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sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

Relapse wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

The police are at fault. They failed to serve and protect Brown, they failed to serve and protect the community.

so in your country, the idea is for cops to execute someone first, than try to find a reason to justify it. I forget was the cops name 'Judge Dread? Public execution for a petty crime, That's pretty harsh.

Brown's being treated like a hero? really? That's why he was tested for drugs, and accused of a crime he may not even have committed. Hero? No. Unarmed victim? yes

Let's hear from one of those looted store owners:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/16/ferguson-looting_n_5684465.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

The police are at fault. They failed to serve and protect Brown, they failed to serve and protect the community.

Way to be judgemental...

No one knows that yet.

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

The police are at fault. They failed to serve and protect Brown, they failed to serve and protect the community.

Way to be judgemental...

No one knows that yet.

Well a resignation and a firing are a good indication of it. I'd be willing to bet the guy who resigned knows they are at fault.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

The police are at fault. They failed to serve and protect Brown, they failed to serve and protect the community.

Way to be judgemental...

No one knows that yet.

Well a resignation and a firing are a good indication of it. I'd be willing to bet the guy who resigned knows they are at fault.

So... you're damning the whole force by some idiot's actions?

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

The police are at fault. They failed to serve and protect Brown, they failed to serve and protect the community.

Way to be judgemental...

No one knows that yet.

Well a resignation and a firing are a good indication of it. I'd be willing to bet the guy who resigned knows they are at fault.

So... you're damning the whole force by some idiot's actions?

And the idiots that arrested a innocent man, beat him while he was restrained, then arrested him for bleeding on their uniforms. Which the cops then committed purgery on at court.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Relapse wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
There is no reason not to indict either. indict him, let things cool down while all the evidence is gathered, then if evidence is found take him to court. If not, they have all sorts of other options they can use. Anything between leave him where he is, or transfer him somewhere else.

and in the mean time, stop executing people and use some of their non-lethal devices.

Defuse the situation now instead of letting it drag on and get worse.

With all the grandstanding comments from politicians damning the police and the involved officer, how are they defusing the situation? How is treating Brown like a hero instead of what he really was defusing the situation?
Why is no politician trying to comfort the store owner he bullied and robbed, or making speeches supporting the store owners whose businesses were looted and destroyed?
If it has been said or done the news carriers haven't covered it very well since they are too busy lionizing Brown.

The police are at fault. They failed to serve and protect Brown, they failed to serve and protect the community.

so in your country, the idea is for cops to execute someone first, than try to find a reason to justify it. I forget was the cops name 'Judge Dread? Public execution for a petty crime, That's pretty harsh.

Brown's being treated like a hero? really? That's why he was tested for drugs, and accused of a crime he may not even have committed. Hero? No. Unarmed victim? yes

Let's hear from one of those looted store owners:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/16/ferguson-looting_n_5684465.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

The white house sending three reps to his funeral while it ignores the funeral of a general, a 30 year veteran killed in the line of duty, other politicians speaking about what a prince Brown was and how it was too bad he got nipped in the bloom of youth and people angry about the video showing him shoving around an old man less then half his size as he is caught in the act of theft. Yeah, I think he's being treated as a hero. I believe it's standard procedure for someone killed by police to be checked for drugs use, but someone on these boards who works with law enforcement can tell us for sure.

I'm glad for that shop owner that the looters were so restrained at his location because they burned down at least one business that I know of and really had a good time damaging and stripping others out.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nXz4a0-CkKI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYl82snKEnY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcNjIlUNJo

I think that the one good thing to come out of this is the fact that the protestors, not to be confused with looters, are trying to help the store owners. We aren't hearing anything for the store owners from the politicians that I've read about, though, no condolances, nothing, unless it's buried somewhere.

What General was that? That's just seems wrong, unless the family asked for them not to come.

But not being ferguson we're never going to get the whole story, they local government could be doing stuff to help those businesses that were looted, but it just wouldn't make the national news.

Some other good to come from this tragedy is in Oklahoma city:
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-police-draw-lessons-from-events-in-ferguson-mo./article/5337242

maybe other cities will also reflect on this issue and take steps to prevent future tragedies.

Relapse wrote:

I put this here since your attitude seems to reflect the senator and some of the people in Ferguson. Punish the suspect before the trial or at best run him into one with a predetermined outcome.

You'll note I never said the jury was bad for letting the relevant person go, and that we were talking about a situation entirely distinct from the one in Ferguson; which is further irrelevant to my criticism of your comment.

Here you go, sir:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/mourners-gathering-at-arlington-cemetery-for-burial-of-general-killed-in-afghanistan/2014/08/14/a3430d96-2321-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

More than likely, you are correct about the local politicians, but I meant national level types.
I'd like to think you are right about reflection.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Well a resignation and a firing are a good indication of it. I'd be willing to bet the guy who resigned knows they are at fault.

That's not a fair claim. People often resign, or are fired, for the simple reason that the public wants to see some form of state response.

The guy who was fired was the "I'm going to KILL YOU!!!!" guy right?

