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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 04:28:10
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Not sure how to make the title. This is what got me thinking, what is GW copying from PP or from other companies now in their minis? To me Santa Grimnar is just a plain rip off on Lilith Claus. Mind you I can be wrong and this could have been in SW fluff since Rouge Trader but I never herd of a SW riding a Sled or grav chariot.
I don't know if it was coincidence, but it seems once Privateer Press starting releasing Gargantuans or was it Collosals, GW started releasing bigger and bigger kits. Is this another copy from GW? I don't ever recalling GW releasing this many large minis before. I recall Forge World doing it, but never GW. Funny GW does it now after PP has done it.
So I am curious, what else is GW doing in 40K that only started after other companies doing it? What else is GW copying that other game companies do in 40K? I was about to say GW doesn't do any unit cards, but it seems they are copying them in using cards for missions now, so I guess that is another copy, having cards into 40K.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 04:30:15
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Pictures? I have not seen this grim santa or women claus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 04:36:36
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/08/02 04:37:34
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 04:39:07
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Nah not really seeing much of a copy sorry. Seeing 2 very different chariots. GW has other chariots too as well etc.
Any other examples?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 04:42:08
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Really not seeing a copy there, it's to much of a stretch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 05:06:48
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Fixture of Dakka
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GW never released a sled character before. Another company has and they done it. Now GW releases one. Sled, and two creatures pulling it. Don't see the same? or just making fun at me?
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 05:23:53
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Well, I believe GW's 'other' game Warhammer Fantasy got to have some sled type model. like the High Elf White lions? I don't think anyone is making fun of you Davor. Its just there are way too many chariots models in existant.
The only opinion I want to point out is that the PP model seems more plausible in its fantasy setting.
Where in 40K when your army has warships, tanks, flyers, bikes, anti gravity skimmers. It seems counter productive to make a hover platform pulled by 2 wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 10:42:10
Subject: Re:Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Been Around the Block
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Wasn't there Unbound in Warmahordes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 11:17:56
Subject: Re:Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Yep.
You bring your whole collection and get special, very strong rules for certain unit formations...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 11:21:19
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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That's a bit far stretched..
Also, Rogue Trader*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 11:37:22
Subject: Re:Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Also its a chariot type of model, Chariots are a prevalent in history and mythology. Sled or no sled its a bit hard to try to claim that the idea of a chariot sled is PP's only i'd wager.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 11:59:25
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Lylyth and her sleigh actually looks pretty good so nah, not seeing much of a copy sorry ; p I need to stay out of wolf threads now, that "chariot" makes me ill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 16:16:53
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Davor wrote:GW never released a sled character before. Another company has and they done it. Now GW releases one. Sled, and two creatures pulling it. Don't see the same? or just making fun at me? 
Tell me that these two models don't look like sleds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 16:30:11
Subject: Re:Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Fixture of Dakka
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TychoTerziev wrote:Wasn't there Unbound in Warmahordes? No idea. You mean GW is actually using other companies game mechanics now? I thought GW was original here. wufai wrote:Well, I believe GW's 'other' game Warhammer Fantasy got to have some sled type model. like the High Elf White lions? I don't think anyone is making fun of you Davor. Its just there are way too many chariots models in existant. The only opinion I want to point out is that the PP model seems more plausible in its fantasy setting. Where in 40K when your army has warships, tanks, flyers, bikes, anti gravity skimmers. It seems counter productive to make a hover platform pulled by 2 wolves. That is what I mean. If there are so many chariots in existant, how come GW never done it for 40K before? You are correct, with warships, tanks, flyers, bikes etc etc, why now make a hover platform pulled by 2 wolves? I can see a hover platform, that would fit the sci fi setting, but being pulled by wolves? thenoobbomb wrote:That's a bit far stretched.. Also, Rogue Trader*  What about Rogue Trader? I have the book beside me now. Was it in there, what page, how come they didn't do it before? It seems GW is looking at what PP is doing and if it sells, then they try it as well. I am sure if PP didn't do it, and saw that it sold lots of minis, GW wouldn't have made it. flukezor wrote:Also its a chariot type of model, Chariots are a prevalent in history and mythology. Sled or no sled its a bit hard to try to claim that the idea of a chariot sled is PP's only i'd wager. Again, as above. GW saw those minis sold and decided to do it. Wilytank wrote: Tell me that these two models don't look like sleds. Those are really nice. Those are original. They don't look like sleighs to me at all. The SW mini doesn't look original. I know the chariot one with the deamons is original as well, but as I said already the SW version, just looks like a rip off. I could be wrong, but isn't that why we all have different opinions? I just thought GW could have been more creative with the Rrimnar on hover sleigh.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 16:30:58
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Not seeing it. What I am seeing is someone looking for a reason to be offended.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 16:32:45
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Dakka Veteran
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GW might be trying to pull more from Norse mythology instead of the wolfy crap. There's a myth of Thor riding into battle on a chariot pulled by two wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 16:49:03
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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I don't see many similarities between those chariots/sleds myself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/03 04:05:09
Subject: Re:Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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If you're going to call a flying chariot a sled, then you might as well call regular chariots 'sleds', and then PP is ripping GW off, since GW made chariots decades ago. GW has produced wolf chariots since before PP existed.
Is the hovering chariot supposed to be more like a sled than a wheeled chariot?
Is it the snow basing that makes it seem like a ripoff?
I don't get it. GW has a long history of models fighting from Chariots. It's very recent for 40K, but in their fantasy line, it's pretty well established.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 02:39:52
Subject: Re:Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Fixture of Dakka
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At least the chariot ridden by Lilith doesn't automatically make me cringe as a 20-year 40K veteran.
