover 16 forms of birth control.

Again, I realize the popular thing now is to go after Hobby Lobby for anything you can; I just think it's unwarranted in this instance.

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Hobby Lobby made themselves a target for scrutiny. Not just with the SCOTUS case itself, but with all their actions to the contrary of their stated ideals.

"We don't want to give money towards abortion." - contributes and invests in companies that make these drugs.
"We don't believe in abortion." - almost all their inventory is made in China whose policies force over 13 million abortions a year, 5 times the US rate.
"Our Christian values are above all else." - sells religious everything made in China, manufactured by people under slave conditions under a regime that is extremely hostile to Christianity.

MMM yes much better if they treated their retail employees like Walmart or that big Democratic donor McDonalds.

Honestly, I have much more respect for McDonalds and Walmart. At least they have the common decency to be donkey-caves to everybody all the time. They are consistent and they are honest. You know what you get.

The Greens wrap themselves in the US flag and pages of the Bible, claiming that they love this country and Jesus while gaking on the very values that they pretend to care about.

Give me an honest donkey-cave over a hypocritical one any day of the week.

In Texas, pretty much all the line employees are illegal aliens, paid minimum wage, with no health benefits. Rememeber they were magically excluded from Obamacare requirements.

Which addresses anything that I said how?

Because you insanely think their business practices are better than Hobby Lobby which pays more, provides healthcare, and weekend time off.
Have you even worked in retail?

How do you get "they have better business practices than Hobby Lobby" out of that?

Derp its the "I have much more respect for" thing derp. Seriously?


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 daedalus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
You know one of the most amazing things to me about all the anti Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that just last year Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage for part timers to $9.65 and for full timers to $14.

But I guess you have to keep up that "evil hobby lobby war on women" storyline.

If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

You're assuming cheating on the girlfriend is bad.

 daedalus wrote:


If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

Where's the bad deed in this instance? I don't see it.

 daedalus wrote:
You know, when you look at it in context, the sky really is more red than blue.

There are five lights, also.

Thats what the wiener dog is for, to pull the plug on those lights.

We work best... in the shadows...

 cincydooley wrote:

 daedalus wrote:


If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

Where's the bad deed in this instance? I don't see it.

Not giving a woman her job back when you said you would and also blocking her attempt to get benefits by lying?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 daedalus wrote:


If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

Where's the bad deed in this instance? I don't see it.

Not giving a woman her job back when you said you would and also blocking her attempt to get benefits by lying?

Again, according to her. I don't believe her.

 cincydooley wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 daedalus wrote:


If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

Where's the bad deed in this instance? I don't see it.

Not giving a woman her job back when you said you would and also blocking her attempt to get benefits by lying?

Again, according to her. I don't believe her.

Why? Because you believe that all pregnancies are the same? Not really that great a position to be coming from considering it's demonstrably false.

Why do you believe she would lie and that Hobby Lobby wouldn't?

 cincydooley wrote:
You know one of the most amazing things to me about all the anti Hobby Lobby news? How conveniently they left out that just last year Hobby Lobby raised their minimum wage for part timers to $9.65 and for full timers to $14.

But I guess you have to keep up that "evil hobby lobby war on women" storyline.

My company tells those who work 6 hours to clock out a minute or 5 early so they dont officially work 6 hours
But then they give their employees free park admission, but told us at oritentation that families get half off when it wasnt true. But then we just had employee night where they gave us free food and drink, waterbaloon fights and so forth.
Just because a company does good things doesnt mean it cant do shady as $%$# things aswell


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 cincydooley wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 daedalus wrote:


If I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and then cheated on the girlfriend, would my good deeds absolve the bad one, or would I just be someone who, though I do something good recurringly, did something disagreeable in this other case?

Where's the bad deed in this instance? I don't see it.

Not giving a woman her job back when you said you would and also blocking her attempt to get benefits by lying?

Again, according to her. I don't believe her.

Why dont you believe her exactly? All because she didnt know she was pregnant?

But if she doesn't remember signing the binding arbitration agreement, it must not have happened.

 Frazzled wrote:

Derp its the "I have much more respect for" thing derp. Seriously?

Yup. At least when a company declares "we hate you" you know where you stand. If a company makes it clear that they will treat you like gak you don't really have any right to be surprised by it. When they pretend to be all "we love Jesus and we do everything Jesus would do" before doing the opposite, then I really have a problem.

I don't respect them for being donkey-caves. I respect them for being honest about being donkey-caves.

I don't believe her because it benefits her far more to lie than it does hobby lobby. Again, because hobby lobby did nothing illegal.

1. The story is being released at a suspiciously opportune time.
2. Her "not remembering" signing the arbitration agreement isn't an excuse for anything

 cincydooley wrote:
I don't believe her because it benefits her far more to lie than it does hobby lobby.

Hobby Lobby saves money by lying, that's a benefit.

Again, because hobby lobby did nothing illegal.

Nothing she did was illegal either.

Saves money how? They're under no obligation to give her anything. And presumably they hired someone else to replace her when she was terminated.