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10 Wolf Guard Sky Guard - Jump Packs, 2xCombi Melta & Storm Shield, Power Fist, Pair of Claws, 2xPower Axe - 345
It's almost double the points of my usual Skyclaws unit of:
10 Skyclaws - Power Fist, Flamer - 180
Is there a viable way to build a Wolf Guard "Sky Guard" unit?
I don't see the point of paying extra for Wolf Guard unless you're going to make use of their weapon options.... but is it too many points on what is still a T4 W1 3+ unit (albeit with 2 SS thrown in)
I'm thinking the best way to use them would be deep striking. Open to suggestions of a suitable IC
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karlosovic wrote: Is there a viable way to build a Wolf Guard "Sky Guard" unit?
I've been wondering the same myself actually. It seems like the best route to take PAWG, but equipping them properly is another question entirely.
Yes that's certainly a key part of it.
My thinking is if they deep strike, then they don't have to risk several turns hopping around the battlefield getting shot before they can do their thing.
So they deep strike in and use the combi-meltas first turn to try and pop something. Those guys then, having fired their weapon, become tanks (with the SS) to try and keep the rest of the guys alive long enough to assault something on the following turn. Not sure if I've got the right mix of weapons though
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Having thought about it, since PAWG don't have Bolters I'd say if you want them shooty, give them bikes, if you want them punchy take Packs. I don't really have great advice about how to gear them up yet, but that basically covers my very limited opinion on what to do with them since they just don't stike me as great on their own without one of those sets of upgrades (unless you play Kill Teams or something).
Automatically Appended Next Post: I stand corrected, PAWG can get Bolters. They just can't get them and keep the bonus attacks. Bolters for PF/SS models only I guess.
Still looks like bikes and packs are better for them all around though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a small tangent, what are the thoughts on how to gear up Lone Wolves?
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Well for Lone Wolves I use two basic Builds
1] Power Armor, Storm Shield, Frost Blade [it used to be 2] SS/MotW]: Looks good and solid and give you Sweeping Advance. I run a Pair with 2 wolves each. They usually do good, but I have not gotten to take them out yet with the new Dex. I may add Melta Bombs.
Terminator Armor, Chain Fist, Wolf Claw: This give you a option to take on everything with a 2+/5++ Save. Now you can Deep Strike them.
This is my list I'm looking at running soon some feedback would be great as I haven't picked up all the models yet.
Seems a bit short on models though
Tournament Rules
Spoiler:
Building army:
All armies must have only one Combined Arms Detachment (CAD). This may be chosen from the following list: (1 item from bellow may be used)
1. Normal codex/rulebook combined arms detachment.
2. Codex particular combined arms detachment (eg Nemesis strike force from codex grey knights)
3. A formation may be used as a CAD. (eg grey knight brother hood)
Allied detachment: (1 item from bellow may be used)
1. May be taken as normal, but no Come the Apocalypse allies may be taken.
2. Formation, either electronic or from relevant codex. Must be of the same, battle brothers of or no faction as the CAD above.
3. Data slate, maybe taken from relevant electronic sources. If unsure please check first. Must be of the same, battle brothers to, or have no faction as CAD above.
Fortifications:
Have no restrictions at this tournament, but if using non GW standard fortifications please send me a picture first with a standard model stood next to it to check scale please.
Lord of war units:
Can be used, but have a 400pt restriction. All 40k approved, Escalation and codex LOW can be used
All Codexs are viable and all Forge World units
Codex: Imperial Knights may be used, but are limited to 1 Knight (of either type) only and counts as either your Lord of war or Allies detachment.
1750 list
Spoiler:
Space Wolves Champions of Fenris - Company of the Great Wolf Detachment
Thunderwolf Cavalry
PF/SS PF/SS SS 215
Thunderwolf Cavalry
PF/SS PF/SS SS 215
Wolf Lord
2 Fen Wolves
Thunder Wolf
Runic Armour
Krakenbone Sword
Melta Bombs
Storm Shield
246
Wolf Guard Terminators
2 extra
AC/PW SB/PW SB/CF SB/SS SB/PW 200
Wolf Guard Terminators
1 extra
CM/SS/Cyclone
CM/CF CM/SS CM/WC 202
Arjac
115
Drop Pod
35
Allies - Offico Assassinorum
Culexus Assassin
140
LOW - Imperial Knights
Knight Errant
370
Total 1738
Arjac goes in the drop pod with the Wolf Guard above him in the list, its a go for the throat list everything just pounds forwards the other termi unit will DS in.
