Rwandan man accused of war crimes arrested illegally crossing into U.S.

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**Dreadclaw69**

Ouze wrote:
I have to come down on the "didn't cross the border" side of the semantic fence. While he may have literally walked across the border, he didn't do so successfully (as he was arrested) which is a major component of a border crossing.

Indeed, since Border Patrol can't very arrest someone until they cross the border, by that twisted definition the Border Patrol has never caught anyone, ever.

That is not the argument that is being made. The argument is that this individual made it across the border un-detected by Border Patrol agents, was spotted by a civilian who reported him acting suspiciously, and it was then that US Border Patrol agents intervened. No matter how you cut it he was in the US
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rwandan-war-crimes-fugitive-nabbed-maine-article-1.1895764#aGoBZf8U6XDkhM38.97

An African man wanted for crimes against humanity during the genocide in Rwanda has been arrested in Maine by U.S. border agents.
Jean Leonard Teganya, 42, was taken into custody after a citizen reported a “suspicious person” walking near the border with Canada.
The Department of Homeland Security said the fugitive had illegally crossed the border on foot.
He will be expelled from the U.S., the agency said. It was not clear whether he would be returned to Canada or Rwanda.

There are no semantics being played. He was factually and in law across the border and present within the United States.

**edit**
https://bangordailynews.com/2014/08/06/news/aroostook/u-s-border-patrol-arrests-wanted-rwandan-man-near-houlton-border-crossing/

A Rwandan man wanted on an active warrant in Canada for removal from that country was arrested Sunday after he illegally crossed the international border near Houlton, according to the ...

**Jihadin**

Ouze wrote:
That sounds like an awesome 40k scenario, doesn't it?

US Border Defense

Board Setup

Divide a 4x6 foot board the long way, so there are 2 feet on each side. Demarcate this 72 inch line line with 2 Aegis Defense Line wall sections of no more than 6 inches each. You may not use a Aegis Defense Gun.

US Rules
The US forces are represented by 4 Imperial Guardsmen, armed with Lasguns. They may be positioned in any desired method on the US side of the border. You may also express the hope that Space Marines might reinforce the Guardsmen, but don't actually ever do this.

Border Crossers
The Border Crossers may be represented by Ork Boyz, of which the starting number is 50.

Gameplay
Each turn, the Border Crossers attempt to run to the end of the board on the US side. For this scenario, all Border Crossers may not shoot, but can re-roll run distances. The Imperial Guardsmen may shoot their Lasguns as normal.

Victory Conditions:

Border Crossers get one victory point for every model that makes it to the end of the board on the US side.

Ork boyz that are killed are not removed as normal: they are instead replaced back at the Ork starting point.

Ork Boyz may roll for reinforcements every turn from turn 2 onwards. Roll 100 d6; and place that many Ork Boyz at any point on their side of the border. They may run that turn.

For every 10 models that make it to the end of the board, roll a D6. On a 5+, a Guardsman loses his job to an immigrant. Replace a Guardsman with a Ork Boy, who is bribed and will not shoot for the rest of the game.

Guardsman gain a single VP for every turn that ends with no Ork Models on the US side of the board.

At the end of every turn, the US player rolls 2d6. On a 10+, Canadian Mounties join the US as allies, represented by 2 Rough Riders (entering from the US table edge). On a roll of 2 or 12, they bring Tim Horton's with them, and the US guardsmen spend the subsequent turn unable to shoot as they enjoy Tim Hortons.

Can be no closer then 12" to US Border

**Relapse**

One thing about the game. You need to factor in black flies, horse flies, mosquitoes, and noseeums(or as the French here call them, "Ze sparks from hell"), which may be represented by tyranids.

True, no gak story those things get so bad here, they chase the Moose out of the woods.

**Ouze**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
That is not the argument that is being made. The argument is that this individual made it across the border un-detected by Border Patrol agents, was spotted by a civilian who reported him acting suspiciously]

OK, I see your point. I think I agree with you. Even though he was ultimately caught by the Border Patrol, I can't say "the system worked" because it was ultimately just luck they caught him when they did.

