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ClockworkZion wrote: Has anyone tried out the Space Sled at all yet? I've been curious how it stacks up in a game.
I've never used chariots ever. People tell me when it is wrecked the rider dies. If that is the case the sled is terrible!
Considering how hard it is to kill either of them and the fact you can put the hits where you want them for shooting, it gives him like 7 hull points.
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In Theory vs. the right opponent.
Taking on the right opponent is the key.
Assaulting the Storm Shield/Thunder Hammer Terminators is a good way to get killed, though taking on mixed Weapon Chaos Terminators might not.
Sounds like he's pretty decent on the sled then. Good to know since I like the model and was considering adding it to my collection (well that and I have want to build the great company of Great Wolf).
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The model is really cool. A bit more technical to assemble than the Stormwolf or the Ven Dread, but very cool.
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gwarsh41 wrote: Cool to hear about a rune priest with durfast doing well. Seems like a fun option. Njal doesnt really seem worth it unless you really want an ML3 caster in the army. His points seem adjusted well, but I just don't really see myself ever using him.
He'd be much better if he wasn't basically forced to take Tempestas Powers with his special rules.
It comes with a base for Grimnar, iirc. the thing I messed up on and wish I hadn't was putting a magnet in the floor of the sled before I assembled it. Now I have to drill. :(
I use grass flock for my SW, but that's because I'm stuck in 3rd edition.
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pretre wrote: It comes with a base for Grimnar, iirc. the thing I messed up on and wish I hadn't was putting a magnet in the floor of the sled before I assembled it. Now I have to drill. :(
I'll keep that in mind a head of time! My next purchase is the Battleforce (store still has one in stock) and/or a drop pod or two. I've got a legal 1741 pt list right now if I take everything, but it's not a good list right now either. So I need to work on it.
pretre wrote: I use grass flock for my SW, but that's because I'm stuck in 3rd edition.
I like doing different things for different armies. I feel it gives them more flavor that way. Plus with Wolves I'd feel a little blasphemous not putting them in winter basing of some kind.
So what's the consensus on buying CCWs or not? I've got a bunch modeled and like the idea of the extra attacks on Grey Hunters, but I don't know how useful it really is.
I base them all the same way so I can use the same display boards.....Also for when I mix and match my allies. Working on a new display board now that is going to look pretty cool(putting buildings and terrain on it to get most of my points for the board).
Once again another game where my Void shield has been such a huge deterrent that it has gotten me so many points its not even funny. Just the fact that I can get at least two objectives inside it means two units are not getting shot off it.
Also T-Wolves with chaplain, and HQ in a Bike command squad has been huge for getting there safely. Having a unit with 3+ Jink base as well as 5+ FNP has gotten my characters into many different combats while the chaplain gives the T-wolves re-roll hits and hit and run.
Space Wolves and White Scars is an amazing combo.
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People who stopped buying GW but wont stop bitching about it are the vegans of warhammer
pretre wrote: It comes with a base for Grimnar, iirc. the thing I messed up on and wish I hadn't was putting a magnet in the floor of the sled before I assembled it. Now I have to drill. :(
I'll keep that in mind a head of time! My next purchase is the Battleforce (store still has one in stock) and/or a drop pod or two. I've got a legal 1741 pt list right now if I take everything, but it's not a good list right now either. So I need to work on it.
pretre wrote: I use grass flock for my SW, but that's because I'm stuck in 3rd edition.
I like doing different things for different armies. I feel it gives them more flavor that way. Plus with Wolves I'd feel a little blasphemous not putting them in winter basing of some kind.
So what's the consensus on buying CCWs or not? I've got a bunch modeled and like the idea of the extra attacks on Grey Hunters, but I don't know how useful it really is.
Depends on what you are dong with them
>Flamer Hunter: Yes go with them because are defiantly planning on Assaulting.
>Melta Hunters: Depends on how Aggressive you are going to be with them.
