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I was flipping through the White Dwarf with the Looted Wagon. What are people's thoughts on it from a tactical perspective?

It seems to be on par cost wise with Mek guns with the bonus of not being able to be pinned but at shorter range and bs 2 instead of 3.

Thoughts?

On paper it seems magnificent. A 24" s7 ap3 large blast on a rhino for less than 70 points.

In practice they are more difficult to use. Because of the short range and low armour, you need to find a way to stay safe turn one, and turn two you close that gap as soon as you can so you can pie plate the heck out of the other guy.

A personal favourite tactic of mine is to load up a min sized grot squad in the wagon, and once Im in position to shoot, I jump the grots out in front to form a protective wall in front of it, giving it a sweet sweet 5+ cover save.

Also, always take the ram. Even if your main cannon gets disabled, you can still ram tanks for S8 (hilariously more reliable than the main gun). And the reroll dangerous is priceless.

It SUCKS!

They used to have a big gun (forgot what it was called) 36" S8 AP3 with large blast. Now with just kilakannon as a option they are worthless and not worth taking.

I was bummed

But i like the idea of those grots being a wall considering "Dont press dat"

 zombiekila707 wrote:
It SUCKS!

They used to have a big gun (forgot what it was called) 36" S8 AP3 with large blast. Now with just kilakannon as a option they are worthless and not worth taking.

I was bummed

But i like the idea of those grots being a wall considering "Dont press dat"

pretty sure they were S7 previous ed, it was just a poor WD in which they were written as S8. but yeh still not fantastic.

Although I always give all my trukks and BWs the magnets to become a looted wagon (as I convert most my stuff anyway), so in the future I think il try a pie plate force just for hilarity

Solar Shock wrote:

 zombiekila707 wrote:
It SUCKS!

They used to have a big gun (forgot what it was called) 36" S8 AP3 with large blast. Now with just kilakannon as a option they are worthless and not worth taking.

I was bummed

But i like the idea of those grots being a wall considering "Dont press dat"

pretty sure they were S7 previous ed, it was just a poor WD in which they were written as S8. but yeh still not fantastic.

They had the Boom Gun previously instead of the Kill Kannon, which was indeed 36" S8 AP3

The new one however is tons cheaper

Bear in mind a bs2 vengence weapon battery with battle cannon is 85pts... and that is av14 all round. You can take 2. AND they don't take up a valuable HS slot (have I got that right - have the dex but not the WD?).
Also converting a vengence weapon battery so it is 'orkified' I would imagine is most ork players wet dream. The bs2 fits with the fluff too.
Why wouldn't you go for a VWB over a looted truck?

Yeah the Looted Wagon was only marginally successful when it was 36" s8 ap3. now that its 24" s7 it is pretty useless.

However, it can still be useful as a transport since it's armor is one better than a trukk and it can add quite a few weapon options.

But seriously, I am thinking about playing my Looted Manticore as a Mek Gun from here forward.

If you really love the look of the looted wagon, build one but just play it as a big trakk from the forgeworld website (the rules are free now) You'll never look back. With a supa kannon it's a range 60" S9 AP3 ORD pie plate, AV12 front vehicle. Its everything the looted wagon should have been in the first place, for ~130 (same price as the old looted wagon + boomgun) points with ram ard case and two big shootas. AND none of that "don't press dat" BS

 Awesomesauce wrote:
If you really love the look of the looted wagon, build one but just play it as a big trakk from the forgeworld website (the rules are free now) You'll never look back. With a supa kannon it's a range 60" S9 AP3 ORD pie plate, AV12 front vehicle. Its everything the looted wagon should have been in the first place, for ~130 (same price as the old looted wagon + boomgun) points with ram ard case and two big shootas. AND none of that "don't press dat" BS

say whaaaaat?! How have I not known about this. This makes way more sense for a looted Manticore.

Once upon a time, I think it was. Not anymore though.

When you compare it to everything else you can get instead in the heavy support section, it struggles. As many people have said, it used to have a very nice Boomgun which DID give it a use. Unfortunately, for reasons I cannot imagine, they removed it.

