Rwandan man accused of war crimes arrested illegally crossing into U.S.

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**Frazzled**

http://news.yahoo.com/rwandan-man-accused-war-crimes-arrested-crossing-u-143004525.html;_ylt=AwrBEiIFruNTEDAAMovQtDMD

Rwandan man accused of war crimes arrested crossing into U.S.
By By Dave Sherwood
BOWDOINHAM Maine (Reuters) - A Rwandan man accused of war crimes was arrested by the U.S. Border Patrol in northern Maine after a local citizen reported a "suspicious person" walking near the Canadian border, law enforcement officials said on Thursday.

Jean Leonard Teganya, 42, a Rwandan who authorities said had violated international law and the Canadian Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act, walked across the border into the United States illegally on Sunday when he was spotted, according to a statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security.

He was later detained and processed for removal from the United States, a spokeswoman said.

According to Canadian court documents, Teganya, an ethnic Hutu, and his family fled Rwanda during that country's civil war in 1994. He traveled first to Congo, then Kenya, and India, before finally entering Quebec to seek asylum.

Thousands of people fled Rwanda after the 1994 genocide in which 800,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed.

A Canadian immigration agency denied Teganya refugee status, saying he was complicit in the killing of 200 Tutsis at a hospital where he was a medical intern during the genocide.

Teganya, the son of a convicted war criminal in Rwanda serving a 22-year sentence, told a judge he could be detained and subject to torture and punishment if returned to Rwanda.

After multiple appeals, a Canadian court issued a warrant for Teganya's removal from Canada.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection said formal charges had yet to be filed and that a judge would ultimately determine whether Teganya would be returned to Rwanda, or Canada.

**jamesk1973**

Well...then

**Laemos**

Thanks Obama.

**Dreadclaw69**

"The United States; our border is so secure that suspected war criminals can cross at will"

**d-usa**

It's almost like he didn't get caught...

**Jihadin**

Catch Release

**Dreadclaw69**

d-usa wrote:
It's almost like he didn't get caught...

It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...

**Relapse**

It'd be interesting if the article said where he entered from. Northern Maine has a lot of places people can walk through the woods into this country, not just border checkpoints.
Google Earth from Fort Kent, Maine to Houlton, Maine and see what it looks like in that area.

**d-usa**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
It's almost like he didn't get caught...

It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...

Which he didn't, since he got caught.

**Dreadclaw69**

d-usa wrote:
Which he didn't, since he got caught.

"A Rwandan man accused of war crimes was arrested by the U.S. Border Patrol in northern Maine . . .walked across the border into the United States"
Pretty sure to be in northern Maine you need to be within the United States, and to have crossed the border.

**Kanluwen**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
It's almost like he didn't get caught...

It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...

If only there were 24/7 standing armies watching every inch of the border!

Then we'd be secure. Truly.

**d-usa**

The border is patrolled by fancy people called border patrol agents. Who patrol the border, while inside the US. You know, where Maine is? Those Border Patrol Agents arrested the man, so he got caught and didn't make it.

I know you guys want an electrified fence with turret guns and a giant moat filled with sharks who have lasers mounted on their heads.

But trying to turn a "guy tries to enter the states, was caught" story into a "this is a failure of the border system" is making you look pretty weak.

**Relapse**

I can tell you straight up if someone put up an electrified fence, the people living on the Maine side would most likely be the ones to tear it down. As far as the turret guns go, they'd be taken for the Moose hunt and the sharks would end up on a plaque over a fireplace.

**Dreadclaw69**

You disputed his crossing of the border;

d-usa wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...
Which he didn't, since he got caught.

The article stated clearly that he was within the United States when caught. You were wrong, don't try and strawman to deflect your way out of it because that is making you look pretty weak

**Kanluwen**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You disputed his crossing of the border;

d-usa wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...
Which he didn't, since he got caught.

The article stated clearly that he was within the United States when caught. You were wrong, don't try and strawman to deflect your way out of it because that is making you look pretty weak

You actually are in the wrong here, DC.

How precisely were agencies to prevent him from crossing the wide open expanses of border?

Please. Elaborate.

**Relapse**

As I said earlier, it can be pretty easy to walk across the border in a lot of places between Fort Kent and Houlton. People do it all the time going both ways there.

