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Kangodo wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Personally generally accepting there will be nerfs across the board, IE Grey Knights and DE but if Pariahs come back with a plastic kit and the same rules as Culexus Assassins(minus the gun) I'll be very happy!

Across the board? I'd be upset if more than three, perhaps four, units were nerfed.
That'd be AB's, NS's, Wraiths and perhaps, really perhaps, even Ghost Arks a little.

CCB's, Doom Scythes, Night Scythes
CCB should get a fix
Night Scythe +50 points cost easily
Doom Scythe Death Ray fix, cost increase.

morgoth wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Personally generally accepting there will be nerfs across the board, IE Grey Knights and DE but if Pariahs come back with a plastic kit and the same rules as Culexus Assassins(minus the gun) I'll be very happy!

Across the board? I'd be upset if more than three, perhaps four, units were nerfed.
That'd be AB's, NS's, Wraiths and perhaps, really perhaps, even Ghost Arks a little.

CCB's, Doom Scythes, Night Scythes
CCB should get a fix
Night Scythe +50 points cost easily
Doom Scythe Death Ray fix, cost increase.

I hate to admit it, but I do agree with the points increases, maybe not to that extent, but something. And, if that's all they do, and otherwise leave Tesla untouched, then I'll be fine with it.

If Orks and Grey Knights are indicators of what we have in store, we can expect all the sub-par units to get a slight point decrease and possible addition of an extra special rule to make them more desireable.

I expect Mind Shackle Scarabs to get better clarification. People who know how they work well, know how to avoid them, and those that are not really familiar with them feel like they are OP when they they get hit with them. Serioulsy, the only time I ever lost a model to MSS was the first time I encountered them, and yes I bitched they were OP when it happened.

I don't expect any major changes to Necron vehicles, other than possible small point bumps

 adamsouza wrote:
If Orks and Grey Knights are indicators of what we have in store, we can expect all the sub-par units to get a slight point decrease and possible addition of an extra special rule to make them more desireable.

I expect Mind Shackle Scarabs to get better clarification. People who know how they work well, know how to avoid them, and those that are not really familiar with them feel like they are OP when they they get hit with them. Serioulsy, the only time I ever lost a model to MSS was the first time I encountered them, and yes I bitched they were OP when it happened.

I don't expect any major changes to Necron vehicles, other than possible small point bumps

I hope they make our mediocre units slightly better and cheaper, as most of them are far too expensive. I also just hope we don't lose that much, and maybe gain some new weapons (Some lower AP weapons could be nice). And yeah, the vehicles I don't see much changing to them besides point changes.

Praetoreans and Lychguard have just get to be buffed some how, they are beautiful models that just no one is fielding.

I've seen more Praetorean/Lychguard models used as Crypteks than what they are intended for.

The more I think about it, the more I'm feeling the return of Pariahs. 7th Edition is the height of Psychic Powers since 2nd edition and Necrons have no dog in that fight. If ANY army should be anti psyker it should probably be Necrons.

I'm also feeling a supplement. All the Xeno armies have a supplemental codex

A reason to field Flayed Ones would be nice. they're so cool!




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maybe a Severed Dynasty supplement.

 Pyeatt wrote:
A reason to field Flayed Ones would be nice. they're so cool!

Initiative 5 ?

 adamsouza wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
A reason to field Flayed Ones would be nice. they're so cool!

Initiative 5 ?

That would help. Maybe Rending or some AP value would be nice... There's just so many other things to do with the Elite slot. Stalkers, tomb guard, C'tan shard... I want a reason to field a cool looking unit.

I have resigned myself to the dread that the codex is going to get heavily nerfed for no reason other than the flayer spam domination from yesteryear lingering in people's minds.

I've even stopped painting the pile of necron models I have in the event I sell out of the army.

Reguardless of how the new codex turns out we'll at least a dozen people complaining it's crap here on DakkaDakka and throwing their armies up on Ebay.

I'm kind of looking forward to it, since I only have 2 scythes and could use a few more

 adamsouza wrote:
Reguardless of how the new codex turns out we'll at least a dozen people complaining it's crap here on DakkaDakka and throwing their armies up on Ebay.

I'm kind of looking forward to it, since I only have 2 scythes and could use a few more

Not me, I'm actually looking forward to discussing my two favourite armies instead of the "herp derp, everything sucks and the world will end" that has been infecting both threads

This is what I expect in the next Necron codex:

- RP replaced by IWND.

- Gauss replaced by Shred.

- Entropic Strike replaced by Tank Hunters.

- Flayed Ones become 15pts per model and lose Deep Strike.

- MSS become 'User has the Fear special rule when in a Challenge'.

- Solar Pulse increases to 30pts.

- Deathmarks lose the 'Hunters from Hyperspace' special rule.

- Quantum Shielding becomes Stealth.

