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 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

As to the op, I feel they fit perfectly because as others said, the War in Heaven was one of the most significant events to happen in the galaxy.

I disagree with the fluff being generic as well.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

You just recited the hoax fluff - which is fine, if you like it, but this ain't the real fluff. As stated above, this is the Empire of Man's made-up version of the fluff to fool their naive citizens and calm them, well-knowing they do not stand a chance against a full-fledged Necron force, fully awakened and with support by corporeal gods, the C'tan, with powers beyond imagination. Facing so many enemies at once, the empire being stretched out beyond hope and with their leader being no more than a rotting corpse, hope is all that mere mortals still have. But in the end, even this small flame of hope will be swallowed by The Nightbringer, his brothers and his fellow minions, the Necrons.

Believe in the lies spread by the Empire of Men, let them calm your fears, but be aware that the realization of truth will cut deeply. Not as deep as The Nightbringer's scythe, though, tearing Terra and the rest of the universe apart, while the Void Dragon breaks free, The Deceiver fooling whatever resistence there might still be and The Outsider releasing his madness in a burst of destruction.

All life will die at the hand of the C'tan and the Necrons. Death will triumph a last time before the curtains close. Forever.

I like the old killing machine fluff over the new political savvy 'crons.

 Sillycybin wrote:

Even Goku dies.

this is the best post

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

You just recited the hoax fluff - which is fine, if you like it, but this ain't the real fluff. As stated above, this is the Empire of Man's made-up version of the fluff to fool their naive citizens and calm them, well-knowing they do not stand a chance against a full-fledged Necron force, fully awakened and with support by corporeal gods, the C'tan, with powers beyond imagination. Facing so many enemies at once, the empire being stretched out beyond hope and with their leader being no more than a rotting corpse, hope is all that mere mortals still have. But in the end, even this small flame of hope will be swallowed by The Nightbringer, his brothers and his fellow minions, the Necrons.

Believe in the lies spread by the Empire of Men, let them calm your fears, but be aware that the realization of truth will cut deeply. Not as deep as The Nightbringer's scythe, though, tearing Terra and the rest of the universe apart, while the Void Dragon breaks free, The Deceiver fooling whatever resistence there might still be and The Outsider releasing his madness in a burst of destruction.

All life will die at the hand of the C'tan and the Necrons. Death will triumph a last time before the curtains close. Forever.

I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

There is no source for his claim. He's just butthurt about the new 'Cron Dex that dared to make the Necrons something more than metal Tyranids.

Didn't think so

Although Oldcrons being the unknowable evil was more to my liking. Especially where they were turning humans into Pariahs to fight the warp.

Too much exposition can cheapen things.

I guess I am lucky. My son started Necrons and I bought Necrons for him when they got their 5th edition codex. I like it a lot. I like the new history for Necrons.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

As to the op, I feel they fit perfectly because as others said, the War in Heaven was one of the most significant events to happen in the galaxy.

I disagree with the fluff being generic as well.

*sheds a tear* Twas beautifully explained.


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Kangodo wrote:
Necrons are so bad-ass?

I was just reading a piece of Damnos-fluff.
Apparently Ultramarines don't get distracted by a T C'tan, one-hit an Overlord and then they do a backflip while throwing a Vortex-grenade to the C'tan.. Without getting a scratch!

If you want to talk about forced, annoying and totally unbelievable bad-ass stuff you might want to focus that range on Space Marines and especially Ultramarines

Yeah, screw Ultramarines.

I like the necrons. Kinda wish I would have made them my main army instead of Chaos Marines. Maybe I need to army swap someone.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

Our rightful leader "The Silent King" wants to have a word with you

I think this Sigvatr dude might have delved a bit too much into the hobby...
And possibly needs medications x_X

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

I have tried to type an appropriate response to this three times now. And deleted them simply because not only do I have no idea what you are talking about, but I strongly suspect you don't either

Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Necrons are plenty grimdark. Tau, on the other hand...

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

I have tried to type an appropriate response to this three times now.

Let the wisdom of the C'tan help you on your search for an answer:

"While knowing that this is not the truth about the Necrons and the C'Tan, I prefer this version as living with a splinter of hope is preferable to living with the truth and knowing that all hope is long gone and all struggles against the Necrons and their masters is nothing but the very same thing the Empire of Mankind has done for a long time: praying to a dead corpse, hoping for salvation, wilfully blinding themselves with a fiery stick of ignorance...knowing the truth will burn even more painful in the end. But it is the life I chose to live. How I live my life is my choice, how all life ends no longer is and it has not been for a long time. For the Old Ones failed and doomed all existence in the universe after having lost to the C'tan."

It truly is a dire hope mankind follows and I can fully understand people trying to make up ridiculous stories in order to calm themselves and others. If you accept the truth, you would have to accept that everything mankind has ever done was in vain. Everything the Elder ever did was in vain. Everything everything ever did was pointless. The Old Ones did not only lose their life, they doomed the entire universe. The Eldar have already realized the sad truth and acknowledged that the universe will fall to the C'tan, as acknowledged in the lore part of Codex: Necrons. They saw the visions of everything dying. That is why the Eldar are far superior to Men: they know that everything they do is in vain. They know that they will fail - and fall. They fight at their very best, against an enemy they cannot defeat, in a fight they cannot win. Yet the Eldar do not have to deceive themselves and the mind of others with vicious lies - like fairy tales you would tell to little children. The Eldar face the truth. They accept it. And they still fight. That is true courage. Believing in false stories is cowardice. Choose your side!