Completely separate from the actual shooting investigation. You're jumping to conclusions, Lynchy.

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

I put this here since your attitude seems to reflect the senator and some of the people in Ferguson. Punish the suspect before the trial or at best run him into one with a predetermined outcome.

You'll note I never said the jury was bad for letting the relevant person go, and that we were talking about a situation entirely distinct from the one in Ferguson; which is further irrelevant to my criticism of your comment.

Yes, actually you did. You just appeared to be gunning for an argument in the Feguson thread. I'll tell you straight up, I look at you as an extremely intelligent person, but sometimes the way you split hairs, which I suspect is your stategy of debate, leaves me shaking my head.

Relapse wrote:

Yes, actually you did. You just appeared to be gunning for an argument in the Feguson thread. I'll tell you straight up, I look at you as an extremely intelligent person, but sometimes the way you split hairs, which I suspect is your stategy of debate, leaves me shaking my head.

It isn't so much a strategy as compulsive emphasis on precision.

Anyway, I said that the jury was bad in response to your comment that it wanted to give the guy a medal. But again, this is not relevant to my initial criticism of your post, or anything else in this thread.

You called them irresponsible to start with. Taken in context with that, your other remarks point to the conclusion you think they should have convicted him.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The guy who was fired was the "I'm going to KILL YOU!!!!" guy right?

Completely separate from the actual shooting investigation. You're jumping to conclusions, Lynchy.

No jumping, it's part of the reason I state they failed to protect and serve the community.

And he was the one that resigned.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The guy who was fired was the "I'm going to KILL YOU!!!!" guy right?

Completely separate from the actual shooting investigation. You're jumping to conclusions, Lynchy.

No jumping, it's part of the reason I state they failed to protect and serve the community.

And he was the one that resigned.

It is becoming apparent that this police force needs to be examined, either because of ill trained and disciplined officers inhabiting it, or less stable mental types.

Relapse wrote:
You called them irresponsible to start with. Taken in context with that, your other remarks point to the conclusion you think they should have convicted him.

I think the article painted the jury as less than impartial. Whether or not the guy should have been convicted, I'm not sure; as I don't have enough information. I do think the guy was guilty of manslaughter, but whether or not he could be charged with that and murder is a jurisdictional matter which I am not familiar with.

But anyway, this is way OT, as I have repeatedly stated.

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:
You called them irresponsible to start with. Taken in context with that, your other remarks point to the conclusion you think they should have convicted him.

I think the article painted the jury as less than impartial. Whether or not the guy should have been convicted, I'm not sure; as I don't have enough information. I do think the guy was guilty of manslaughter, but whether or not he could be charged with that and murder is a jurisdictional matter which I am not familiar with.

But anyway, this is way OT, as I have repeatedly stated.

Since you flat out stated he got away with murder, I would agree you believed he was guilty, evidence and jury be damned. I also agree this is a topic to be discussed elsewhere.

I feel the need to let you know, that in spite of the sometimes heated nature of our disagreements, I do have a huge amount of respect for you and think there are more than a few times you have justly corrected me.

It's the only way to be sure.

And to be fair.

Relapse wrote:

The white house sending three reps to his funeral while it ignores the funeral of a general, a 30 year veteran killed in the line of duty.

If by "ignored" you mean Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel attended, then I guess you have a point.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Relapse wrote:

The white house sending three reps to his funeral while it ignores the funeral of a general, a 30 year veteran killed in the line of duty.

If by "ignored" you mean Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel attended, then I guess you have a point.

Yeah, someone posted this on my facebook. The SecDef and Army Chief of Staff were there.
And the white house reps are apparently from the
http://www.whitehouse.gov/my-brothers-keeper
program, which certainly seems to fit within their purview.

 Bromsy wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Relapse wrote:

The white house sending three reps to his funeral while it ignores the funeral of a general, a 30 year veteran killed in the line of duty.

If by "ignored" you mean Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel attended, then I guess you have a point.

Yeah, someone posted this on my facebook. The SecDef and Army Chief of Staff were there.
And the white house reps are apparently from the
http://www.whitehouse.gov/my-brothers-keeper
program, which certainly seems to fit within their purview.

Lesson for me to check my sources better.

Relapse wrote:

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Let's just cut to the chase and have someone get a rope, eh?

Really? Wow.

Why wow?

You all make me laugh at times and at other times question....nvm

Wild West hanging and Lynching....for those who went there....I now have to question if Toby Keith is a racist

 Jihadin wrote:

Wild West hanging and Lynching....for those who went there....I now have to question if Toby Keith is a racist

The context is completely different.

 dogma wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Wild West hanging and Lynching....for those who went there....I now have to question if Toby Keith is a racist

The context is completely different.

Let's part like gentlemen from this subject taking from this the lesson that it means something different to many of us in the west as opposed to the east, or at least what the first thought that comes to mind for us is.

I live in the middle, but sure.

Eric Holder announces Civil Rights investigation of Ferguson/STL County police force:



Ooooookay.

Just for fun:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo/

*sigh*

Cracked should be on CNN's lineup.