>Plasma Hunters: I would not bother as you are probably not going to Assault with them much.
pretre wrote: It comes with a base for Grimnar, iirc. the thing I messed up on and wish I hadn't was putting a magnet in the floor of the sled before I assembled it. Now I have to drill. :(
I'll keep that in mind a head of time! My next purchase is the Battleforce (store still has one in stock) and/or a drop pod or two. I've got a legal 1741 pt list right now if I take everything, but it's not a good list right now either. So I need to work on it.
pretre wrote: I use grass flock for my SW, but that's because I'm stuck in 3rd edition.
I like doing different things for different armies. I feel it gives them more flavor that way. Plus with Wolves I'd feel a little blasphemous not putting them in winter basing of some kind.
So what's the consensus on buying CCWs or not? I've got a bunch modeled and like the idea of the extra attacks on Grey Hunters, but I don't know how useful it really is.
Depends on what you are dong with them
>Flamer Hunter: Yes go with them because are defiantly planning on Assaulting.
>Melta Hunters: Depends on how Aggressive you are going to be with them.
>Plasma Hunters: I would not bother as you are probably not going to Assault with them much.
Currently I've got Plasma Hunters but I'm planning on changing some of them to flamer and melta instead. I plan to go Drop Pod heavy so having some dedicated anti-tank and anti-horde just seems prudent for future lists.
Though longer term I want to go full on Champions of Fenris so maybe it's not a huge deal as is either.
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karlosovic wrote: I've been doing 50% CCW and stick the guys with no CCW out front to take the first hits
Sounds like a good tactic to me.
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I've been thinking... now that the WGPL counts towards pack numbers and we can fit both him and the 2nd special gun inside a 10-man transport.... and because combi-weapons have gone up in price... and because challenges... and because CCW now cost extra....
Maybe combi-weapons have lost their shine.
I'm thinking now that tooling the WGPL purely for close combat would be a better idea.
Maybe Claw and shield, or claw and fist, or plasma pistol & frost sword
Thoughts?
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Empire - 3000 (Current build)
Dwarves - Old and desperately in need of updating
ClockworkZion wrote: So what's the consensus on buying CCWs or not? I've got a bunch modeled and like the idea of the extra attacks on Grey Hunters, but I don't know how useful it really is.
They're definitely much less versatile in assault off the charge without them. It's especially noticeable if you're running MSU and get into assaults. In my opinion, if you're running a Wolf Banner, then you should stick CCWs on that squad as well to maximize assault potential.
Those are all expensive options though, so they're only worth it in aggressive melta/flamer packs - not plasma units
For a plasma gunline unit.... maybe TDA to tank shots (optional shield), or no WGPL at all
Shame the WGPL no longer has access to terminator heavy weapons, but I'll take the trade off for all the ways it's better now he's a proper part of the pack
ClockworkZion wrote: So what's the consensus on buying CCWs or not? I've got a bunch modeled and like the idea of the extra attacks on Grey Hunters, but I don't know how useful it really is.
They're definitely much less versatile in assault off the charge without them. It's especially noticeable if you're running MSU and get into assaults. In my opinion, if you're running a Wolf Banner, then you should stick CCWs on that squad as well to maximize assault potential.
Yeah that's a no brainer.
The Wolf Standard is not worth 25pts just for leadership (on top of ATSKNF)
It's all about the melee bonus, and since you can only take one banner (per FOC) you really want to maximise its potential if you're going to use it
I wouldn't run it in MSU unless you make sure to keep them all within 6", and even then you're still better off with larger packs all with CCW and as many special melee weapons as possible
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- 10,000+ (since 1994)
- 5000 (since 1996)
Harlequins/Ynnari -2500
Empire - 3000 (Current build)
Dwarves - Old and desperately in need of updating
ClockworkZion wrote: Though longer term I want to go full on Champions of Fenris so maybe it's not a huge deal as is either.
I can already do that easily
I'm definitely not there yet. This is what I currently own:
11x Lascannon Longfangs (need to build 1 more to bring total to 12, I have the lascannon, just not the spare body right now).
