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As the title says, If there is a model holding the relic, can it be contested?

The relic is simply an objective, so yes it can be contested.

The relic is represented by an objective marker. Nowhere in the BRB does it say that it's an objective. It's a relic.

There are three ways to lose control of the relic:
1. Dropping it voluntarily
2. The carrying gets killed
3. Moving more than six inches during the movement phase

The rules literally state:
"A non-vehicle model in a scoring-unit can seize the Relic by moving into base contact during the movement phase - that model then automatically picks it up and the end of the phase. From that point, the Relic remains with the model until it is dropped, which can happen voluntarily, but happens automatically if the model is slain."

Once the relic has been seized these rules prevent you from seizing it. You can't make base contact with it since you need to stay more than one inch away from enemy models in the movement phase.

TL;DR
The Relic can't be contested as special rules apply in regards to seizing and losing control of it.

Yes, you can lose control of it. That has nothing to do, in rules, with contesting it.

It IS an objective in 7th, and CAN be contested.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It IS an objective in 7th, and CAN be contested.

Controlling the relic has special rules (have to get in base contact during the movement phase). These special rules do not include a possibility to contest it. If two scoring units are within three inches of it, nothing happens. It isn't controlled but it isn't contested either. The Relic is an objective which you interact with by making base contact in the movement phase. You can't interact with it in another fashion. Full stop.

That was the case in 6th, when it wasnt also an objective

It is, in 7th, an objective, that can additionally be moved by following certain requirements. Nothing within those removes that it is an objective

Full stop.

If you wish to disagree further, cite some rules.

According to the rules the Relic is represented by an Objective Marker, nowhere does it state that it acts as a regular objective and you can control it in the way you would control a normal objective marker. If you feel that this is the case I would love for you to cite a rule that says so, because in the earlier post I made I cited the rule stating how interaction with the relic is handled.

The rules I'd quote in favour of my interpretation:
Primary Objective
At the end of the game, the objective marker is worth 3 victory points to the en player that controls it.

Controlling the relic is governed by the rule I quoted in the above post.

How do you control the relic is if doesn't use objective rules?

I've just had a flick through and I can't find in the relic rules anything about a different way of controlling it? You can hold it ; 'Seizing the Relic' but nothing in there says you are controlling the relic if you have Seized it.

 RottenEmu wrote:
According to the rules the Relic is represented by an Objective Marker, nowhere does it state that it acts as a regular objective and you can control it in the way you would control a normal objective marker. If you feel that this is the case I would love for you to cite a rule that says so, because in the earlier post I made I cited the rule stating how interaction with the relic is handled.

The rules I'd quote in favour of my interpretation:
Primary Objective
At the end of the game, the objective marker is worth 3 victory points to the en player that controls it.

Controlling the relic is governed by the rule I quoted in the above post.

Cool, so you are conflating SEIZE and CONTROL? words mean something.

You showed how you seize, ie are able to move the objective. This does not override how you control the objectyive, and those rules include stopping units from controlling

Your concession is accepted.

I've always read it in a fashion that you 'Seize Control'. Which apperantly is not how it is written. So yes, you can contest the relic.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Your concession is accepted.

You don't have to be such a dick about it.

HIWPI: The relic is an important artifact that your army wants to take home. I feel you can only score it if it is safely secured by a person in said army. But there is no premise for that in the rules. So at the end of the game a scoring unit within 3 inches of the Relic scores it as normal for an Objective. Including the rules for contesting it.

Time to write some custom missions, I guess.

No, it was pointing out, twice that you are talking about something utterly different to the rules, and focussing on the wrong part. I even pointed out htat there was a specific change to 6th to make it a "normal" objective in terms of control / contest, but still have it able to be moved.

So.... theoretically:

Player A has seized the relic with a unit without Objective Secured. Player B moves a model (with OS) next to the model holding the relic. Game ends. Player B gets the VP?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Your concession is accepted.

You're not wrong, but you're acting like a dick when you say things like this. It's not productive.

 Green is Best! wrote:
So.... theoretically:

Player A has seized the relic with a unit without Objective Secured. Player B moves a model (with OS) next to the model holding the relic. Game ends. Player B gets the VP?

Yes, as it is an objective.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Your concession is accepted.

You're not wrong, but you're acting like a dick when you say things like this. It's not productive.

Yeah, it comes off as elitist and condescending.

 Green is Best! wrote:
So.... theoretically:

Player A has seized the relic with a unit without Objective Secured. Player B moves a model (with OS) next to the model holding the relic. Game ends. Player B gets the VP?

This seems like a strange by-product that isn't in the spirit of the game but the rules seem to dictate it. All this argument seems to be out of the spirit of the mission. If you can move it, why don't you treat it like any other objective instead of moving and making it complicated?


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7th Edition made it way too complicated by using different wording.

It is in the sprit, as they made an explicit change to the rules between 6th and 7th to make it a normal objective.

 Kriswall wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Your concession is accepted.

You're not wrong, but you're acting like a dick when you say things like this. It's not productive.

Yeah, it comes off as elitist and condescending.

Yeah, I'm not even part of this thread and that wasn't even directed at me, but it still left me with a frown on my face. :(

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As above. Saves cluttering up a solved thread as well.