- Staff of Light changed to 2 S4 AP5 shots.

Warlord Table:
1) Warlord causes Fear.
2) Warlord gains +1I
3) +1 to the first IWND roll for the warlord.
4) The warlord's shooting weapons gains the Master Crafted special rule.
5) The warlord can make d3 additional WS2 S2 attacks when in combat. These attacks do not benefit from any weapons the Warlord is wielding.
6) The Warlord has +1S.

-RP and IWND are two completely different things and the latter doesn't work on 1W models.
-Entropic Strike and Tank Hunter are also two completely different things and nearly every weapon/model with ES has no use of Tank Hunter.
-Are you really suggesting a NERF to Flayed Ones? Also known as "the worst unit in the entire codex"..
-A nerf to the weapon that we also like to call "not Warscythe"?
-That QS to Stealth would actively destroy the entire vehicle department of the army.
-And no, that Warlord table..

Are you serious or is this just one of the hundred troll-posts in this thread?

Kangodo wrote:
-RP and IWND are two completely different things and the latter doesn't work on 1W models.
-Entropic Strike and Tank Hunter are also two completely different things and nearly every weapon/model with ES has no use of Tank Hunter.
-Are you really suggesting a NERF to Flayed Ones? Also known as "the worst unit in the entire codex"..
-A nerf to the weapon that we also like to call "not Warscythe"?
-That QS to Stealth would actively destroy the entire vehicle department of the army.
-And no, that Warlord table..

Are you serious or is this just one of the hundred troll-posts in this thread?

It's not what I want to happen or what I hope will happen (I believe I've covered both earlier).

I'm saying what I expect GW to do to necrons.

 vipoid wrote:
This is what I expect in the next Necron codex:
- RP replaced by IWND.
- Gauss replaced by Shred.
- Entropic Strike replaced by Tank Hunters.
- Flayed Ones become 15pts per model and lose Deep Strike.
- MSS become 'User has the Fear special rule when in a Challenge'.
- Solar Pulse increases to 30pts.
- Deathmarks lose the 'Hunters from Hyperspace' special rule.
- Quantum Shielding becomes Stealth.
- Staff of Light changed to 2 S4 AP5 shots.
Warlord Table:
1) Warlord causes Fear.
2) Warlord gains +1I
3) +1 to the first IWND roll for the warlord.
4) The warlord's shooting weapons gains the Master Crafted special rule.
5) The warlord can make d3 additional WS2 S2 attacks when in combat. These attacks do not benefit from any weapons the Warlord is wielding.
6) The Warlord has +1S.

You expect GW to competely destroy one of their better and well received codex?

GW may not care about us, but they aren't going to destroy the sales of their Necrons for no reason either.

That list looks like it a wishlist of someone who wants Necrons nerfed into oblivion. It has things on it (Flayed ones, Staff of Light) that are already reguarded as terrible.

 adamsouza wrote:


That list looks like it a wishlist of someone who wants Necrons nerfed into oblivion. It has things on it (Flayed ones, Staff of Light) that are already reguarded as terrible.

It is indeed a Necron hatelist

Aite. Aite I'm gonna blow some minds.

The Monolith as a Lord of War. Price it at ~450 points, give it some Baneblade scale firepower and toughness, and some army wide buffs why not.

 adamsouza wrote:

You expect GW to competely destroy one of their better and well received codex?

Yes. Either intentionally for reasons known only to them, or because they genuinely think rules like Fear are good.

 adamsouza wrote:

GW may not care about us, but they aren't going to destroy the sales of their Necrons for no reason either.

If anything, they'll do it to make you buy either allies or some supplement that's basically Codex: Necrons (good version).

 adamsouza wrote:

That list looks like it a wishlist of someone who wants Necrons nerfed into oblivion. It has things on it (Flayed ones, Staff of Light) that are already reguarded as terrible.

You're right - games workshop is always quick to fix bad units and wargear. Just look at the pyrovore - it went from 'terrible' to 'paperweight'. Or Rough Riders, which went from underpowered to outright terrible. Or, our own flayed ones, which were bad in the last book and... are still bad in this one. Or, most recently, Wyches - which were terrible in combat, but good at taking down tanks. GW 'fixed' them by making them even worse in combat, and removing their ability to take down tanks.

Sorry if I don't have much confidence in GW improving our bad units.

GW seems to have an idea in mind of how each codex is supposed to be played, and has taken to nerfing everything that isn't that:

IG: Tank gunline
Tyranids: Flying monstrous creatures, DLC Endless Swarm
Space Wolves: Wolves riding giant wolves, with a sleigh pulled by giant wolves. And Murder.
Dark Eldar: Coven

They keep one viable route, and nerf the ever living gak out of everything else, stripping customization, flavour of any unique elements along the way. Given how they changed IG orders to be on the same power level, with the same abilities as psychic powers (unlike before where they were noticeably weaker), I'd expect Crypteks to be up for a significant redesign to make them more "consistent" with everything else. Can't confuse little timmy now can we; even when it's not a nerf, GW's done a good job removing unique elements across the books.

