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Necrons got some pretty good stuff. The chariot rules make the command barge pretty awesome. Although I think their Transcendent C`Tan got the smackdown layed on it pretty hard, so that might put them out of contention.

Demons or Gray Knights maybe? They can abuse the psychic phase pretty well.

Eldar are just good anyway, not sure how they feel about 7th.

eldar WS got buffed in 7th, there OP psychic powers got nerfed.

 raiden wrote:
eldar WS got buffed in 7th, there OP psychic powers got nerfed.

*their

and psychic powers got nerfed, the Eldar ones remained the same, and are a bit more attractive with the change to prescience and being able to cast multiple witchfires.

Iron hands. Needing to roll 7 to destroy vehicles on the damage chart now their tanks got a lot tougher. With IWND glancing them to death became much more difficult.

Here's a snapshot of the current meta, by reported games:

http://www.torrentoffire.com/5306/summers-movers-and-shakers-so-far

But it depends a lot on mission objectives and what's allowed. Some tournaments don't allow digital realeses only, like data slates (Formations) which hurt Tyranids.

The psychic system was nered in 7th edition- warp charges are a lot less reliable than the standard leadership test we've been using, and the game punishes you extremely hard for throwing enough dice at a power to make your chances of successfully casting it worthwhile. Any army that relied heavily on psychic powers got nerfed.

I'd say 7th greatly benefited DEldar and Marines. Deldar having super speed has become even more beneficial with the maelstrom missions putting extra emphasis on objectives, and Marines can throw down a huge number of objective secured units with OJ dedicated transports and combat squadding.

I agree, DE are really excellent for Maelstrom missions. The combination of superb mobility and firepower allows us to grab distant objectives and wipe out anyone who dares interfere

The change to Jink hurt some Skimmers (like Necrons), but we have our trusty Flickerfields to remedy that.

I'm really happy I'd decided to start a DE army several months before 7th Edition came.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Although I think their Transcendent C`Tan got the smackdown layed on it pretty hard, so that might put them out of contention.

What smack down is this? I don't recall anything about the T-C'tan getting worse...

 SarisKhan wrote:
IThe change to Jink hurt some Skimmers (like Necrons)

... you think Necron skimmers were hurt by the update to jink??

One honorable mention is the armies of the Imperium whom are now Battlebrothers with each other. The Imperium forces with somewhat restricted allies matrixes in 6th ed, now have a considerable improvement in that area

Dark Eldar are massively improved.

I think that Necrons have benefited the most from the new rules, but then Space Marines are also doing well. Eldar took nerfs and buffs, and are still a top codex but are less "improved" more "still good". I also believe that Tyranids are doing better under the new rules, thanks to the FMC buff (seriously, who is calling this a nerf still?) and the maelstrom missions which hurt gunlines.

Most improved: Necrons (now top tier), Space Marines (top tier), Daemons (top tier), Tyranids (now borderline top tier), Dark Eldar (1 build top tier with Eldar allies).

Most damaged: Tau

 skoffs wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
IThe change to Jink hurt some Skimmers (like Necrons)

... you think Necron skimmers were hurt by the update to jink??

Previously, any kind of movement granted them a 5+ cover save. Now they have to Snap Shot if they choose to Jink. Even though it's a 4+ save now, I don't see this being an improvement. Am I missing something?

 SarisKhan wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
IThe change to Jink hurt some Skimmers (like Necrons)

... you think Necron skimmers were hurt by the update to jink??

Previously, any kind of movement granted them a 5+ cover save. Now they have to Snap Shot if they choose to Jink. Even though it's a 4+ save now, I don't see this being an improvement. Am I missing something?

For most skimmers you are correct. However, you're forgetting tesla weapons. Every 6 to hit for Necrons means they gain 2 additional hits. The difference between snapshotting and not snapshotting is basically negligible. For a very slight difference in hits (less than 1 I recall) they gain better cover. It's a good deal for the Crons! I really hate the Tesla mechanic.

You can no longer buff units while they are in vehicles, even if the psycher is in the vehicle, right?

 kronk wrote:
You can no longer buff units while they are in vehicles, even if the psycher is in the vehicle, right?

Only witchfire powers from vehicles.

 jifel wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 SarisKhan wrote:
IThe change to Jink hurt some Skimmers (like Necrons)

... you think Necron skimmers were hurt by the update to jink??

Previously, any kind of movement granted them a 5+ cover save. Now they have to Snap Shot if they choose to Jink. Even though it's a 4+ save now, I don't see this being an improvement. Am I missing something?

For most skimmers you are correct. However, you're forgetting tesla weapons. Every 6 to hit for Necrons means they gain 2 additional hits. The difference between snapshotting and not snapshotting is basically negligible. For a very slight difference in hits (less than 1 I recall) they gain better cover. It's a good deal for the Crons! I really hate the Tesla mechanic.