Agentwise wrote:
Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Pretty sure there is no canon therefore what I say goes (for me).

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

I have tried to type an appropriate response to this three times now. And deleted them simply because not only do I have no idea what you are talking about, but I strongly suspect you don't either

Translation.

Newcron fluff is gak. Oldcron fluff is great. Track don the old codex and read how good and damn unnerving they once were before they got.... Warded.

Seriously, the Adept Corteswain story is one of the best fluff pieces out there and brings a truly horrifying revelation that the Imperium is hiding from its citizens.

Personally I feel indifferent to both versions of fluff, I like them both in their own ways..

Plus as a Chaos player it doesn't matter if you were this Mysterious horror or a conquer of your own gods... Chaos wins the great game anyway and your all pawns in the great game

Also I think I need to point out a few thing on why the Necrons are a much "what if" scenario..

A) They are just starting to wake up in the setting, and because of that they are already too slow to take back their Empire..

B) They are now diverse Even if they do wake up all at once they wont band together for a single purpose now as there is too much rivalry and political differences between the dynasties..

Hence why they are 2nd of 3rd as part of the "End Game" races..

I just completely ignore the Newcron Fluff in my games, and field my old all-metal Necron army (nearly) unchanged as the Necrons with the virus. Never had use for a C'Tan model anyway.

 jasper76 wrote:
Necrons are plenty grimdark. Tau, on the other hand...

Yes, tau are slightly less grimdark.

And they make the whole 40kverse much more dark as a result, as they show that its techincally possible to try to be a decent guy, but none of the big players has any intention to.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Necrons are plenty grimdark. Tau, on the other hand...

Yes, tau are slightly less grimdark.

And they make the whole 40kverse much more dark as a result, as they show that its techincally possible to try to be a decent guy, but none of the big players has any intention to.

I can dig it.

Personally, I think that Necrons fit the overall visual aesthetic of 40k and their general character does as well. Metal, angry, death, killing machines. Sounds pretty 40k to me. Also as many have noted in the past, they fulfill dual roles of
-Adding Terminators to 40k in GW's long standing tradition of apropriating other IP ideas into their own universes

-Being the "In Space" analog for WHFB undead.

As to their full fluff, I'm a bit skeptical as it seems like each time they got a new codex they were a more and more important part of the 40k origins. I recall when they were first introduced and since then their development always felt a bit forced to me. Though not more outlandish than other elements of 40k background.

Still, they certainly fit the overall look of 40k better than Tau. I actually like the tau quite a bit on their own merits. IMHO, however, once GW found a way to work slick anime robots into the grimdark dirty world of 40k, anything was possible and there was no longer a unified 40k aesthetic.

This thread should be purged for insolence!

Why not? Yes they look like terminators (from the movie)

But most races are kinda copied and pasted.

orks>orcs from lotr

eldar> elves

daemons> demons

The point is they make up really cool lore to fit each race and make them (almost) unique.

SO NECRONS FIT

NOW on the subject of old lore yes they made some drastic changes to the lore of the necrons but you go beef with matt ward idc I think the lore is fresh and gives more character to the race then "space robot slaves who kill everything"

If all the Necrons woke up it wouldn't matter. They are now to fractious to be the all consuming threat. Every Necron faction has different agendas and may or may not work together.

Look at the one where all the engrams were wiped out and the core computer took control and is now doing the same thing to every other Necron it comes across. Even other Necrons will fight him if they come across him.

I've never owned Necrons and i've only played against them twice and read the basics of their fiction but they seem to hold the role of 'unstoppable bad guy force' . Unfortunately for them the much more popular Tyranids and Orks already fill this role and have much more of a presence in the universe meaning Necrons are forgotten about.

I like Necrons and I think Vargard Obyron is one of the coolest characters in 40k but they need some more fiction.

It seems like whenever anything bad happens its most likely to be Chaos and if not it'll be 'nids, then Orcs, then demons, then Dark Eldar THEN the lowest priority are Necrons. They need to give them something to do so they have a chance to fit.

Omnicidal Egyptian robots? how is that at all 'less fitting' than any of the other vicious stereotypes that represent the core concept to just about every other codex?

I think necrons fit just fine, the 40k verse needs evil mysterious technology not based on the warp and chaos in general.

Taffy17 wrote:
I've never owned Necrons and i've only played against them twice and read the basics of their fiction but they seem to hold the role of 'unstoppable bad guy force' . Unfortunately for them the much more popular Tyranids and Orks already fill this role and have much more of a presence in the universe meaning Necrons are forgotten about.

This is awesome for the Necrons. They might be mindless and nigh-immortal killer robots, but by destroying a Tomb World, you can effectively take them out. If the Empire of Men would be smart, they would realize that they are a giant threat and Necrons might be in trouble. But since they aren't, the only ones who know are the Eldar and their forces are extremely limited, posing no threat to the Necrons and the C'tan.

Surprise, the Empire that is focused on praying to a rotten corpse isn't smart