See, I just want to see Croissonts taken down a peg and Imhotek to go die in a fire with his lazy and annoying lightning ability, and see the barges upped in points, while the Monolith to be made more attractive, but GW doesn't do things in halves; you either become Eldar or live long enough to see your codex become a hollow shell of its former self.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
GW seems to have an idea in mind of how each codex is supposed to be played

Well, that or they have a specific model range they'd like to sell...

 MajorStoffer wrote:
GW seems to have an idea in mind of how each codex is supposed to be played, and has taken to nerfing everything that isn't that:

IG: Tank gunline
Tyranids: Flying monstrous creatures, DLC Endless Swarm
Space Wolves: Wolves riding giant wolves, with a sleigh pulled by giant wolves. And Murder.
Dark Eldar: Coven

They keep one viable route, and nerf the ever living gak out of everything else, stripping customization, flavour of any unique elements along the way.

I basically agree in any case.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Given how they changed IG orders to be on the same power level, with the same abilities as psychic powers (unlike before where they were noticeably weaker), I'd expect Crypteks to be up for a significant redesign to make them more "consistent" with everything else. Can't confuse little timmy now can we; even when it's not a nerf, GW's done a good job removing unique elements across the books.

Possibly. It might depend on how many buffs they think Necrons need (since we don't have psychic powers or the like). In any case, it would be nice if they did something a bit more interesting than just pinching half the Necron Lord's armoury.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
and Imhotek to go die in a fire with his lazy and annoying lightning ability

Can I sig thig?

raverrn wrote:
Aite. Aite I'm gonna blow some minds.

The Monolith as a Lord of War. Price it at ~450 points, give it some Baneblade scale firepower and toughness, and some army wide buffs why not.

If only...

raverrn wrote:
Aite. Aite I'm gonna blow some minds.
The Monolith as a Lord of War. Price it at ~450 points, give it some Baneblade scale firepower and toughness, and some army wide buffs why not.

We already have the Vault and Obilisk

Yeah, so we need a good one that is larger than a Dreadnought, so at least looks the part

 vipoid wrote:


Can I sig thig?

Hey, go nuts, let all the internet see my abject disgust for Imhotek and his lightning bs of bullshitness.

Him and the warp storm.

feth that gak.


Anyways, to be more on topic, when I think of Necrons, the "iconic" army is a sea of deathless machines and monoliths; 3rd and 4th are the editions where I started paying attention to 40k, even though I didn't play, and the art has stuck with me for a long time. Necrons without monoliths, but all these spindly robot-things have never felt right to me. If there's anything I want to see buffed, it's that.

I don't think that there even still is a theme with NewCrons. TruCrons had the Silver Tide theme that focused on large amounts of bodies on the field, supported by Monoliths.

NewCrons...well...have nothing. They are all over the place with flying croissants, snakes and gun platforms. There is no actual theme anymore and it shows how badly the codex was written.

There is an actual theme, you just don't like it.
Learn the difference.

The Silver Tide is far more alive with the 5th dex than it ever was under the 3e codex.

Under 3e, people seem to have forgotten that Warriors were eighteen points each. Eighteen! Not to mention coming in squads with a maximum size.

Or that Res Orbs were 30 points and just gave us what we now get as default.

Or that Destroyers used to be freaking jetbikes.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The Silver Tide is far more alive with the 5th dex than it ever was under the 3e codex.

Under 3e, people seem to have forgotten that Warriors were eighteen points each. Eighteen! Not to mention coming in squads with a maximum size.

Or that Res Orbs were 30 points and just gave us what we now get as default.

Or that Destroyers used to be freaking jetbikes.

This isn't about strength or competitive viability, it's about the theme. The TruCron codex was completely aimed at that theme by drastically limiting the potential units you could bring and working both the rules and the fluff around said lists. As much as Phase Out was a disadvantage, it also perfectly fit the fluff and forced you into taking enough bodies (read: Immortals).

On top of that, you cannot really compare TruCron and NewCron units as the meta has changed a whole lot and points cost as a whole were heavily reduced over the past releases in order to promote more sales.

The problem with the NewCron codex is that there isn't a theme anymore. Most of it was randomly thrown together, promoting variety but, ultimatively, resulting in arbitrariness. While the TruCron codex was aimed at players who wanted to play an army because of the army and its background, the NewCron codex is merely aimed at power creeps who do not are about any fluff but want to skip straight to cherry-picking units. A typical Ward codex.

"Trucron" had an incredibly limited model range. The theme came from not having any other choices to field.

Reverse the awful Newcron fluff