Not sure whether to have the Culexus or the Callidus Assassin at this point.
Anpu42 wrote: Well for Lone Wolves I use two basic Builds
1] Power Armor, Storm Shield, Frost Blade [it used to be 2] SS/MotW]: Looks good and solid and give you Sweeping Advance. I run a Pair with 2 wolves each. They usually do good, but I have not gotten to take them out yet with the new Dex. I may add Melta Bombs.
Terminator Armor, Chain Fist, Wolf Claw: This give you a option to take on everything with a 2+/5++ Save. Now you can Deep Strike them.
Well your build is going to lose a little already: no more MotW.
That aside, I am liking the Terminator option. It just seems like a good all-rounder who can tank a little while he's at it.
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Anpu42 wrote: Well for Lone Wolves I use two basic Builds
1] Power Armor, Storm Shield, Frost Blade [it used to be 2] SS/MotW]: Looks good and solid and give you Sweeping Advance. I run a Pair with 2 wolves each. They usually do good, but I have not gotten to take them out yet with the new Dex. I may add Melta Bombs.
Terminator Armor, Chain Fist, Wolf Claw: This give you a option to take on everything with a 2+/5++ Save. Now you can Deep Strike them.
Well your build is going to lose a little already: no more MotW.
That aside, I am liking the Terminator option. It just seems like a good all-rounder who can tank a little while he's at it.
Yes I know my PA Lone Wolves lost a bit, I will have to see how they go. I used to be able to chew up a Squad a Turn, large mobs took a bit.
I once that the two keep a 30 model Ork Mob busy the whole Game. I would have wiped them out, but I forgot I was WS5.
GiraffeX wrote: This is my list I'm looking at running soon some feedback would be great as I haven't picked up all the models yet.
Seems a bit short on models though
Tournament Rules
Spoiler:
Building army:
All armies must have only one Combined Arms Detachment (CAD). This may be chosen from the following list: (1 item from bellow may be used)
1. Normal codex/rulebook combined arms detachment.
2. Codex particular combined arms detachment (eg Nemesis strike force from codex grey knights)
3. A formation may be used as a CAD. (eg grey knight brother hood)
Allied detachment: (1 item from bellow may be used)
1. May be taken as normal, but no Come the Apocalypse allies may be taken.
2. Formation, either electronic or from relevant codex. Must be of the same, battle brothers of or no faction as the CAD above.
3. Data slate, maybe taken from relevant electronic sources. If unsure please check first. Must be of the same, battle brothers to, or have no faction as CAD above.
Fortifications:
Have no restrictions at this tournament, but if using non GW standard fortifications please send me a picture first with a standard model stood next to it to check scale please.
Lord of war units:
Can be used, but have a 400pt restriction. All 40k approved, Escalation and codex LOW can be used
All Codexs are viable and all Forge World units
Codex: Imperial Knights may be used, but are limited to 1 Knight (of either type) only and counts as either your Lord of war or Allies detachment.
1750 list
Spoiler:
Space Wolves Champions of Fenris - Company of the Great Wolf Detachment
Thunderwolf Cavalry
PF/SS PF/SS SS 215
Thunderwolf Cavalry
PF/SS PF/SS SS 215
Wolf Lord
2 Fen Wolves
Thunder Wolf
Runic Armour
Krakenbone Sword
Melta Bombs
Storm Shield
246
Wolf Guard Terminators
2 extra
AC/PW SB/PW SB/CF SB/SS SB/PW 200
Wolf Guard Terminators
1 extra
CM/SS/Cyclone
CM/CF CM/SS CM/WC 202
Arjac
115
Drop Pod
35
Allies - Offico Assassinorum
Culexus Assassin
140
LOW - Imperial Knights
Knight Errant
370
Total 1738
Arjac goes in the drop pod with the Wolf Guard above him in the list, its a go for the throat list everything just pounds forwards the other termi unit will DS in.
Not sure whether to have the Culexus or the Callidus Assassin at this point.