Twin Linked Tesla.
Don't forget that part, it's important.

Basically, roll a D6 eight times.
As long as a single 6 comes up, that's three S7 hits.
(with a total of 12 S7 hits possible in the remote likelihood that you get four 6s)
All on a AV13 skimmer that has a 4+ jink save? (3+, if Night Fight *coughSOLARPULSEcough*)
Yeah, I dare say 'Cron vehicles are doing okay.
(the only other skimmer vehicle weapons that would be affected aren't even worth worrying about).

I'm not sure who has benefited the most, but it certainly seems like every army has gotten at least a little more effective in 7th.

I feel sisters of battle got a solid boost because of the BB update. Their AW helps them more then other non-psyker armies. Repentia squad can now assault after disembarking after barrowing an ally's assault vehicle. Exorcist still strong with s8 ap1 shots and small durability buff that all vehicles got.
With what looks like the return of MSU transport spam melta and flamers (for all that no escape vs open top) will do quite nicely. Still not top tier but still a solid boost.

I feel 7th really leveled out the armies, some got buffed, others nerfed, but due to some of the rule changes and escpecially how the new missions are played, armies are now finding ways to make lists that produce good results utilizing advantages in the new mission set ups.

Biggest boosts go to Orks, nids, SM, and DE.

Necrons and Daemons have always been top tier armies

I do not feel in anyway that Tyranids are buffed. If anything they are hurting pretty bad (just look at the BAO results). The changes to smash hurt them the most and the bland and recycled Codex does not help much in our list building.

Now since the new IA4 dropped not too long ago there have been some life saving units (Malanthropes, Dima) that have pulled Tyranids out from the brink.

The most improved armies unfortunately were armies that had already had great success in 6th and just carried over to 7th in a different form.

Necrons got chariot rules and still have a very viable flyer spam and wraith spam.

Eldars wave serpents just got better with Objective Secured troops and trandsports, powers became more in their favor.

Dark Eldar fast transports with flicker fields (no need to jink) poison destroys any of the high T creatures that have come about as of late

Grey Knights/Daemons can abuse powers with MSU

Most improved is dark angels, 4++ land raiders with re-roll pen is downright powerful. They went from one of the worst sm chapters to one of the better picks. Still tooany losers who think dwt armies ate the gak though. But as my gaming buddy always days "you can't balance against stupid".

 skoffs wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:
Although I think their Transcendent C`Tan got the smackdown layed on it pretty hard, so that might put them out of contention.

What smack down is this? I don't recall anything about the T-C'tan getting worse..

Destroyer weapons not being as generally amazing and "kill everything forever". At least that's what the Necron player in my LGS said. I've never gone up against one myself in either edition, so I can't comment from personal experience on this particular matter.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Destroyer weapons not being as generally amazing and "kill everything forever". At least that's what the Necron player in my LGS said. I've never gone up against one myself in either edition, so I can't comment from personal experience on this particular matter.

That actually improves his survivability
And he only has a single Destroyer-attack, which is a template so it ignores cover.

Trust me, as a Necron-player with three of those I am extremely happy with the D-nerf.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Destroyer weapons not being as generally amazing and "kill everything forever". At least that's what the Necron player in my LGS said.

Tell the Necron player in your LGS that he is a gakking n00b.
There's a reason this thing has been banned from certain tournaments.


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Actually, no, tell him he's absolutely right, and that he should continue not using it because it's utter garbage.
(if his complaint is that the unit is no longer an auto-win button, then he doesn't deserve to know the truth about it).

D weapons aren't as insanely good as they used to be, but they're still insanely good.

 Gray1378 wrote:
I do not feel in anyway that Tyranids are buffed. If anything they are hurting pretty bad (just look at the BAO results). The changes to smash hurt them the most and the bland and recycled Codex does not help much in our list building.

Now since the new IA4 dropped not too long ago there have been some life saving units (Malanthropes, Dima) that have pulled Tyranids out from the brink.

The most improved armies unfortunately were armies that had already had great success in 6th and just carried over to 7th in a different form.

Necrons got chariot rules and still have a very viable flyer spam and wraith spam.

Eldars wave serpents just got better with Objective Secured troops and trandsports, powers became more in their favor.

Dark Eldar fast transports with flicker fields (no need to jink) poison destroys any of the high T creatures that have come about as of late

Grey Knights/Daemons can abuse powers with MSU

Dark Eldar got a lot more than that.

Razorwings are amazing now. They are actually useful now!

The removed FAQ garbage on the dais and pain tokens is fantastic.

Reavers 3+ jink with no effect on bladevanes.

All vehicles more difficult to pop.

MSU in maelstrom is amazing.

Shared transports with Eldar.

Less likely for psykers to kill you as its harder to cast powers.


All in all fantastic!