**d-usa**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You disputed his crossing of the border;

d-usa wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...
Which he didn't, since he got caught.

The article stated clearly that he was within the United States when caught. You were wrong, don't try and strawman to deflect your way out of it because that is making you look pretty weak

He was caught entering by the border patrol, hence be didn't successfully cross the border.
Sorry this is so complicated for you. If the local sheriff would have picked him up you would have had a point, but the system worked and he didn't make it.

**Relapse**

d-usa wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You disputed his crossing of the border;

d-usa wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
It's almost like he shouldn't have been able to cross the border...
Which he didn't, since he got caught.

The article stated clearly that he was within the United States when caught. You were wrong, don't try and strawman to deflect your way out of it because that is making you look pretty weak

He was caught entering by the border patrol, hence be didn't successfully cross the border.
Sorry this is so complicated for you. If the local sheriff would have picked him up you would have had a point, but the system worked and he didn't make it.

Most true. He should have gotten together with the people that smuggle cigarrettes and he might have made it!

**Ouze**

d-usa wrote:
I know you guys want an electrified fence with turret guns and a giant moat filled with sharks who have lasers mounted on their heads.

Christ, who doesn't.

**lliu**

Frazzled wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/rwandan-man-accused-war-crimes-arrested-crossing-u-143004525.html;_ylt=AwrBEiIFruNTEDAAMovQtDMD

Rwandan man accused of war crimes arrested crossing into U.S.
By By Dave Sherwood
BOWDOINHAM Maine (Reuters) - A Rwandan man accused of war crimes was arrested by the U.S. Border Patrol in northern Maine after a local citizen reported a "suspicious person" walking near the Canadian border, law enforcement officials said on Thursday.

Jean Leonard Teganya, 42, a Rwandan who authorities said had violated international law and the Canadian Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act, walked across the border into the United States illegally on Sunday when he was spotted, according to a statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security.

He was later detained and processed for removal from the United States, a spokeswoman said.

According to Canadian court documents, Teganya, an ethnic Hutu, and his family fled Rwanda during that country's civil war in 1994. He traveled first to Congo, then Kenya, and India, before finally entering Quebec to seek asylum.

Thousands of people fled Rwanda after the 1994 genocide in which 800,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed.

A Canadian immigration agency denied Teganya refugee status, saying he was complicit in the killing of 200 Tutsis at a hospital where he was a medical intern during the genocide.

Teganya, the son of a convicted war criminal in Rwanda serving a 22-year sentence, told a judge he could be detained and subject to torture and punishment if returned to Rwanda.

After multiple appeals, a Canadian court issued a warrant for Teganya's removal from Canada.

A spokeswoman for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection said formal charges had yet to be filed and that a judge would ultimately determine whether Teganya would be returned to Rwanda, or Canada.

I thought this was a war gaming forum.

**hotsauceman1**

I dont, I want monkeys with chainguns

**Ouze**

lliu wrote:
I thought this was a war gaming forum.

The OT section, as described:

Off-Topic Forum
Go wild with non-miniature games discussions. However, all (non-OT) forum rules do still apply.

So, there is non-wargaming discussion here.

**d-usa**

But I set up my miniatures and build a scale border to reenact the story...

**Relapse**

d-usa wrote:
But I set up my miniatures and build a scale border to reenact the story...

**Ouze**

That sounds like an awesome 40k scenario, doesn't it?

US Border Defense

Board Setup

Divide a 4x6 foot board the long way, so there are 2 feet on each side. Demarcate this 72 inch line line with 2 Aegis Defense Line wall sections of no more than 6 inches each. You may not use a Aegis Defense Gun.

US Rules
The US forces are represented by 4 Imperial Guardsmen, armed with Lasguns. They may be positioned in any desired method on the US side of the border. You may also express the hope that Space Marines might reinforce the Guardsmen, but don't actually ever do this.

Border Crossers
The Border Crossers may be represented by Ork Boyz, of which the starting number is 50.

Gameplay
Each turn, the Border Crossers attempt to run to the end of the board on the US side. For this scenario, all Border Crossers may not shoot, but can re-roll run distances. The Imperial Guardsmen may shoot their Lasguns as normal.

Victory Conditions:

Border Crossers get one victory point for every model that makes it to the end of the board on the US side.

Ork boyz that are killed are not removed as normal: they are instead replaced back at the Ork starting point.

