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 cincydooley wrote:
Salt Lake City Shooting Yields, again, 0 results. Ferguson Shooting? 231.

Gee, I wonder if the huge riots in Ferguson might be a factor.

FoxNews are the biggest race baiters of all.

Every time they do a story about Obama it's just a plot to get the white people all worked up with the "black president does stuff that affect white people" media narrative.

It's despicable...

Edit: I hope the sarcasm is clear, as is the inted to point out that narrowing everything down to "every story about "person x did something to person Y and nothing at all has any relationship to what happened or why people responded a certain way" is a pretty obvious attempt to ignore what is actually happening.

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Salt Lake City Shooting Yields, again, 0 results. Ferguson Shooting? 231.

Gee, I wonder if the huge riots in Ferguson might be a factor.

Once they started after all the stories of a white cop shooting a black kid played a part in starting them.

Relapse wrote:

Once they started after all the stories of a white cop shooting a black kid played a part in starting them.

So you don't have an example of a story published prior to the riots?

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Salt Lake City Shooting Yields, again, 0 results. Ferguson Shooting? 231.

Gee, I wonder if the huge riots in Ferguson might be a factor.

Of course it factors in.

But that shouldn't equal ZERO on the Salt Lake shooting.

Oh,and there were 19 articles pre-riot AND Eric Holder had already commented on the shooting, PRE RIOT.

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Once they started after all the stories of a white cop shooting a black kid played a part in starting them.

So you don't have an example of a story published prior to the riots?

Here is the very first CNN story that a search of "Ferguson" reveals:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/10/justice/missouri-police-involved-shooting/index.html?iref=storysearch

Fatal police shooting in Missouri sparks protests

(CNN) -- Protests in Missouri around the death of an unarmed teen turned violent late Sunday.

A gas station was looted, and police called for additional units to back up officers already on the street, said Brian Schellman, spokesman with the St. Louis County Police Department.

etc etc etc

I tried to find the obvious race baiting of "white cop" and/or "black teen" but it didn't jump out at me.


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 cincydooley wrote:

Oh,and there were 19 articles pre-riot AND Eric Holder had already commented on the shooting, PRE RIOT.

CNN doesn't show any mention about Holder saying anything pre-riot other than the Justice Department saying "Holder is aware" when directly asked by the police. Which was done AFTER the riot.

 d-usa wrote:


CNN doesn't show any mention about Holder saying anything pre-riot other than the Justice Department saying "Holder is aware" when directly asked by the police. Which was done AFTER the riot.

Nope, you're right. I misread the opening quote in the article I was reading.

For what it's worth, searching CNN doesn't show a single article about Ferguson pre-protest and riots.

The MSNBC website is a piece of gak and I couldn't see a way to arrange results by date.

Searching Google News for the day of the shooting doesn't seem to show any non-local news that reported on the shooting pre-riots.

 cincydooley wrote:

Oh,and there were 19 articles pre-riot AND Eric Holder had already commented on the shooting, PRE RIOT.

Why can you not provide a link?

 cincydooley wrote:

But that shouldn't equal ZERO on the Salt Lake shooting.

That sentence makes no sense.

 dogma wrote:


Why can you not provide a link?

Isn't this the point where dogma usually comes in and says "it's not my job to google for you when you're the one that's asking for it?"

That sentence makes no sense.

Yes, it does.

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

But that shouldn't equal ZERO on the Salt Lake shooting.

That sentence makes no sense.

It really does... a NEWS site should be reporting on the news. Whether the SLC shooting is as big on the news as it could be is a whole other thing... When I was driving through SLC, they broke news of a bat gak crazy lady who, it was discovered, had been killing infants, and "storing" them in the garage... Next night, I was "home" (at my parents) in Oregon, and there was NOTHING on the national news about it.


I guess what I'm saying is, right or wrong, some things just don't make the national news headlines for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's race, sometimes it's location, sometimes it could be something else entirely.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

But that shouldn't equal ZERO on the Salt Lake shooting.

That sentence makes no sense.

It really does... a NEWS site should be reporting on the news. Whether the SLC shooting is as big on the news as it could be is a whole other thing... When I was driving through SLC, they broke news of a bat gak crazy lady who, it was discovered, had been killing infants, and "storing" them in the garage... Next night, I was "home" (at my parents) in Oregon, and there was NOTHING on the national news about it.