3x Long Fang Wolf Guard Pack Leader Bolt Pistol/Chainsword
4x Wolfguard Terminators with Wolf Claws
8x Grey Hunter w/ Bolters
11x grey Hunters w/ Bolter, Chainsword
8x Grey Hunter w/ Plasmagun
4x Grey Hunters w/ Plasma Pistol
4x Grey Hunters w/ Power Fists, Bolters
4x Bloodclaws (originally used to represent models w/ Mark of the Wulfen)
1x Ulfric the Slayer (metal)
1x Converted Ulfric the Slayer (Bolt Pistol, count-as Wolf Priest)
1x Rune Priest w/ Bolt Pistol, Runic Sword
This was originally a 2k all foot list built in 5th on a lark of trying to do something outside the usual meta of parking lot armies. It didn't do great.
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karlosovic wrote: I've been thinking... now that the WGPL counts towards pack numbers and we can fit both him and the 2nd special gun inside a 10-man transport.... and because combi-weapons have gone up in price... and because challenges... and because CCW now cost extra....
Maybe combi-weapons have lost their shine.
I'm thinking now that tooling the WGPL purely for close combat would be a better idea.
Maybe Claw and shield, or claw and fist, or plasma pistol & frost sword
Thoughts?
Those are all good options, though it also depends what you are doing.
Gun Line Plasma Hunters, the Combi-Plasma and a Wolf Claw or Power Weapon might be worth it.
Drop Pod Wolves
>Flamer Hunters: I would go with a Shield and a Claw, maybe a Melta Bombs
>Melta Hunters: Combi-Melta, Power Fist or Thunder Hammer.
>Plasma Hunters: Combi-Melta, Wolf Claws or Power Maul
Out of Stormwolf, I would conceder Terminator Armor, but the same basic load out.
ClockworkZion wrote: Though longer term I want to go full on Champions of Fenris so maybe it's not a huge deal as is either.
I can already do that easily
I'm definitely not there yet. This is what I currently own:
11x Lascannon Longfangs (need to build 1 more to bring total to 12, I have the lascannon, just not the spare body right now).
3x Long Fang Wolf Guard Pack Leader Bolt Pistol/Chainsword
4x Wolfguard Terminators with Wolf Claws
8x Grey Hunter w/ Bolters
11x grey Hunters w/ Bolter, Chainsword
8x Grey Hunter w/ Plasmagun
4x Grey Hunters w/ Plasma Pistol
4x Grey Hunters w/ Power Fists, Bolters
4x Bloodclaws (originally used to represent models w/ Mark of the Wulfen)
1x Ulfric the Slayer (metal)
1x Converted Ulfric the Slayer (Bolt Pistol, count-as Wolf Priest)
1x Rune Priest w/ Bolt Pistol, Runic Sword
This was originally a 2k all foot list built in 5th on a lark of trying to do something outside the usual meta of parking lot armies. It didn't do great.
Lets see off the top of my head:
Logan, Njal, Bjorn, Ulrik, Canis
About 40 Wolf Guard Terminators
10-15 Powered Armored Wolf Guard
60 Grey Hunters [2 Packs of each Type]
60 Blood Claws
10 Skyclaws
6 Skyclaws + Attack Bike
12 Long Fangs [ML x7, LC x2, HB x1]
3x Thunderlords
5x Thunderwolf Cavalry
3x Land Speeders
Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader
20 Wolf Scouts
10-15 Wolves
And this does not count Proxies
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Well I don't have quite tham much either, but close
Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Bjorn and both Njals
Thunder Lord
2 other Rune Priests (one TDA)
Wolf Priests on Bike and Jump Pack
WGBL jump pack
Iron Priest
30 WG Terminators
~10 WG Power Armour with mix of combi-weapons
40 Grey Hunters (2 packs plasma, 2 packs melta, all with extras for Power: Fist/ Axe/ Sword)
15 Blood Claws
24 Long Fangs (4x6, half ML, half mixed other)
10 Swift Claws inc Attack Bike
20 Sky Claws
10 Wolves
6 TWC 2xLand Raider (crusader & redeemer)
Las-Pred
Whirlwind
4xRazorback/Rhinos
Land Speeder
Storm Eagle Gunship (bloody hard kit to build!)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and the new VenDread - Axe & Shield
plus regular dread with plasma cannon
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- 5000 (since 1996)
Harlequins/Ynnari -2500
Empire - 3000 (Current build)
Dwarves - Old and desperately in need of updating
It's a great kit. I may never use it, but it's still awesome looking. I managed to magnetize the crap out of it.
