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This looks awesome. I'm pretty sure I'll be buying this.

I had assumed the Cr-90 would be for shooting down tie squadrons, but it appears that it's actually the Neb-B that has the best anti-squadron power of all 3 ships (Cr-90 and VSD are "2" Neb is "3")

I also wonder what the standard number of points in a list will be given that the CR-90 is 44 and the VSD is 85. The X-wing set came with 25%-33% of a standard list, and Armada must allow for at least 2 ISD in a list, plus squadrons, right?

I dont really know what purpose the CR90 is supposed to play, maybe its like a command ship/awacs? The Neb-B hqving more anti-fighter firepower is accurate though, Victory IIs were basically all anti-ship, no laser cannons just turbolasers, if anything Id say the Victorys anti-fighter capabilities are a bit too good for what it is, its TIE compliment was supposed to serve as its anti-fighter screen.

Memories of parking right behind a Victory in an X-wing & just holding down the fire key for many, many minutes.... The AI in X-wing & Tie Fighter wasn't anything too special, but it captured the feel at the time.

Oh man, I remember sending my "flight" off to get killed so I could kill everything in my missions for Tie-Fighter....Killed every ship in the game except the emperor's transport (they wouldn't let you kill that one). It was awesome.

Seriously looking forward to this game. Hopefully they are going to be pulling from the EU and Rebellion. I'd love to see some of those ships made.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The cards and stuff are the game rules.

People are buying this because they love Star Wars. Even the people who are excited about the mechanics are here primarily for the Star Wars. They would still sell the ships without the rules, but they could never sell enough rules without the ships to make it worth while.

People can buy models already. They are buying a game.


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 House Griffith wrote:
If I may ask, is there some particular reason why the scale is so (apparently) incredibly important?

Because "The mastery of insignificant or even purely fabricated information, the achievement of professorial erudition about things that do not in fact exist, barely matter, is the hallmark of a nerd."

[Gib van Ert, A Long Time Ago, 2012]

 Hulksmash wrote:
Seriously looking forward to this game. Hopefully they are going to be pulling from the EU and Rebellion. I'd love to see some of those ships made.

I wonder where my copy of Rebellion has gotten to. (I wonder if it'll install under a modern version of Windows....) I actually liked that game, bad UI and all.

But yeah - balance matters more than scale to me. Corvettes have no business engaging a VSD, at 2:1 odds or otherwise.

Looking at the dice, I don't think it is nearly as equal a fight as it looks. A VSD looks like it can throw 6 dice- and those red dice have some sides that are double hits. That would mean it is perfectly capable, without any actions, of one-shotting a corvette.

That's suitably scary to me. I agree a corvette should be a joke, or some sort of flanking vessel at best. They should be hiding from the VSD's forward arc as a monkey in a pinata hoping the children don't break in with the stick!

Maybe it's just the X-wing tokens that turn the tide? I'm willing to wait a few days and hope someone snags a video of a demo at GenCon and uploads it here

 RiTides wrote:
Maybe it's just the X-wing tokens that turn the tide? I'm willing to wait a few days and hope someone snags a video of a demo at GenCon and uploads it here

I won't be videoing it, but I do aim at grabbing a demo on Thursday. Assuming I'm not exhausted, I'll even give you ladies and gents a rundown from my tablet that eve.

Yeah, I think that the real match of a pair of Corvettes versus a Victory will be the difference in the dice that the Victory is throwing at them.
I think it's going to be a matter of Corvettes (and maybe even the Nebulon-B's) having to maneuver around the more sluggish Destroyer to get at it's weaker spots.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Maybe it's just the X-wing tokens that turn the tide? I'm willing to wait a few days and hope someone snags a video of a demo at GenCon and uploads it here

I won't be videoing it, but I do aim at grabbing a demo on Thursday. Assuming I'm not exhausted, I'll even give you ladies and gents a rundown from my tablet that eve.

That'd be awesome, thanks Plat!

Yeah would love a rundown on how this looks and plays. Just remember to drink plenty of coffee so you're not exhausted. It is by caffeine alone you set your mind in motion.

I know I plan on demoing it at Gencon, myself. Going by X-wing, I trust there is some meat on the rules that we are not seeing that makes some of the things being commented on in the thread make more sense during a game.

I will demo it.

I'll probably be too drunk for a recap.

Edit: GenCon!!!!!

Bring on the hands-ons my Northern Ameristralian matriots!

I'll be firing up some Empire at War on Steam and joining you in the annihilation of the rebel scum with ISDs.