They invent a reason for a Wolf Lord to ride a hover-Chariot, but have never replaced the awesome Eldar special character from 3rd edition (Nuadhu Fireheart) who was essentially an Autarch on a Vyper-based chariot. In an army where a grav-chariot makes COMPLETE SENSE, rather an in armies who can barely reproduce certain styles of firearm.
Hell, I thknk one of the coolest things that got dropped between 2nd and 3rd was the ability for a Farseer to have a Vyper-based fighting platform.
Wolf Chariots are for Gobbos, not Space Vikings. Those get bikes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 02:51:11
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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What happened to Space Wolves "Fighting with their feet firmly on the ground as Russ intended" ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 02:58:22
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Davor wrote:GW never released a sled character before. Another company has and they done it. Now GW releases one. Sled, and two creatures pulling it. Don't see the same? or just making fun at me? 
You are missing a key point there... the thing GW released isn't a sled.
I'm sorry but no, they look nothing alike. Logan Claus isn't even a sled. It's the bow section of a hovering long boat.
The only similar thing about Logan Claus and the PP model is they are both pulled by 2 critters and are both mounted on a snow base.
They are not alike in concept nor looks.
It's basically this thing... but pulled by Wolves...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 03:15:30
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Random Dude wrote:What happened to Space Wolves "Fighting with their feet firmly on the ground as Russ intended" ?
When has Russ ever actually said all Space Wolves should fight with feet on the ground? Never. How dare you assume what Russ intended! Take off all your wolf pelts and replace them with paper like all the wuss chapters have on their armor, you closet dark angel!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 03:21:27
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Wilytank wrote: Random Dude wrote:What happened to Space Wolves "Fighting with their feet firmly on the ground as Russ intended" ?
When has Russ ever actually said all Space Wolves should fight with feet on the ground? Never. How dare you assume what Russ intended! Take off all your wolf pelts and replace them with paper like all the wuss chapters have on their armor, you closet dark angel!
I was quoting the 5th ed. codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 03:24:08
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Random Dude wrote: Wilytank wrote: Random Dude wrote:What happened to Space Wolves "Fighting with their feet firmly on the ground as Russ intended" ?
When has Russ ever actually said all Space Wolves should fight with feet on the ground? Never. How dare you assume what Russ intended! Take off all your wolf pelts and replace them with paper like all the wuss chapters have on their armor, you closet dark angel!
I was quoting the 5th ed. codex.
Whoever wrote that in there is a closet dark angel who deserves to be locked in a portable toilet and set on fire for vandalizing the SW codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 03:27:10
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Wilytank wrote: Random Dude wrote: Wilytank wrote: Random Dude wrote:What happened to Space Wolves "Fighting with their feet firmly on the ground as Russ intended" ?
When has Russ ever actually said all Space Wolves should fight with feet on the ground? Never. How dare you assume what Russ intended! Take off all your wolf pelts and replace them with paper like all the wuss chapters have on their armor, you closet dark angel!
I was quoting the 5th ed. codex.
Whoever wrote that in there is a closet dark angel who deserves to be locked in a portable toilet and set on fire for vandalizing the SW codex.
Phil Kelly is a closet Dark Angel?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 03:28:43
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Random Dude wrote: Wilytank wrote: Random Dude wrote: Wilytank wrote: Random Dude wrote:What happened to Space Wolves "Fighting with their feet firmly on the ground as Russ intended" ?
When has Russ ever actually said all Space Wolves should fight with feet on the ground? Never. How dare you assume what Russ intended! Take off all your wolf pelts and replace them with paper like all the wuss chapters have on their armor, you closet dark angel!
I was quoting the 5th ed. codex.
Whoever wrote that in there is a closet dark angel who deserves to be locked in a portable toilet and set on fire for vandalizing the SW codex.
Phil Kelly is a closet Dark Angel?
That's what the evidence is pointing to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 04:30:52
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Random Dude wrote:GW might be trying to pull more from Norse mythology instead of the wolfy crap. There's a myth of Thor riding into battle on a chariot pulled by two wolves.
He was pulled by two rams, Tanngnjóstr and Tanngrisnir. The two wolves (Freki and Geri) were Odin's.
And big deal that the sled looks similar to a sled from another IP. The concept of a chariot isn't new or unique. If you ask two people to design a chariot, there's a good chance they are going to look pretty similar. You are just reaching for straws now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 05:52:12
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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No no everyone, he's right. It's a blatant IP breach. I mean, where else would GW get the idea of a ridden carriage pulled by unusual steeds? It's not like PP ripped off Santa Clause and his sleigh pulled by reindeer.. oh wait...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 06:11:08
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scuzz_bucket wrote:No no everyone, he's right. It's a blatant IP breach. I mean, where else would GW get the idea of a ridden carriage pulled by unusual steeds? It's not like PP ripped off Santa Clause and his sleigh pulled by reindeer.. oh wait...
Who owns the Santa Clause IP?
Also, the amount of hostility in this thread is crazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/04 06:21:59
Subject: Santa Grimnar or Lilitlh Clause?
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Sim-Life wrote: scuzz_bucket wrote:No no everyone, he's right. It's a blatant IP breach. I mean, where else would GW get the idea of a ridden carriage pulled by unusual steeds? It's not like PP ripped off Santa Clause and his sleigh pulled by reindeer.. oh wait...
Who owns the Santa Clause IP?
Also, the amount of hostility in this thread is crazy.
There is no Santa IP, they I was referring to his accusation on GW breaching PP. If any ripoff took place, PP ripped off the non-trademarked image of Santa. The application of common sense would have made all that clear without me having to explain it.
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