It, unfortunately, does nothing better than anything else in the heavy support section of the codex:
-- Lootas bring the best s7 for points value in the book. And are successful anti-air.
-- Why use this as a transport when you have the battlewagon or the trukk?
-- If you want pie plates, either do the silly and stack a killakannon, a kannon/lobba and a bunch of rokkits to the battlewagon and roll around.
-- If you want sensible pie plates, take Kustom Mega-Kannons (instantly better with S8 AP2)

IF Games Workshop thought about it, Looted Wagons are THE best way at getting ork players to spend money on models they don't normally need. Outside of allies, no other army really has that claim. They SHOULD have made these things completely bonkers and have a rules dependant on what you looted. IF being the best word. Unfortunatly IMO Looted Wagons bring nothing special to the table. They're good if you want to waste points and a heavy support slot.

the issue isnt its stats, its the slot.

Heavy is way to contested for attention in our codex, and the job a killkannon wagon will be doing can be done by mek gunz. Yes, they cost a bit more for the job but they dont have the 1/6 chance to go VROOOOOOOM and not shoot that turn and face it AV11 in the middle of the board will die immediately against any army. Only reason trukks, rhinos, and other such low armor vehicles survive is because their threat is low - an S7 Ap3 pi plate kinda qualifies as a threat.
The mek gunz take quite a bit of attention to remove at a distance, and if they get removed up close either a deepstriker got them, outflanker found them, or youre losing already since they got by your wall of green lol.
If it wasnt a Heavy choice, you'd probably see it more often. Heavy slots are just too valuable to throw to such a squishy unit...kinda why i dont like lootas anymore since theyre too easy to remove.

 Icculus wrote:


say whaaaaat?! How have I not known about this. This makes way more sense for a looted Manticore.

Seriously! Dey is da best! Actually worth its points (though you still need to keep it protected) and I'm prreeetttttyyyyy sure you can take 1-3 in a squadron so you don't need to worry about the HS slot.

But besides, the way they designed the codex, we're meant to take multiple detachments, so with a double CAD you don't need to worry about the slot anyway

You still need to worry about a slot when you can easily fill six of them, which is exactly the case for the heavy support slot. walkers, battlewagons and lootaz eat slots fast, and you catch yourself thinking about a third detachment.

The looted wagon has pretty much become a side-grade to trukks, slightly increasing their survivability in trade for speed. In low point games you might consider them as cheap battlewagons to protect tank bustaz, flash gits or MANz, but I'd never consider putting a killkannon on them. That weapon is so bad, I see no point in sacrificing a slot for it.

Mek gunz are the way to go for long range blasts. If you want to put lots of wounds on MEQ, bring a blitza bommer, flash gits, tank bustaz, koptaz or buggies. Don't buy a faux demolisher.

I see no note of the big trukk that says its for a codex ork army, by how its written its dred mob army only.

You got zhadsnark in the same file listed as codex ork unit. so its not a "not written but obviously intended" even.

But grot tanks as elite and grot mega tanks as fast in a normal ork army is amazing!

 BoomWolf wrote:
I see no note of the big trukk that says its for a codex ork army, by how its written its dred mob army only.

You got zhadsnark in the same file listed as codex ork unit. so its not a "not written but obviously intended" even.

The original book says so, there is no reason to believe that changed.

 Jidmah wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
I see no note of the big trukk that says its for a codex ork army, by how its written its dred mob army only.

You got zhadsnark in the same file listed as codex ork unit. so its not a "not written but obviously intended" even.

The original book says so, there is no reason to believe that changed.

My bad, in my area, that stuff doesn't matter, an ork unit from FW is still an ork unit, so long as you're not taking it to tournament, so I didn't even think about that

You misread me. IA 8 explicitly says that big trakks can be taken in squadrons of 1-3 as heavy support choice in an Codex:Ork armies, which is actually more than the dread mob can, which doesn't allow squadrons.