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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So far, all we know he did was get in an argument and push a shopkeeper because he didn't have enough money.

Looks like some revisionism or at the least, playing down of the incident on your part. From what the video shows, he shoved the much smaller, older person out of the way and then advanced on him in a threatening manner just before he took stuff out of the store without paying. I believe that's called a "strong arm robbery".

Video of the incident:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2z5-H8NSGA

The store did not report any robbery. I'm assuming that means there wasn't one?

I guess according to you, shoving around store clerks and threatening them before removing items from the store constitutes payment. The clerk probably didn't report the robbery because he wvas scared of Brown and his friends. Considering the aftermath, it's not hard to understand why he probably didn't say anything.

BTW, Brown's buddy seems to admit it was a robbery if seeing the act played out in front of your eyes wasn't enough:


http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/

Aside from the robbery he commited, shoving and threating a tiny old man shows the kind of person Brown was capable of being shortly before he was shot.

 cincydooley wrote:

"Brown's attorney said that the new details won't make much of a difference"

Is this guy for real?

That's really fething rich.

No, because that isn't what the attorney said. If it were, the relevant journalist would have directly quoted him, much as he did regarding things the attorney actually did say.

 dogma wrote:


No, because that isn't what the attorney said. If it were, the relevant journalist would have directly quoted him, much as he did regarding things the attorney actually did say.

Well, no.

He didn't directly quote him because he's either summarizing or paraphrasing.

Believe it or not, a news story is never comprised of quotations alone.

Relapse wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So far, all we know he did was get in an argument and push a shopkeeper because he didn't have enough money.

Looks like some revisionism or at the least, playing down of the incident on your part. From what the video shows, he shoved the much smaller, older person out of the way and then advanced on him in a threatening manner just before he took stuff out of the store without paying. I believe that's called a "strong arm robbery".

Video of the incident:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2z5-H8NSGA

The store did not report any robbery. I'm assuming that means there wasn't one?

I guess according to you, shoving around store clerks and threatening them before removing items from the store constitutes payment. The clerk probably didn't report the robbery because he wvas scared of Brown and his friends. Considering the aftermath, it's not hard to understand why he probably didn't say anything.

BTW, Brown's buddy seems to admit it was a robbery if seeing the act played out in front of your eyes wasn't enough:


http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/

Aside from the robbery he commited, shoving and threating a tiny old man shows the kind of person Brown was capable of being shortly before he was shot.

AFAIK, he bought some items and got in a confrentation with the clerk because he didn't have enough money for all of it. There was a report on it a while ago, I'll have to go find it. I don't know for sure, and am just putting out my confusion on the matter because of different conflicting reports in a perfectly reasonable tone. There is no reason to be snippy about it.

Sorry about the snippy tone, you didn't deserve that.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

AFAIK, he bought some items and got in a confrentation with the clerk because he didn't have enough money for all of it.

When you take it anyway that's still theft.

When you put your hands on someone, that's still assault.

 cincydooley wrote:

Well, no.

He didn't directly quote him because he's either summarizing or paraphrasing.

Believe it or not, a news story is never comprised of quotations alone.

I am aware, but in this case the summary does not follow from the facts presented in support of, something especially egregious that the entire article is essentially just a cut-down version of an NYT article.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

AFAIK, he bought some items and got in a confrentation with the clerk because he didn't have enough money for all of it.

When you take it anyway that's still theft.

When you put your hands on someone, that's still assault.

There was this one report that he didn't actually steal anything, and only took what he bought. I can't find it now, so I assume it has been taken back.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


There was this one report that he didn't actually steal anything, and only took what he bought. I can't find it now, so I assume it has been taken back.

Was it the same article that said the other one had sandwich

What? I'm confused.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
What? I'm confused.

Reference to the more recent "kid" getting shot. Who's mom said he only had a sandwich

Ah.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

AFAIK, he bought some items and got in a confrentation with the clerk because he didn't have enough money for all of it.

When you take it anyway that's still theft.

When you put your hands on someone, that's still assault.

There was this one report that he didn't actually steal anything, and only took what he bought. I can't find it now, so I assume it has been taken back.

No... Brown was reported in the robbery:
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/500279501369397248

That's probably why it was taken back.

Curious that they managed to write up a report on the robbery on the day but it took how long to write the shooting incident report?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Curious that they managed to write up a report on the robbery on the day but it took how long to write the shooting incident report?

I would imagine that you'd want to take some time to properly investigate and write up an incident involving a fatality as opposed to a strong arm robbery over a couple dollars.

I suspect a 2 minute strong arm robbery caught on 3 cameras makes for pretty easy report writing opposed to a shooting incident resulting in a fatality not caught on camera where published witness accounts conflicted and forensic evidence needed to be collected and analyzed and so on...

Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

 d-usa wrote:
Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

No, they haven't, probably because they don't want to risk influencing juries. And with the FBI as the lead, a final report may not even be done yet.

 CptJake wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

No, they haven't, probably because they don't want to risk influencing juries.

How nice of them, especially since they already released the other report that could influence juries...

 d-usa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

No, they haven't, probably because they don't want to risk influencing juries.

How nice of them, especially since they already released the other report that could influence juries...

Well Browns attorney keeps telling us theyre unrelated so it shouldn't matter, right?

Wow, This is still going on? I thought the protests died.
I asked several people around the dorm and they ALL think they should quiet down and let justice take its course.
When Liberals at UCSC think you are too radical, tone it down

 d-usa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

No, they haven't, probably because they don't want to risk influencing juries.

How nice of them, especially since they already released the other report that could influence juries...

I suspect they won't try to prosecute Brown for the robbery.

 CptJake wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

No, they haven't, probably because they don't want to risk influencing juries.

How nice of them, especially since they already released the other report that could influence juries...

I suspect they won't try to prosecute Brown for the robbery.

Is either one of us going to pretend that that's the point?


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Interesting:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/whites-riot-over-pumpkins-in-nh-and-twitter-turns-it-into-epic-lesson-about-ferguson/

 d-usa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Have they actually ever released a report on the shooting yet? The only thing I remember seeing was a blank incident report.

No, they haven't, probably because they don't want to risk influencing juries.

How nice of them, especially since they already released the other report that could influence juries...

And that was because several reporters in the area requested that report to be made public via state's sunshine law.

I guess the Police could not release it because... hey... it works well for AG Holder.

Is that the same FIO requests that didn't actually exist for the video?

 d-usa wrote:
Is that the same FIO requests that didn't actually exist for the video?

No... there were several FIO request. I know the local TV station (kmov cbs) and The Post Dispatch submitted them.

I'll have to find the information, but there were a gak ton of FIO requests... mostly over the juvenile records it seems.

EDIT: fwiw... I know they've stated that if given a choice, they wouldn't of released that robbery information, but seriously doubt that they would've of been able to "sit" on it for any lengthy time.

Think it was better that the video release of Brown in the local store came out when it did. If had came out recently now there be more of a uproar

 d-usa wrote:



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Interesting:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/whites-riot-over-pumpkins-in-nh-and-twitter-turns-it-into-epic-lesson-about-ferguson/

Interesting indeed. No scumbag rioters were shot in NH, either, just arrested, like in Ferguson. What's the point of this post?

Relapse wrote:

 d-usa wrote:



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Interesting:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/whites-riot-over-pumpkins-in-nh-and-twitter-turns-it-into-epic-lesson-about-ferguson/

Interesting indeed. No scumbag rioters were shot in NH, either, just arrested, like in Ferguson. What's the point of this post?

There's a "keyword" your missing there