I guess what I'm saying is, right or wrong, some things just don't make the national news headlines for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's race, sometimes it's location, sometimes it could be something else entirely.

Well, in this case it appears that NEITHER shooting made any national news.

The protests after the shooting made the news.

And somehow the non-existing news prior to the protests racebaited the protests into existance.

 cincydooley wrote:

Isn't this the point where dogma usually comes in and says "it's not my job to google for you when you're the one that's asking for it?"

I've never said that. Please do not put words in my mouth.

Also, please provide a link.

 cincydooley wrote:

Yes, it does.

Explain to me how the relevant sentence makes sense.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

I guess what I'm saying is, right or wrong, some things just don't make the national news headlines for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's race, sometimes it's location, sometimes it could be something else entirely.

Obviously, that is the crux of the present dispute.

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Riots that seem to stem from a racial element of the shooting, of which the SLC shooting also has.......

No, it doesn't. That's a forced comparison made by people that don't understand how "race" works.

So what this proves...is that white people don't riot and loot at the drop of a hat because a black officer killed an unarmed white kid?

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Now the White House is sending representitives to the funeral:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/24/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

I'll be expecting them to send representitives to the funeral of the unarmed teen recently gunned down by the black cop here in Salt Lake

http://kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_13131.shtml

or the funeral of the police chief in Texas who was gunned down as he served a warrent for graphiti

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The President can't send reps to every funeral, and folks (especially his critics) are always going to say "why that , but not this" but this death has caused such national uproar and become the focus of so many issues even beyond the shooting, that he has to send someone.

So the solution is to cause more of an uproar when it happens.

OK, I'm off to loot burn & down my local Old Navy.

I've got my eyes on a Brooks Brothers. Daddy need some new suits. Time to protest me some injustice!

Is it just me or does it feel like the more one watches 24 news the less infomred one becomes. CNN had all Ferguson all the time ! Then reporters showing a convenience store messed up with the earthquake and more Fetguson. Fox was all ISIS then the same liquor store apparently. MSNBC, well they're just ranting in a closet.

Not having the BBC means I find I actually watch AL Jazeera the most to try to find actual you know NEWS. Again, I seem to be the only one.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

So what this proves...is that white people don't riot and loot at the drop of a hat because a black officer killed an unarmed white kid?

Oh, what a delightfully racist comment!


There have been a (disturbingly) large number of black people killed by white police officers, with no riots happening. There are several examples of that just in the last month.

Ferguson police has a history of racial profiling, misconducts and coverups, and it seems that the town's black community had pretty completely lost their trust in them. The shooting was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, thus the riots.

 Crimson wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

So what this proves...is that white people don't riot and loot at the drop of a hat because a black officer killed an unarmed white kid?

Oh, what a delightfully racist comment!

pfftt. People throw around accusations of racism on the internet so much it loses almost all meaning. My comment was little more than a statement of fact.

Peaceful protests are entirely justified.

Rioting and looting, targeting innocent business owners who had nothing to do with the shooting?

There have been a (disturbingly) large number of black people killed by white police officers, with no riots happening. There are several examples of that just in the last month.

Except that in this case it appears that the victim in question had just carried out a robbery and allegedly attacked the Officer who shot him.

If the black community is going to riot and loot businesses to protest over a shooting...then it appears they picked the wrong shooting to riot over.

Ferguson police has a history of racial profiling, misconducts and coverups, and it seems that the town's black community had pretty completely lost their trust in them. The shooting was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, thus the riots.

They picked the wrong straw it seems.


The officer was reported to have suffered injuries right? Has this been confirmed?

I think it's a testament to how inflated racial issues are in the US that two cases like Martin and Brown are the only things people can get so upset over. Like Zimmerman, I anticipate the Officer in this case will be exonerated or found not guilty if even brought to trial.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think it's a testament to how inflated racial issues are in the US that two cases like Martin and Brown are the only things people can get so upset over. Like Zimmerman, I anticipate the Officer in this case will be exonerated or found not guilty if even brought to trial.