Ork Boyz may roll for reinforcements every turn from turn 2 onwards. Roll 100 d6; and place that many Ork Boyz at any point on their side of the border. They may run that turn.

For every 10 models that make it to the end of the board, roll a D6. On a 5+, a Guardsman loses his job to an immigrant. Replace a Guardsman with a Ork Boy, who is bribed and will not shoot for the rest of the game.

Guardsman gain a single VP for every turn that ends with no Ork Models on the US side of the board.

At the end of every turn, the US player rolls 2d6. On a 10+, Canadian Mounties join the US as allies, represented by 2 Rough Riders (entering from the US table edge). On a roll of 2 or 12, they bring Tim Horton's with them, and the US guardsmen spend the subsequent turn unable to shoot as they enjoy Tim Hortons.

**Dreadclaw69**

d-usa wrote:
He was caught entering by the border patrol, hence be didn't successfully cross the border.
Sorry this is so complicated for you. If the local sheriff would have picked him up you would have had a point, but the system worked and he didn't make it.

"In northern Maine" - in, as in was in the country. Was on US soil. Had passed the border

This is the US-Canada border

This is what it looks like up really close, you'll notice that there are only two options for which country you are in at that location

This is Maine

As you can see Maine is in the United States. There is no other country bar Canada that borders Maine. The individual in question was caught in "northern Maine". This is Clue 1 that he was in the United States. He was caught by US Border Patrol, who only have jurisdiction in the United States and who are agents of the American Federal government. That is Clue 2. The fact that he was detained in the 23rd State of the United States by Federal agents of the United States government should give you a clue which country he was in. I'll give you another clue; it's only the US and Canada that share a border there, and he wasn't caught in Canada.

**jamesk1973**

Ouze wrote:
That sounds like an awesome 40k scenario, doesn't it?

US Border Defense

Board Setup

Divide a 4x6 foot board the long way, so there are 2 feet on each side. Demarcate this 72 inch line line with 2 Aegis Defense Line wall sections of no more than 6 inches each. You may not use a Aegis Defense Gun.

US Rules
The US forces are represented by 4 Imperial Guardsmen, armed with Lasguns. They may be positioned in any desired method on the US side of the border. You may also express the hope that Space Marines might reinforce the Guardsmen, but don't actually ever do this.

Border Crossers
The Border Crossers may be represented by Ork Boyz, of which the starting number is 50.

Gameplay
Each turn, the Border Crossers attempt to run to the end of the board on the US side. For this scenario, all Border Crossers may not shoot, but can re-roll run distances. The Imperial Guardsmen may shoot their Lasguns as normal.

Victory Conditions:

Border Crossers get one victory point for every model that makes it to the end of the board on the US side.

Ork boyz that are killed are not removed as normal: they are instead replaced back at the Ork starting point.

Ork Boyz may roll for reinforcements every turn from turn 2 onwards. Roll 100 d6; and place that many Ork Boyz at any point on their side of the border. They may run that turn.

For every 10 models that make it to the end of the board, roll a D6. On a 5+, a Guardsman loses his job to an immigrant. Replace a Guardsman with a Ork Boy, who is bribed and will not shoot for the rest of the game.

Guardsman gain a single VP for every turn that ends with no Ork Models on the US side of the board.

At the end of every turn, the US player rolls 2d6. On a 10+, Canadian Mounties join the US as allies, represented by 2 Rough Riders (entering from the US table edge). On a roll of 2 or 12, they bring Tim Horton's with them, and the US guardsmen spend the subsequent turn unable to shoot as they enjoy Tim Hortons.

This is fething win right here!

**Ouze**

I have to come down on the "didn't cross the border" side of the semantic fence. While he may have literally walked across the border, he didn't do so successfully (as he was arrested) which is a major component of a border crossing.

Indeed, since Border Patrol can't very arrest someone until they cross the border, by that twisted definition the Border Patrol has never caught anyone, ever.

**Jehan-reznor**

The cia could use a man like that!

**Relapse**

What are you guys arguing about, anyway? The dude got caught either way. In this case it was a tip off from a concerned citizen that tagged him.
I will tell you that as a black, he stands out like a sore thumb in that area of Maine. Growing up there, I was 13 before I saw a black person face to face, and that was because I had gone to Iowa.