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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 10:52:00
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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To be honest I think they are atrocious i have always looked for a cheaper deal, what is the big deal anyway? a few years ago they made more models in a box for a cheaper price but now it looks like we are paying for the boxes artwork too
whats your opinion on this issue?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 10:57:31
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Oberstleutnant
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There's a thread in dakka discussions, what do you think GW prices should be? that might be the discussion you're tlooking for.
Yes GW prices are ridiculous, especially down under which is why many of us buy in china now, if we buy GW at all which is becoming increasingly rare in my experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 11:07:05
Subject: Re:Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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I live in Australia so.. lolNOPE.
Quick comparison from my point of view:
This from GW costs basically as much as this from Creature Caster.
There is a huge difference in quality of sculpt, aesthetics (arguable but c'mon, the GW one is like 15 years old at this point), quality of the material used and the Creature Caster one is significantly bigger.
Then there is this:
The GW on the far right is available with another Bilbo model for $55 in finecast. The one on the far left is Knight Models, their Gandalf and Bilbo together are under $30 AUD for the pair of them, they are larger models (32mm) and they are metal. On top of that they are, imo, far superior sculpts.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 11:26:06
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They are out of proportion and have no realistic justification.
That being said, after switching back to 4th and selling my GA and AB at a ridiculously good price, I don't care anymore ;D
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 12:44:16
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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As an adult with a decent income who has been into 40k for about 15 years, I don't think it's too bad. At least not for me personally. I buy anything I want, whenever I want, and all told, my annual 40k-related expenses aren't that high considering it's a hobby that takes a lot of my time.
There are a few issues, though, with GW's prices. Two of them affect me (or, more accurately GW's revenue from me).
The first of those is the lack of product in the 'impulse purchase' price range. I used to pick up random blister packs all the time, because they were cheap and available.
The second issue is the absurd prices on some of their products. Like the Flash Gitz. Despite what I wrote in my first paragraph, absurdly over-priced kits just makes me not want to get it.
Third real issue with GW prices is entry cost. Not an issue for me, but go to their website and add the absolute minimum you need to start a, say, Tau army: battle force, rules, codex, hobby starter kit. It's not cheap.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 13:21:16
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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Entry cost AND that they have competition putting out very similar quality products at much better prices (usually on par with GW quality and significantly cheaper or 75% of the wuality for 33% of the price).
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 13:28:44
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Cosmic Joe
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Short answer: No.
Long answer: Noooooooooooo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 14:07:07
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 14:15:14
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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I do not find them acceptable.
I have gone from buying every codex release, when they were soft-cover $30, to not buying any.
I have gone from buying the hardcover rulebooks as they were released to not buying any.
I have gone from dabbling in new armies by buying a model here and there, to only buying one box of Ork boyz in 3 years.
I am considering whether to buy a knight, just to round out my forces and then call it quits for good - but $170 is pretty hard to swallow, even if it is your only purchase in a long time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 14:47:06
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well I think it depends. Most of the troop squads are okay, £23 for 10 Imperial Guard cadians or space marines seems okay to me. It would take me a couple of weeks to pain them up at the rate that I paint, so to me that's good value for money.
But a lot of things do seem very expensive for what you get. £32 for a Leman Russ just seems...a lot. Yes it's a good kit and I like the model, but that just seems like a lot of money. And £45 for a Land Raider...wow. Most of the vehicles seem very expensive, I really wanted to buy a Baneblade at £65 but at £80 you're having a laugh. The sum total of this is that yes, I am grudgingly wiling to pay a high price for things for my main army (usually bought through a discounter), but it really puts me off collecting a second army.
However I do think the codexes are decent, certainly I think they're much better value for money than the old softbacks, even if they do cost more. Also the battleforces can be very good value, though they are not always useful. ymmv in this regard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 18:56:17
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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No, I don't think they're acceptable.
- The cost of the rulebooks is just mind-boggling - especially given the quality of their rules at the moment. Also, remember when newer books came with *more* content - rather than removing units and then charging you to get them back?
I've heard things made of them being hardback and using better paper quality... but I just don't care. I never remember saying to myself back in 5th "hmm, if only this codex was heavier and about 50% more expensive." or "If only this paper was higher quality - so that I could lovingly rub my face against it during my opponent's turn. Then my life would be complete." Or, for that matter, back in 4th "if only the layout was much more of a pain to read." So, thank you GW for giving me exactly what I didn't ask for and charging me considerably more for it.
- Moving on, though relating to the above, this game has one of the worst start-up costs you're likely to see. Well, first you'll need the core rules, so that's a mere £50, then you'll need your army's rules - another £30. So, that's £80 and you haven't even bought a single model. And, God help you if you 'd like to play one of the armies that needs a supplement - because then you're breaking the £100 mark and you *still* haven't got one model to show for it (because £30 for about 2 pages of rules is perfectly reasonable, right?).
So, then we'll buy one of the battleforces - bringing us up to somewhere between £150 and £200 (possibly even more for some races).
Also, did you pick Dark Angles, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Necrons, Tau or Tyranids? Whoops, looks like you'll be spending more money because otherwise your army doesn't have an HQ. So, that's another £10-15 to make your army legal (no, I don't consider Unbound a good way to start the game). So, that's most of the cheaper armies up to about £165.
If you're trying to attract new players, that's an appalling amount of money to expect them to spend. And, it's not any better for existing players who want to start a new army - since getting it up to any reasonable point level is going to cost about £200-300 more (depending on army/unit selections).