**Relapse**

Ouze wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
That is not the argument that is being made. The argument is that this individual made it across the border un-detected by Border Patrol agents, was spotted by a civilian who reported him acting suspiciously]

OK, I see your point. I think I agree with you. Even though he was ultimately caught by the Border Patrol, I can't say "the system worked" because it was ultimately just luck they caught him when they did.

I assure you, in Northern Maine, a black man stands out very strongly.

**Ouze**

No doubt, but a random civilian who spotted him isn't part of "the system", as it refers to out border security apparatus, I don't think.

**AlexHolker**

People are focusing on the wrong thing here. The question should not be "Why was some random guy in Canada able to walk across the border?" but "Why did Canada let someone suspected of being complicit in hundreds of murders just wander about like some random guy?" Because while you can't expect much of Mexico, Canada should be better than this.

**Frazzled**

Ouze wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I know you guys want an electrified fence with turret guns and a giant moat filled with sharks who have lasers mounted on their heads.

Christ, who doesn't.

Dude I WANT THAT FOR MY HOUSE.

**d-usa**

Ouze wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
That is not the argument that is being made. The argument is that this individual made it across the border un-detected by Border Patrol agents, was spotted by a civilian who reported him acting suspiciously]

OK, I see your point. I think I agree with you. Even though he was ultimately caught by the Border Patrol, I can't say "the system worked" because it was ultimately just luck they caught him when they did.

So I somehow completely over-looked the whole "random civilian notified them" thing in the original post, so that changes my position as well.

**Dreadclaw69**

AlexHolker wrote:
People are focusing on the wrong thing here. The question should not be "Why was some random guy in Canada able to walk across the border?" but "Why did Canada let someone suspected of being complicit in hundreds of murders just wander about like some random guy?" Because while you can't expect much of Mexico, Canada should be better than this.

Because he applied for asylum, when he was denied by Canadian authorities he decided to skip town

d-usa wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
That is not the argument that is being made. The argument is that this individual made it across the border un-detected by Border Patrol agents, was spotted by a civilian who reported him acting suspiciously]

OK, I see your point. I think I agree with you. Even though he was ultimately caught by the Border Patrol, I can't say "the system worked" because it was ultimately just luck they caught him when they did.

So I somehow completely over-looked the whole "random civilian notified them" thing in the original post, so that changes my position as well.

Glad we managed to get that all cleared up

**d-usa**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

d-usa wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
That is not the argument that is being made. The argument is that this individual made it across the border un-detected by Border Patrol agents, was spotted by a civilian who reported him acting suspiciously]

OK, I see your point. I think I agree with you. Even though he was ultimately caught by the Border Patrol, I can't say "the system worked" because it was ultimately just luck they caught him when they did.

So I somehow completely over-looked the whole "random civilian notified them" thing in the original post, so that changes my position as well.

Glad we managed to get that all cleared up

Yeah, now your argument makes sense to me. Because this whole time I was thinking that you were so caught up on a technicality that you could argue that every person handing their passport to the guy in the booth already "successfully crossed the border"

.

Pure reading comprehension fail on my part

**Dreadclaw69**

d-usa wrote:
Yeah, now your argument makes sense to me. Because this whole time I was thinking that you were so caught up on a technicality that you could argue that every person handing their passport to the guy in the booth already "successfully crossed the border" .

As pedantic as I can be even I would think that would be wholly unreasonable

d-usa wrote:
Pure reading comprehension fail on my part

It happens to the best of us, no hard feelings

**AlexHolker**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
People are focusing on the wrong thing here. The question should not be "Why was some random guy in Canada able to walk across the border?" but "Why did Canada let someone suspected of being complicit in hundreds of murders just wander about like some random guy?" Because while you can't expect much of Mexico, Canada should be better than this.

Because he applied for asylum, when he was denied by Canadian authorities he decided to skip town

But he should not have been able to skip town. Someone who has asked for asylum should not be returned to their country of origin until that's been sorted out, but until asylum has actually been granted, you shouldn't be letting them disappear into the population either. That's the point of making people apply for visas or apply for asylum - so that the host country can figure out who they're dealing with before letting them run loose.

**Dreadclaw69**

A totally cynical way to look at it is that if Canadian authorities let him go and he crosses into the US then he suddenly becomes not Canada's problem.

Sadly detaining people until they are verified as being in the country unlawfully then cutting them loose with a date to return to court isn't unusual procedure in the US either.