Thanks
Is it just me, or are there no Troops in your primary detachment? I thought it said it had to be a CAD detachment?
I have spotted a mistake though I need to have 5 WG in the last squad to have the cyclone so that puts the unit to 6 models with Arjac, they cant go via drop pod now, back to the drawing board
I'm not finding this very easy, spent all day trying to make a list
GiraffeX wrote: In point two you can use a unique detachment.
I have spotted a mistake though I need to have 5 WG in the last squad to have the cyclone so that puts the unit to 6 models with Arjac, they cant go via drop pod now, back to the drawing board
I'm not finding this very easy, spent all day trying to make a list
Just FYI, there is no such thing as a codex specific combined arms detachment. There is only one CAD and that's the detachment available from the rulebook. Codex specific detachments are exactly that. Detachments. Not Combined arms detachments.
And he has no troops as he is picking a company of the great wolf detachment. Requires no troops at all. But a minimum of 2 Elites.
You sought to cower behind your walls, weakling? Instead, by the will of Khorne, you shall die behind them
Something amusing I spotted today: you can built an all TWC army if you really want. Champions of Fenris FOC, Iron Priests for your Elites, and HQ on a TW and TWC to fill out the rest of the army. Add Cyberwolves and Fenrisian Wolves to taste.
Probably not the most effective army you can field, but possible one of the most interesting/thematic!
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Yep, I read the champions and realized that you cant actually take a regular detachment from that book so I switched to scars primary, Champions secondary. That gave me thunderwolves at WS 5 as well as all wolf guard at weapon skill 5.
I am trying out a 3 man unit of terminators as my second elite with 3 combi meltas, 2 storm shields, and 1 power fist on the leader.
I am interested in seeing if I might be better off switching to combi plasmas or not.
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I was looking at the Champions of Fenris supplement the other day and I can see one argument for taking PAWG with packs or bikes over the Blood Claw version: WS5 on the PAWG.
I guess they're basically WS5 Blood Claws in the CoF supplement.
Leth wrote:Yep, I read the champions and realized that you cant actually take a regular detachment from that book so I switched to scars primary, Champions secondary.
As far as I can tell now, the only difference between primary and secondary is which one you want for Warlord. Personally I'd go for the Wolf Lord, but I guess it depends which traits you want?
Leth wrote:Dont forget +1 attack as well as a chance for preferred enemy for an extra 6 points. A bit pricy but not bad.
Blood Claws get Rage though, so same attacks on the charge
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Anpu42 wrote:Well for Lone Wolves I use two basic Builds
1] Power Armor, Storm Shield, Frost Blade [it used to be 2] SS/MotW]: Looks good and solid and give you Sweeping Advance. I run a Pair with 2 wolves each. They usually do good, but I have not gotten to take them out yet with the new Dex. I may add Melta Bombs.
Terminator Armor, Chain Fist, Wolf Claw: This give you a option to take on everything with a 2+/5++ Save. Now you can Deep Strike them.
I haven't gotten to try the new codex (or edition, really) yet, but does their giving up KP now not seem like an issue? I mean, having a dude you can use as a (FOC-less) spanner in the works seems nice, I admit, but also very fragile. Seems kind of gambity to use LWs now.
Anpu42 wrote:Well for Lone Wolves I use two basic Builds
1] Power Armor, Storm Shield, Frost Blade [it used to be 2] SS/MotW]: Looks good and solid and give you Sweeping Advance. I run a Pair with 2 wolves each. They usually do good, but I have not gotten to take them out yet with the new Dex. I may add Melta Bombs.
Terminator Armor, Chain Fist, Wolf Claw: This give you a option to take on everything with a 2+/5++ Save. Now you can Deep Strike them.
I haven't gotten to try the new codex (or edition, really) yet, but does their giving up KP now not seem like an issue? I mean, having a dude you can use as a (FOC-less) spanner in the works seems nice, I admit, but also very fragile. Seems kind of gambity to use LWs now.
I think it will come down to the Mission. I do feel the loss of them not giving a VP sad, but not the end of the world.
This should be where the Terminator Armored or putting one in a Stormfang will be a big thing. Because of there late arrival times they should not be giving up "First Blood".