Even if the cop is found guilty and given a life sentence, and the Ferguson PD is forced to implement all kinds of fixes to address everybody's issues, what are the odds that the looters, to celebrate their vindication, pay the small business owners for the stolen property and damages?

I suspect 'justice' would only work one way.

 cincydooley wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This whole "race baiting" thing is just a sad excuse to actually ignore why stuff happens....

While I agree, the disparity in the coverage is both appalling and shocking.

Like I said, I knew there'd be a pretty large gap. I couldn't believe MSNBC didn't have a single story.....

I can't speak to the TV network because I don't actually watch news on TV and haven't since I was like 13, but as far as the website goes, MSNBC had a site revamp a while back. It's no longer really a "news" site, and it's now a collection of opinion pieces more akin to Huffington Post than, say, CNN. I stopped reading it when they did that, but I wouldn't expect them to cover any single specific news story at all anymore and would not lump them in with CNN and Foxnews as I used to. They're simply no longer a news website.

Speaking of Dillon Taylor, though - the officer that shot him was wearing a body camera.

 Hordini wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
"Use least force possible" has no relation to "Shoot in the leg".
I'm calling Bull crap. No police force I have ever heard of trains for leg shots and has a policy that when an officer decides he/she must pull a trigger they should aim for the leg.

Germany

Do you have any source for this whatsoever? Because as far as I know this is not true.

German Policy is you get one warning shot then shoot to wound unless you are in immediate danger, more immediate than a guy with a knife slowly walking towards you at least

http://www.thewire.com/global/2012/05/german-police-used-only-85-bullets-against-people-2011/52162/

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Are we still pretending this is all about a single isolated case of "somebody shot somebody and they weren't the same color" and was not influenced by anything else?

No... but, if you wanted "justice" for Brown...

So you are pretending this is about one isolated case without any relationship to anything else.

So, are you saying you've already made up your mind without hearing all the facts?

Thought the LEO agency in Ferguson did not release the race of the officer that did the shooting but mention they only have three black officers....

 Jihadin wrote:
Thought the LEO agency in Ferguson did not release the race of the officer that did the shooting but mention they only have three black officers....

gak. His name, age, race, address, and recent personal history has all been released.

None of that was released when it started. It help instigated it. Even the threat by a Hacker organization to release the pertinent info on the officer (even though they screwed the pooch on that) they still did not release the info

 Ouze wrote:


Speaking of Dillon Taylor, though - the officer that shot him was wearing a body camera.

This will probably turn out to be a good thing for the officer.

Yeah, I mean, stupid is as stupid does and all, but I have to think that a cop is substantially more likely to only use force when there is no other choice if he knows it's being videotaped.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Riots that seem to stem from a racial element of the shooting, of which the SLC shooting also has.......

No, it doesn't. That's a forced comparison made by people that don't understand how "race" works.

So what this proves...is that white people don't riot and loot at the drop of a hat because a black officer killed an unarmed white kid?

Maybe because there is a greater chance of the black officer being punished?

Whereas the white officers will walk away scot free and nothing will change. Gee, I wonder why the communities who this affects the most are angry....

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Riots that seem to stem from a racial element of the shooting, of which the SLC shooting also has.......

No, it doesn't. That's a forced comparison made by people that don't understand how "race" works.

So what this proves...is that white people don't riot and loot at the drop of a hat because a black officer killed an unarmed white kid?

Maybe because there is a greater chance of the black officer being punished?

Whereas the white officers will walk away scot free and nothing will change. Gee, I wonder why the communities who this affects the most are angry....

Do you think either one deserves punishment if they were shown to be in the right? Will you turn around and congratulate them on this thread for being willing to make a tough choice at that point?

 Ouze wrote:
Yeah, I mean, stupid is as stupid does and all, but I have to think that a cop is substantially more likely to only use force when there is no other choice if he knows it's being videotaped.

If this were true, there would be a LOT more incidents with deadly force being used by police. The trouble I have with your statement is that it appears to imply that cops are essentially loose cannons ready to blast at any moment for any reason with only the thread of disciplinary action holding them back. Most police are just hard working people who would honestly love to be that cop who goes his entire career without ever having to draw his weapon. They want to protect people from the worst of society, not gun down anyone in a hoodie like they're playing CoD2 or whatever.