 Janthkin wrote:
I wonder where my copy of Rebellion has gotten to. (I wonder if it'll install under a modern version of Windows....) I actually liked that game, bad UI and all.

Yes, putting aside the bad interface I loved Rebellion. I've played it through so many times (as the Empire - always as the Empire!). As for modern systems, well I believe it can be done.

 Janthkin wrote:
But yeah - balance matters more than scale to me. Corvettes have no business engaging a VSD, at 2:1 odds or otherwise.

Sadly I don't think the game will reflect that...

We'll know more in two days, if Platuan4th is as good as his word

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:
I wonder where my copy of Rebellion has gotten to. (I wonder if it'll install under a modern version of Windows....) I actually liked that game, bad UI and all.

Yes, putting aside the bad interface I loved Rebellion. I've played it through so many times (as the Empire - always as the Empire!). As for modern systems, well I believe it can be done.

I wish I could have gotten into that but it bypassed my radar (damn the days before widespread internet) and by the time I knew about it the horrible interface and lack of tutorials made it too hard to get into. Empire at Wars galaxy management was horrible by comparison... but worth it for the space battles which I'm firing up again after you reminded me of it ; p (unrelated pc gaming note: I discovered mods for Space Marine where you can change the texture of the ultramarines armour to that of other chapters... Blood Ravens ftw!)

spoilered Empire at War fleet battle pic links for relevance and omg want on tabletop:

I hope some true Star Wars die-hards give FFG the riot act at Gencon over the scale issues and the mismatch between the CR90/Neb B and the VSD.

This looks a truly amazing game. I want it now:-)))))))))

chaos0xomega wrote:
I hope some true Star Wars die-hards give FFG the riot act at Gencon over the scale issues and the mismatch between the CR90/Neb B and the VSD.

I plan to.

So are we thinking a 3x3, 4x4 or 6x4 mat for this?

I'm thinking scalable. Small and quick games up to huge and slow games depending on what you feel like. I like Deadzones 2x2 mats that you use as many of as you like in any configuration.

 vadersson wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I hope some true Star Wars die-hards give FFG the riot act at Gencon over the scale issues and the mismatch between the CR90/Neb B and the VSD.

I plan to.

Why bother? They're making a game where the ships have a variable scale between each other likely to fit most of the ships in a certain range. As long as the ships aren't visually way out of scale between gross classes like with the WOTC game where corvettes were bigger than some flagships, that will satisfy most gamers. In any case, they're absolutely not going to change things at this point. In the mill falc x-wing gencon release interview, one of their employees said they work on stuff over a year in advance so they're likely at this point already putting the design finishing touches on the second wave with the first wave moulds either already made or being made soon.

People are getting a star wars mass battle from a company known for having an eye for detail, quality games, and good support. Why give them "the riot act" for not keeping exact scales when it would be entirely unfeasible to do so in a tabletop game? Don't get me wrong in that I would have preferred more accurate scaling but I certainly understand why they chose to do what everyone else who has ever made star wars game starship models has done as well.

Well for what it is worth, it will not really be a Riot Act. I am pretty mild mannered. That said, I will express my concerns about scale and balance. Why? Because IIRC the Star Wars LCG was previewed at GenCon and based on feedback it was scrapped and reworked into a very different game before release. So you never know. Enough feedback in one direction could have a big effect. (Of course redoing an LCG is easier than a CMG.)

Thanks,
Duncan

The models are in scale...it's just logarithmic rather than linear.

Talk about hypocrisy. I want to see someone stuff 10 marines into a rhino or 12 guardsmen into a Chimera or 12 firewarriors into a devilfish. GW is just as bad about scaling as anyone else, with Fantasy being worse than 40K.

Game looks good and should play well. I look forward to it.

 vadersson wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I hope some true Star Wars die-hards give FFG the riot act at Gencon over the scale issues and the mismatch between the CR90/Neb B and the VSD.

I plan to.

Ah come on guys, be nice. They have produced want looks to be a fantastic game and have come up with a reasonable compromise on what is an impossible issue around the scale.

I think from what I have seen, they have done a cracking job, well done FFG!

Barfolomew wrote:
Talk about hypocrisy. I want to see someone stuff 10 marines into a rhino or 12 guardsmen into a Chimera or 12 firewarriors into a devilfish. GW is just as bad about scaling as anyone else, with Fantasy being worse than 40K.

Game looks good and should play well. I look forward to it.

Ah but I dont play much 40k, and as far as marines go I went through the trouble of true scaling them.