Leth wrote:Yep, I read the champions and realized that you cant actually take a regular detachment from that book so I switched to scars primary, Champions secondary.
As far as I can tell now, the only difference between primary and secondary is which one you want for Warlord. Personally I'd go for the Wolf Lord, but I guess it depends which traits you want?
I always go strategic(they are too good not to,unless there are zero ruins on the table. Even then) so traits don't matter much. It becomes a matter of being able to get an eternal warrior warlord versus the wolf lord(which I have upgraded to now that I don't have the troops).
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Leth wrote: Dont forget +1 attack as well as a chance for preferred enemy for an extra 6 points. A bit pricy but not bad.
True, the WGPL can get PE, but I was speaking more about the WGPA unit as a whole. They basically feel like buffed Bloodclaws with more choppy options the more I look at them. I don't know if it really makes them worth it, but I'm thinking it might be the best approach for them: not as Vet Grey Hunters but Vet Blood Claws.
ClockworkZion wrote: Has anyone tried out the Space Sled at all yet? I've been curious how it stacks up in a game.
I've never used chariots ever. People tell me when it is wrecked the rider dies. If that is the case the sled is terrible!
It wouldn't die as quickly if you toss a couple of shooting fodder Fenrisina wolves with Logan's chariot.. . Not to mention a pack of 15 running just in front of him towards the target >
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Bringing a pod full of WGPA seems like a pretty fun choice now. It was a blast in 5th (last time I played wolves). Bring 10, give a bundle combi weapons, give a bundle power weapons and create a moderately expensive high threat do your enemies back line. Place it right with some other pod units, or TWC/Bikes running up and it should be a blast.
ClockworkZion wrote: Has anyone tried out the Space Sled at all yet? I've been curious how it stacks up in a game.
I've never used chariots ever. People tell me when it is wrecked the rider dies. If that is the case the sled is terrible!
It wouldn't die as quickly if you toss a couple of shooting fodder Fenrisina wolves with Logan's chariot.. . Not to mention a pack of 15 running just in front of him towards the target >
ClockworkZion wrote: Has anyone tried out the Space Sled at all yet? I've been curious how it stacks up in a game.
I've never used chariots ever. People tell me when it is wrecked the rider dies. If that is the case the sled is terrible!
It wouldn't die as quickly if you toss a couple of shooting fodder Fenrisina wolves with Logan's chariot.. . Not to mention a pack of 15 running just in front of him towards the target >
ClockworkZion wrote: Has anyone tried out the Space Sled at all yet? I've been curious how it stacks up in a game.
I've never used chariots ever. People tell me when it is wrecked the rider dies. If that is the case the sled is terrible!
It wouldn't die as quickly if you toss a couple of shooting fodder Fenrisina wolves with Logan's chariot.. . Not to mention a pack of 15 running just in front of him towards the target >
Logan can't buy any Wolves.
True, but nothing stops the mobile Meat Shield.
Also true. I just wanted to point out that the effectively 7 wound Logan on a Chariot (4 wounds + 3 Hull Points) can't bump it to 9 (I wish he could take a couple on foot at least though). At least with EW he can help tank shots. Plus the chariot can't explode (since all pens are glances).
ClockworkZion wrote: Has anyone tried out the Space Sled at all yet? I've been curious how it stacks up in a game.
I've never used chariots ever. People tell me when it is wrecked the rider dies. If that is the case the sled is terrible!
It wouldn't die as quickly if you toss a couple of shooting fodder Fenrisina wolves with Logan's chariot.. . Not to mention a pack of 15 running just in front of him towards the target >
Logan can't buy any Wolves.
True, but nothing stops the mobile Meat Shield.
Also true. I just wanted to point out that the effectively 7 wound Logan on a Chariot (4 wounds + 3 Hull Points) can't bump it to 9 (I wish he could take a couple on foot at least though). At least with EW he can help tank shots. Plus the chariot can't explode (since all pens are glances).
Actually it is 6 wounds at taking Logan or Storm Rider to 0Woulds/Hull Points take him out, witch should take at least 12 time to achieve.
Also Remember you can take your 4 Free Attacks, a S7 Attack on I5 and then on I1 if you are free move 3" if you need to, to inflict some S8 goodness.
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. Not to mention a pack of 15 running just in front of him towards the target >