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It's a great kit. I may never use it, but it's still awesome looking. I managed to magnetize the crap out of it.
I think it's one of the best close combat dreads in the game. That 3++ really makes it extra survivable. A Dreadnought Drop Pod with him or Murderfang to give them an extra turn of protection (unless they FAQ'd it, they don't get out of the Drop Pod when it hits, and it's an assault vehicle) seems like an awesome combo.
gwarsh41 wrote: What do you mean, like the FW dreadnought pod doesn't have to open when it arrives?
I don't know if it's been errata'd but it didn't have the rule that said models had to disembark when it lands which basically makes up for the rules regarding not being able to assault when coming from reserves in 6th edition.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And looking closer apparently it's actually a bit of a mess rules-wise because it gives the model inside Shrouded which means that it either disembarks and has Shrouded while standing on the model, or it doesn't disembark and Shrouded is a mess since the only things that can hit models inside of open-topped transports are templates (which ignore cover).
Automatically Appended Next Post: To borrow someone who explained it better's post from B&C:
The Dreadnought needs to remain on part of the Lucius model to get Shrouding. That is the wording. No mention of it being embarked or disembarked at all in that rules, so normal rules apply and you'd need to disembark but stay on part of the Lucius model to make use of that rule.
Separately it also has Assault Vehicle (that can't be used on the turn it Deep Strikes) and is lacking the rule in Drop Pod Assault that forces you to disembark on the turn it arrives. So this allows the Dread to stay embarked on the Drop Pod and it can still shoot out (due to Open Topped) and then disembark and assault the turn after it Deep Strikes.
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Anpu42 wrote: Lets see off the top of my head:
Logan, Njal, Bjorn, Ulrik, Canis
About 40 Wolf Guard Terminators
10-15 Powered Armored Wolf Guard
60 Grey Hunters [2 Packs of each Type]
60 Blood Claws
10 Skyclaws
6 Skyclaws + Attack Bike
12 Long Fangs [ML x7, LC x2, HB x1]
3x Thunderlords
5x Thunderwolf Cavalry
3x Land Speeders
Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader
20 Wolf Scouts
10-15 Wolves
And this does not count Proxies
I'm pretty close to this, but 1/3 of the Termies, 3/4ths of the core infantry and no bikers or Land Speeders basically (but swap those out for my Dreadnoughts, tons of tanks, etc and it's close enough). I can run the Apoc Great Company formation and still have units to spare.
Not 100% precise, but more or less the following:
Spoiler:
Logan, Ulrik, Ragnar, 2 versions of Njal, Canis Wolfborn, really old metal Bjorn
3 different versions of my Wolf Lord (3rd ed Terminator Armour, Runic Armour version and Scibor Terminator version for ultra-badassery)
TWC Lord
3 Rune Priests (official model, old school metal Terminator model and a lightly converted BA Chaplain from 3rd ed)
3 Wolf Priests (converted chaplain, a Jump Pack one based on my character in a Deathwatch campaign and a Terminator conversion I whipped up based on the one in the new Codex)
14 or 15 Blood Claws + Lukas
70-80 Grey Hunters (possibly even more)
1 Iron Priest
~20 Wolf Scouts
2 Lone Wolfs (Lone Wolves? )
4 or 5 Dreadnoughts + Murderfang
~15 Terminators + Arjac Rockfist
6 Rhinos, 1 Razorback
5 TWC 7 Fenrisian Wolves
9 Skyclaws
17 Long Fangs
2 Vindicators
1 Land Raider Crusader
5 Old School Wulfen
Storm Eagle Gunship
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