I just can't see this as a reasonable price.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:01:59
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Nope.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:06:20
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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Honestly GW should chop 10% off everything atm. Pricing scheme for their molds should go somthing like this:
Cost for new mold = XXX
Cost for Plastic = PPP
Cost for sculpter = SSS (note, this is not salary based, its what you pay for the hours it took him to make the sculpt)
You take XXX + SSS and then figure out estimated sales over the next 18 months. You put a base price which would recoup the cost of this total over the following 18 months. We'll call this EEE.
You then add EEE and PPP together and then add your profit markup (in this case 30-38% for the Lamborghini of the models world).
This way you can sell to retailers for 25% off and still make profit while also not having to worry about shipping charges and overhead.
If you were doing a direct sales approach (i.e. not discounting retailers) you would only charge 25% profit margin increase because more than that is just greed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:08:39
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Not even slightly.
GW prices are jump-up-and-slap-your-grandma insane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:08:43
Subject: Re:Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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I buy all my GW stuff from eBay now. The only things I will buy direct from GW are paints and maybe brushes but I'm thinking of looking elsewhere for these as the quality is not up to par anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:11:48
Subject: Re:Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Actually, one more thing, there are just so many units where either the cost isn't worth it or they're far too expensive for their FoC slot.
e.g. If I want a Necron army based around immortals, I have to pay over £100 just for 20 of the sodding things.
Sorry, but no way are immortals worth £5 each.
In fact, I think they're even more expensive than the *metal* sisters of battle squads.
And then, we have models from sculpts designed by 3-year-olds, which are nevertheless shunted into finecast at full price:
£30
£15.50
Anyone want to use the excuse that GW makes the nicest-looking models? There's still time...
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:27:24
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Personally I find most GW prices just fine.
A few are a bit high, especially the Lord of the Rings range. But compared to other hobbies like computer gaming, action figures or collectable miniatures I don't see GW as that bad at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:36:47
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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I've stopped buying GW products of late. I just can't justify them.
The increase in the cost of this game compared to what it was just a couple of editions ago is all out of whack, and has increased dramatically more than the rate of inflation, making it more expensive in every sense.
When the Baneblade came out in 2007 it was $90. I own four. I really wanted to pick up an Imperial Knight when they came out late last year. At $90 I'd have bought two. At $140 I've chosen to buy zero.
With the new Tempestus Scions costing as much as Forgeworld Death Korps Grenadiers, that solidly put an end to further purchases for the foreseeable future.
My firearms hobby is cheaper to sustain...
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:38:54
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Not even remotely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:40:06
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Majority do, otherwise they wouldn't make money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 22:04:24
Subject: Do you think GW prices are acceptable?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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Ugavine wrote:Personally I find most GW prices just fine.
A few are a bit high, especially the Lord of the Rings range. But compared to other hobbies like computer gaming, action figures or collectable miniatures I don't see GW as that bad at all.
I'd like to refer you to my post at the top of the page. Saying GW is cheaper than boating and collecting classic cars is a terrible comparison because GW is not a hobby, it is part of a hobby.
GW has, objectively, the worst value for money of any noteworthy company in the tabletop wargaming hobby. Sure it can compare favourably to other hobbies but what you don't compare one company in a hobby to a whole hobby, companies to companies and hobbies to hobbies. Automatically Appended Next Post: so then what does it say that their profits fell 42% last year?
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 22:09:51
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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jonolikespie wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
so then what does it say that their profits fell 42% last year?
They had their second best year ever?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 22:24:29
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Wraith
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Price? Fine. Value? Nope. Every box should be a complete representation of the unit that's in the book. Weapon size and unit size. Keep that at the costs now and suddenly $50 for a 10 man terminator squad doesn't seem crazy.
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 22:44:34
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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I'm on my phone so I'm not going to bother trying to find them but I'm sure there are charts around showing that is blatantly untrue. As well I'd direct you to either the thread here or in Dakka Discussions about the current financial health of GW, if you want me to save you the time though GW has a 71% chance of going bankrupt in the next 2 years according to Google analytics.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 22:49:29
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TheKbob wrote:Price? Fine. Value? Nope. Every box should be a complete representation of the unit that's in the book. Weapon size and unit size. Keep that at the costs now and suddenly $50 for a 10 man terminator squad doesn't seem crazy.
you mean they should give us eneugh parts of ALL variants? I agree. it's annoying when you can't build a 4 lascanon devestator squad out of the box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 22:50:45
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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absolutely not. my monthly miniatures budget is rarely enough to get anything from GW. if i need it, i go to ebay where i can afford it. i GW dropped their prices a bit, they'd get more of my money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 23:04:43
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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I think GW's biggest problem with it's prices aren't the people posting here, it's the people who might one day post here.
their busniess model is reliant on a base customer group yes, but also a steady "churn" with such a high intro price that churn is going to be risky.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 23:12:29
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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Ascalam wrote:Not even slightly.
GW prices are jump-up-and-slap-your-grandma insane.
You know, Ascalam, every time I looked in the "what are you doing today" thread, you were always only doing GW stuff. Then it seemed overnight you did a serious double take and now find GW wicked expensive. GW should seriously be worried when a big fan such as yourself decides they've had enough.
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 23:23:38
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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They did, huh?
Revenue:
2014: 123.5m
2013: 134.6m
2012: 131.0m
2010: 126.5m
2009: 125.7m
2005: 136.6m
2004: 151.8m
2003: 129.1m
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 23:28:07
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Regular Dakkanaut
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ebay or something similar for me now. you can get new models still in box for prices from 2 years ago.
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Nightlords 2,750 Points
Tzeentch Daemons 2250 Points
Nurgle Daemons 1750 Points
Death Guard 2250 Points
Thousand Sons 1750 Points |
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